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I go to Loewe menswear because I am a man 🤣

Tod's shoes must be good, Prada's are.
Thanks for the advice 😉
 
honestly Hermes misses what The Row has in sense of more relaxed non logo luxury estetic

i like the colors and leather and the quality you can find at Hermes but it's hard to find grown up luxury like the Row has without a logo or horse or something branded.

past there was a balance of wimsical and branded versus hard core luxury simple elegance at Hermes now its kind of loud luxury

I think it depends on your local Hermes store - each one of them select their own stocks. Tons of well balanced offerings in NYC and Paris.

I do not think you can compare the two - Hermes provides a much wider and deeper breathes of offerings for clients of various lifestyles, whereas the Row’s vision is much more singular (i.e., ladies who lounge and enjoy looking at potteries).
 
I think it depends on your local Hermes store - each one of them select their own stocks. Tons of well balanced offerings in NYC and Paris.

I do not think you can compare the two - Hermes provides a much wider and deeper breaths of offerings for clients of various lifestyles, whereas the Row’s vision is much more singular (i.e., ladies who lounge and enjoy looking at potteries).
i know i travel allot i see more regions even airport stores i check out if i have time , i have even a friend that is store manager in apac and know of the buying needs for regions and i still hold this observation it's very branded hermes more than ever .....h´s or other house symbols are interwoven on everything in a visible way. its very cartoony luxury

there was no comparison for me, it was about one could have more of what the other is offering as they did in the past that's all, i still love and shop at Hermes but its a task to have thing without some sort of funny logo or design.

i never bought The Row yet ! i tried but i have already other classic brands that give me what i would buy at The Row for less coins for now.

i have many friends that do wear the row male and female i do enjoy seeing people in it more than hermes RTW for everyday life, as classic and boring teh row can be people then to wearing or put more effort top effortless elegant and modern whereas hermes wearing folks are more on the stuffy side and then to be middle of the road

of course both brands have the gallery ladies and lunch ladies lets not pretend that rich people don't have uniform lives and tribes .
 
i know i travel allot i see more regions even airport stores i check out if i have time , i have even a friend that is store manager in apac and know of the buying needs for regions and i still hold this observation it's very branded hermes more than ever .....h´s or other house symbols are interwoven on everything in a visible way. its very cartoony luxury

there was no comparison for me, it was about one could have more of what the other is offering as they did in the past that's all, i still love and shop at Hermes but its a task to have thing without some sort of funny logo or design.

i never bought The Row yet ! i tried but i have already other classic brands that give me what i would buy at The Row for less coins for now.

i have many friends that do wear the row male and female i do enjoy seeing people in it more than hermes RTW for everyday life, as classic and boring teh row can be people then to wearing or put more effort top effortless elegant and modern whereas hermes wearing folks are more on the stuffy side and then to be middle of the road

of course both brands have the gallery ladies and lunch ladies lets not pretend that rich people don't have uniform lives and tribes .
I do like Hermes clothes and perhaps the whole Hermes universe, the whole lifestyle, the French sensibilities but some lines or designs are being over used so much it now becomes the equivalent of bad taste, like the Avalon cushions... but other than that, yes, Hermes is nice.

I think if someone can spin some pieces of the Hermes clothings, with `funny` logos or not, mix and match it with their own styles from other brands, say something from Ann Demeulemeester (the actual designer`s design, not the current one), it can look pretty stylish, instead of looking too serious or frumpy.
Think the problem is, the people who regularly shops at Hermes tend to be the very wealthy who dont want to think too much about styling on a day to day basis cos they are simply not interested or have no time for that sort of thing unfortunately...
 
i know i travel allot i see more regions even airport stores i check out if i have time , i have even a friend that is store manager in apac and know of the buying needs for regions and i still hold this observation it's very branded hermes more than ever .....h´s or other house symbols are interwoven on everything in a visible way. its very cartoony luxury

there was no comparison for me, it was about one could have more of what the other is offering as they did in the past that's all, i still love and shop at Hermes but its a task to have thing without some sort of funny logo or design.

i never bought The Row yet ! i tried but i have already other classic brands that give me what i would buy at The Row for less coins for now.

i have many friends that do wear the row male and female i do enjoy seeing people in it more than hermes RTW for everyday life, as classic and boring teh row can be people then to wearing or put more effort top effortless elegant and modern whereas hermes wearing folks are more on the stuffy side and then to be middle of the road

of course both brands have the gallery ladies and lunch ladies lets not pretend that rich people don't have uniform lives and tribes .
i dont know what store you have been going to but i don't see any of the logos in their rtw here (specifically menswear). Atleast the racks i get. Its usually some abstract leather work prints on t shirts, maybe the tiniest of H that you cant even recognize on polos. And ofcourse the leather outerwears/evening wears have no logos at all. I never got the logomania in their rtw and they have kept it quite free of it while keeping the prices not absurd.

I cant with their bags though
 
Think the problem is, the people who regularly shops at Hermes tend to be the very wealthy who dont want to think too much about styling on a day to day basis cos they are simply not interested or have no time for that sort of thing unfortunately...
I don’t think that Hermes RTW is for the super wealthy. Hermes RTW is classic and bourgeois and a very French kind of bourgeois sensibility. And it’s French, not Parisian.
I think The Row is for the people who are wealthy or who wants to display wealth and don’t want to think about styling or things like that.

In France at least, Hermes has such a « trust contract » with people. You can do no wrong with Hermes. That’s why their pricing is not excessive in RTW. For me the testament of the brand is that I still see grandmothers from time to time in stores looking for a cachemire sweater or a carré. They haven’t outpriced themselves like Chanel for example.
 
I don’t think that Hermes RTW is for the super wealthy. Hermes RTW is classic and bourgeois and a very French kind of bourgeois sensibility. And it’s French, not Parisian.
I think The Row is for the people who are wealthy or who wants to display wealth and don’t want to think about styling or things like that.

In France at least, Hermes has such a « trust contract » with people. You can do no wrong with Hermes. That’s why their pricing is not excessive in RTW. For me the testament of the brand is that I still see grandmothers from time to time in stores looking for a cachemire sweater or a carré. They haven’t outpriced themselves like Chanel for example.
for me people in the row are very into styling and curating their live , and the don't show the logo on clothes but they know people that know recognize it and will kindly remind you the swetar is the row at dinner lol.....
 
In France at least, Hermes has such a « trust contract » with people. You can do no wrong with Hermes. That’s why their pricing is not excessive in RTW. For me the testament of the brand is that I still see grandmothers from time to time in stores looking for a cachemire sweater or a carré. They haven’t outpriced themselves like Chanel for example.
I actually really like this idea, there is something about having a `conscience` about it.
 
for me people in the row are very into styling and curating their live , and the don't show the logo on clothes but they know people that know recognize it and will kindly remind you the swetar is the row at dinner lol.....
In theory but in practice, tbh, I see people trying to fit the Quiet luxury trend.
But I will give you that because I don’t like the work of Nadege and in reality, even if women are drooling over the Birkin/Kelly/Constance/Picotin, despite the reasonable price point, Hermes is not the brand where people go when they want those kind of classics they can style…When it should be.

I have a few pieces from the Gaultier years and while I will admit that I bought them for pure snobism, those pieces are 15+ years old and I can still style them today because the classic, timeless approach of the clothes was there even with the themes. And by watching Gaultier for Hermes shows, I realized why they were better than his own brand and what Nadege and also Lemaire was doing: there was a purity in the cut, no unnecessary details or weird cut.
 
Just checked out all the photos that are on the website and on ig and I want to say - without the bias of knowing this is a superb and niche brand - that their approach to fashion is applaudable. there's a signature to everything they do, and I really respect that they stick to it without jumping around. there's something sacred in their approach
 
Over the past few seasons, I can’t help but wonder if fashion media and The Row are in cahoots. When the design duo Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen began banishing phones at their show, the industry received it as a radical act, that something earthy and intellectual was taking place, no matter that the brand is favored by wives and daughters of some of the most obscenely wealthy men in America (a selection of whom are the designers’ friends), celebrities, and influencers. Well to-do women often pay others to stand in line for them at their sample sales. At best, it is a testament to the current insular and homogeneous state of fashion media.

Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen are in a possession of sizable archive of pieces by some of the greatest designers in the fashion industry: Martin Margiela, Yohji Yamamoto, Azzedine Alaïa, to name a few. Over the past few years they have leaned heavily on these archives, and have referenced, perhaps too liberally, without citing their sources. More recently, their collections, and pardon my French, seem to take the piss out of everyone, mediocre designs and classic remakes with a massive price tag. Some may argue one is paying for The Row’s quality. You ought to reevaluate your understanding and appreciation of quality if that’s the case.
Substack: Tasnim
 

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Twin Peaks​

The Row defined the pandemic-adjacent era of TikTok- and ‘Succession’-fueled “quiet luxury.” Now, with the trend moving on and a wholesale strategy that’s reliant on beleaguered department stores, the Olsens are facing their next challenge.
Mary-Kate Olsen and Ashley Olsen

A confluence of factors transformed The Row into the hottest fashion brand of the pandemic: The Olsens’ obsession with refining and modernizing simple concepts—the Teva sandal, the banana-shaped bag, mid-rise jeans—offered consumers a reason to spend at a time when there wasn’t competition. Photo: Sansho Scott/BFA.com
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Lauren Sherman
May 12, 2025
Last week, LVMH North America C.E.O. Anish Melwani made an off-hand comment at Milken, the very private equity-friendly conference in Los Angeles, about his distaste for the term “quiet luxury”—a phrase that I find deeply unsophisticated and a little pathetic. The descriptor was “pretty annoying,” Melwani confessed, before expressing hope that the moment, instigated by TikTok and Succession, had passed through the culture.
Melwani, of course, was talking his own book. Even if LVMH-owned cashmere mill Loro Piana benefited handsomely from its if-you-know-you-know placements in Succession, Melwani needs to sell more bags with logos and Murakami cherry blossoms—designs that are antithetical to the notion of so-called quiet luxury. But nevertheless, I’d venture to guess that Ashley and Mary-Kate Olsen, the founders of The Row, feel similarly, although I hope they haven’t spent too much time thinking about it. If they did, they might find that they are, in many ways, ground zero for the idea.
As the pandemic set in, The Row seemed particularly exposed. The company had just lost millions of dollars via the liquidation of Barneys New York, and likely millions more when the Neiman Marcus Group, which also owned Bergdorf Goodman, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in May 2020. Unlike most of their competitors in Europe, The Row was uniquely reliant on the U.S. market, and U.S. department stores in particular. There were layoffs, and discussions about closing down certain parts of the operation. (I heard about various scenarios that included shutting the just-launched men’s business or paring back to be accessories-only.)
In the end, the Olsens stayed the course, and were rewarded handsomely. While the pandemic wore on, as unspent cash accumulated and many people were tethered to a remote and domestic existence, sales of certain apparel skyrocketed. Fashion brands with soft-clothes programs disproportionately benefited from the boost. And while The Row was selling sweatpants that passed the four-figure mark (the cashmere-cotton blend version currently retails for $1,950), the company saw a bump—a big one.
A confluence of factors transformed The Row into the hottest fashion brand of the pandemic. The Olsens’ obsession with refining and modernizing simple concepts—the Teva sandal, the banana-shaped bag, mid-rise jeans—offered consumers a reason to spend at a time when there wasn’t competition. Sure, the prices were the sort that you’d hide from your mother (no matter how many boards she served on), but the cost-per-wear of those back-seam sweaters helped justify the purchase.
Meanwhile, the Olsens developed new categories and expanded distribution. The Row’s handbag business also grew as Big Luxury’s designs were growing stale. Brands like The Row and (LVMH-owned) Loewe, which turned out unique designs, became favorites for customers who wanted to signal that they were more sophisticated than the average luxury customer. And then the Margeaux—one of the market’s many riffs on the Hermès Bolide—started selling out. Last fall, by the time that The Row raised capital from Mousse Partners (the Wertheimer family office), Téthys (the Bettencourt-Meyers family office), Imaginary Ventures (Natalie Massenet and Nick Brown’s venture shop), and Saint Dominique Capital (Lauren Santo Domingo’s fund) at a $1 billion valuation, the company was on an unprecedented growth trajectory, fueled by handbag sales but also demand in Asia. Overall annual sales were still under $500 million, probably significantly less, but The Row had become a go-to for a certain consumer.
The Row’s growth story, in some ways, was more of a fashion accident—a brand that fought hard not to be the trend, and then became the trend, anyway. And now that trend has passed, as Melwani acknowledged at Milken, and the aesthetic that The Row articulated is on the way out. How will the Olsens, with their unicorn valuation, navigate the change?

The Olsens’ Dilemma​

Like many fashion executives, the Olsens are once again facing the realities of the changing market: tariffs and customer fears, yes, but especially department store challenges. The Row, after all, is likely one of the most exposed luxury brands within the Saks Global network. I’m told the team has met directly with Saks C.E.O. Marc Metrick about the matter and negotiated favorable terms, but they do not operate on a consignment model, which means there’s a risk of losing millions if Saks Global were to default. And it’s not just Saks Global: Other retailers, like Montreal-based Ssense, are facing challenges right now because of tariffs.
However, these are all things that will pass, and The Row has dozens of growth levers to pull. There’s the opportunity in Asia and retail expansion, even though the brand is so particular about real estate. (Why there isn’t a location in lower Manhattan, for instance, beats me.) But let’s just assume that severely limiting retail is a good long-term choice, one that’s A-OK with The Row’s investors—family offices and a uniquely positioned venture capital firm, all of which appear focused on the long-term potential.
Every brand that benefited from the pandemic-fueled minimalist movement will need to course correct… at least a little. (For a searing evisceration of the look, I encourage you to watch the “Forever 31” Saturday Night Live skit.) But there is a subset of consumers who will always seek simplicity, even if the definition of “simple” is changing. Right now, nobody wants to wear a sack dress. Perhaps the Olsens’ relocation of much of their process to Paris—the center of the fashion world—will help them adjust while still playing in tune with the culture.
But they do need to change. On a recent trip to Paris, I stopped by the newly refreshed Galeries Lafayette on Boulevard Haussmann to see the just-opened Phoebe Philo shop-in-shop, where I bought a suit. Philo, her generation’s most influential designer—and the real reason everyone owns an oatmeal-colored sweater—is developing a new form of minimalism. (Far more experimental, with a much harder edge.) The same week P.P.’s blood-red-carpeted store opened, The Row’s gentler, blonde-wood shop-in-shop turned on the lights just across the aisle. I walked by, admiring a red-and-navy checked shirt, but didn’t even stop to touch it.
 

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