Vanity Fair June 2015: Caitlyn Jenner by Annie Leibovitz

[Creative]

It was made for me as much as for the rest. I have nothing against it at all. I was never bothered by the Kardashians. I just couldn't care less about them.

What it sophocating is people talking about how huge it is for the trasgenders in general that a particular man is transforming into a woman and that the eic of a gossip magazine decided to give her the cover. And more when that person is from a reality show...

This is all perfect from a "gossip" point of view, but when people start talking like if this was going to change Humanity... I start rolling my eyes. Point.

 

[lemeray]

No one said it was going to change humanity. But it's a BIG step that are necessary to evolve and break barriers.

Just think of all the gay celebrities or people of colour who had to fight the same steps to be accepted into society...

And Bruce isn't just from a reality show He was a gold medal winning Olympian.

 

[A.D.C.]

And Bruce isn't just from a reality show He was a gold medal winning Olympian.

Exactly! People who are putting Laverne into this discussion as being more "worthy" are forgetting this fact. On top of that.. It was the gold medal in the decathlon. It made him the most macho man in the country. We may not view him that way but I guarantee a lot of our fathers still do which makes this all the more eye opening.

 

[eizhowa]

Holy moley I didn't recognize who it was at all! I saw this cover yesterday and I sort of assumed it was some old icon I didn't know the name of... She looks good! Bravo

 

[eizhowa]

^^^Inspiration? If I had to take inspiration from someone this would be my latest option. People should be their own inspiration. Or if I had to be inspired by someone, it would be by a person who has achieved something: scientists, designers, photographers, sports people (I know he was), writers... But... by a trasgender? I see dozens in the streets and they make no drama about it.

I would argue that it takes more bravery to come out as a transgender than it does to become a doctor. Bravery is something to admire, and I definitley see why it should inspire people. We need bravery in the world

I like boys and all, and I need no inspiration from other people. It's the way it is. I belong to no community. I couldn't care less about other homosexual boys and their lifes. And trying to make money out of a supposed drama rests some credibility to me.

The frase "No man is an Island" comes to mind If this was the 1950s you wouldn't be so open and comfortable with being gay. Other men and women have paved the way for you so that you can live the way you want today.

This might be fun from a reality show point of view, from a magazine point of view... But when people go this deep it starts to be boring and a nonense to me.

I don't even know where to start... If being "deep" is not your thing, you are very lucky. Most magazines cater to your needs. Congratulations. I have heard people who think and reflect a lot about life are less happy anyway. hardhead

I don't like the Kardashians/Jenners either, but I can still appreciate it when they do something right.

 

[rockangel]

can't believe.... she looks beautiful!

 

[Creative]

^^Cool. You didn't get my point. Keep believing that a magazine whose only purpose is making money and selling as much as possible taking advantage of the Kardashian's demand is going to change people's way of seeing a certain topic. Nobody outside TFS takes this magazine seriously.

 

[A.D.C.]

^^Cool. You didn't get my point. Keep believing that a magazine whose only purpose is making money and selling as much as possible taking advantage of the Kardashian's demand is going to change people's way of seeing a certain topic. Nobody outside TFS takes this magazine seriously.

I'm interested in knowing how exactly do you think change comes about? How, in your opinion, does popular perception begin to change? How do people go from being called "freaks" or mentally ill to being accepted in society? Enlighten me.

 

[eizhowa]

^^And I think you missing another point; good things can come from bad intent. Regardless of whether VF and the Kardashians are only interested in money etc etc, this cover can still be a valuable contribution in fighting gender issues. Just making people talk about the topic is a step in the right direction.

 

[MON]

It's funny how some can't get away with the "Kardashian" aspect of the cover. Get away with the name, get away with the idea of her being a celebrity and just look at the bigger picture: a transgender is being recognized. Yes, not everyone WILL GET the privilege of being on the VF cover but imagine how many minds will be opened with just by this cover? Imagine how many views will change, may it be a big or a small change, towards the right direction of acceptance and tolerance? Imagine how many people, regardless of age, will realize that it is never too late to become who you really want to be? There's a bigger picture to look at beyond the "Kardashian/Jenner" aspect of the cover. Everything involves money. Everything is a publicity for something or for someone. That's a given. why get stuck up with the given? Why should we even focus on that? Heck, even Jourdan Dunn, being the first woman of color to be on the cover of UK Vogue, after quite some time) involved money and promotion. But that's not what everyone saw. People saw that women of color, their beauty, talent ++ are being recognized by UK VOGUE.

And I most certainly agree with the concept of bravery posted above! Trans people have achieved something: to REDEFINE the gender politics of not just America, but of the world. They've changed the concept of gender that has been with humans since the beginning of time. That might not be a lot to some, but that doesn't warrant for people to discredit them and say that they haven't achieved "something". I am not here to change people's minds about the subject matter. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't discredit something we don't understand. Something we haven't gone through.

But yeah, to each their own.

 

[tigerrouge]

You can't get away from the Kardashian aspect, because you can't get away from the Kardashians.

Being cynical about the media is not the same as discrediting the issue of transgender rights. The media is a true friend to no-one, it only serves itself.

But in the rush to express how wonderful the cover story is, and demonstrate their open-minded nature, it seems people have forgotten how to be tolerant of other things, like dissenting opinions. If you don't fall into line with the sentimental groupthink and start applauding, the tolerance police will be on your case, because not approving this cover means you evidently want all people back in the closet with a lock on the door and an end to social progress of any sort.

 

[Benn98]

You can't get away from the Kardashian aspect, because you can't get away from the Kardashians.

Being cynical about the media is not the same as discrediting the issue of transgender rights. The media is a true friend to no-one, it only serves itself.

But in the rush to express how wonderful the cover story is, and demonstrate their open-minded nature, it seems people have forgotten how to be tolerant of other things, like dissenting opinions. If you don't fall into line with the sentimental groupthink and start applauding, the tolerance police will be on your case, because not approving this cover means you evidently want all people back in the closet with a lock on the door and an end to social progress of any sort.

That's what I was thinking as well as I read the responses to Creative's post. It's a tremendous statement ,but of course some people will approach this with a lot of skepticism, and surely they're entitled to that? Especially when you take these Kardashians into consideration.

 

[gazebo]

It probably crossed all of our minds that this is just another Kris spin. I mean the woman is a Money Making Mastermind and it did feel like they peaked and are somewhat on their way down, but now we all talk about them again. I believe she could convince him or any other family member for that matter to do anything.

 

[lemeray]

So Kris made her take hormones in the 80s while he was married to Linda, wear women's clothes secretly around the house, let her steal Kim's make-up and clothes, let her potentially ruin the relationships with her children, make her undergo multiple surgeries. I am sure that was her master plan all along to just land a Vanity Fair cover

If anything Kim had the big suprise that day, she announced her second pregnancy...

 

[Benn98]

So Kris made her take hormones in the 80s while he was married to Linda, wear women's clothes secretly around the house, let her steal Kim's make-up and clothes, let her potentially ruin the relationships with her children, make her undergo multiple surgeries. I am sure that was her master plan all along to just land a Vanity Fair cover

I'm sure he meant Kris orchestrating this stupendous announcement with Vanity Fair, because it does seem like the type of thing she'd do.

 

[lemeray]

^ I get that, but she hasn't even posted the cover or commented about the VF cover on any social media accounts...

 

[jescajade]

Have to agree with Creative on this, if it wasn't a Kardashian there would not be this much attention. Vanity Fair needs more sales, and there's a new reality show to plug, regardless if this changes anything or not for the lgbt community, which I doubt, it's great marketing.

 

[Chanelcouture09]

With Bruce/Caitlyn no longer involved with KUWTK I highly doubt Kris has anything to do with this, since she orchestrates the deals with E! and that is also evident that Kris is the only Kardashian to not post that cover on any of her social media pages.

 

[dior_couture1245]

Have to agree with Creative on this, if it wasn't a Kardashian there would not be this much attention. Vanity Fair needs more sales, and there's a new reality show to plug, regardless if this changes anything or not for the lgbt community, which I doubt, it's great marketing.

It absolutely will, though.

The Kardashians are the most famous family in the world. Every American knows of, keeps up with, and/or cares about the entire family - or at the very least one of the family members. The Kardashian Kraze extends to all age groups, genders, ethnicity, political views, etc. The reach is insane.

Bruce coming out as Caitlyn exposes every American to the, or at least, a, reality of being transgender. It forces pretty much every American to confront this reality. It starts a very real conversation. Conservative individuals who may have happily wished to believe that being transgender is something foreign, freakish, extreme and flamboyant now have a very real example of a relatable individual (a middle aged, white, male, Republican, athletic, family-man) who is coming out, clearing the air, making a change and is now owning their true identity. That hits close to home. That changes perspectives. That opens minds. That kind of relatability makes people think differently.

So while it's certainly fair that many are apprehensive or distant to anything coming from the Kardashian family - I don't think it's fair to discredit the importance and potential impact this cover, and Bruce's transformation in general, will have. I certainly am no Kardashian fan - in fact I've never seen a single episode of the show - but I'm not opposed to the possibility of something genuinely positive coming out of the crazy.

 

[Fotoholic24]

I live in south america, and just yesterday in class, we discussed the issues that the transgender community have to confront in order to be happy with themselves. Even our teacher talked about it.

Two morning TV shows did interviews with specialist and LGBT activists. All because of this VF cover!

With Bruce/Caitlyn no longer involved with KUWTK I highly doubt Kris has anything to do with this, since she orchestrates the deals with E! and that is also evident that Kris is the only Kardashian to not post that cover on any of her social media pages.

True, Kris and Caitlyn have no longer a work relationship. Since last year Bruce, now Caitlyn, have been working with another publicist.