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  1. BLtheKid

    BLtheKid Member

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    Sure, I'll try to take a few photos on Tuesday. Pushing all the chips to the center of the table with this bet on Mirabella...

    I will be calling LA on Monday so that they have all of the issues of Mirabella, In Fashion, Vogue Paris, Vogue Italia, Mademoiselle and Elle waiting for me on a cart already when I get there.

    I think I can get through all of those and maybe even eat lunch too if things go well...
     
  2. BLtheKid

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    Well, it turned out that I came up very short on the pictures.

    Here is a shot of the library as I approached:

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    And then, after taking the escalator up to the third floor, you can see the sign for the Art and Recreation Department (where they will bring all the archived fashion magazines out for you to look at):

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    I was expecting everything I asked for to be on a cart like last time and I was going to take a picture of that from above but it wasn't nice and neat like that - instead I just ended up having bound stacks of issues just piled up all over the table and it didn't seem like it would make much of a picture. So, the next thing I knew, the camera was put away and I started going through all of the issues.

    I got there about 10:20 and looked at issues straight through with no break until I left at 5:15 to head back to the airport.

    I started with trying to find the two photos that were less-important to me (because I thought I had enough time to do everything). One was from In Fashion and I looked through the issues (using Table of Contents as a guide) that LA had (1987-89) and didn't find it - in the back of my mind I was kind of feeling it was 50/50 that the photo was from 1985-86 (I believe the New York Public Library is the only library in the country that has these issues).

    Then I flipped kind of haphazardly and quickly through the 1985-86 issues of Vogue Paris (LA was missing at least one-quarter of the issues) - this was kind of a self-defeating exercise because while I'm sure of the time frame, there is some possibility that the photo came from either Vogue Italia or Vogue UK. Plus, I couldn't use the Table of Contents as a guide because I only know a little bit of French. Not to mention, I also began to wonder if the photo was part of a fashion editorial or perhaps it was an advertising spread instead. And it's hard to just flip through these issues of Vogue Paris - they're a little oversized and it's not easy to do quickly.

    If these two photos were in the top-third of my collection, I'd grind through and find them at some point but since they're not, I'm just going to let these two go.

    The primary purpose of my visit was to find the photo I've looked for in at least 700 issues of - in rough order, Harper's Bazaar, Elle, Mademoiselle and Vogue.

    I decide to get to the main event and I start from the beginning going through all of the issues of Mirabella that LA has. The magazine printed from June 1989 until 2000 (the last issue LA had was May, not sure if that was the real last one or not). One problem is that LA was missing nine issues, leaving open the obvious possibility that I may have the right magazine but have my photo ending up in one of the missing issues.

    As I'm going through, it's feeling to me as though Mirabella is where my photo was and is. I had that feeling all day long. For "fun", I make a guess that I'm going to find it in June 1991. Well, I get that far and it's not there yet. Then there is a span from August-December 1991 that is missing (high-risk since it's in a high-probability year but low-risk in that I don't think my photo is in the fall/winter cycle of months). But still, you never know.

    The very next month - January 1992 - the Table of Contents changes to a different format, one that feels more familiar. But, the months keep rolling by. Eventually, I start asking for more Mirabella to be brought out - a year more here, two more years there. With some missing months in-between. April 1994. July 1994. February 1995. June through August in 1995 but there is a letter from the editor (Grace Mirabella) in September 1995 indicating the magazine had barely survived (so maybe Jun-Aug 1995 simply don't exist). For awhile, Mirabella combined two months into one. Missing Jan/Feb 1997. I end up getting all the way through to the end and don't find my photo.

    But, I have to tell you, this is where I think it is. I finally got the Table of Contents for Aug-Dec 1991 back from the Denver Public Library today and can rule those out. I just put in a request today for Apr 1994, July 1994 and February 1995. Even though the odds are very much against, I wouldn't be shocked if it ended up being in one of these issues.

    About the only success I had was getting better scans from two photos from Vogue Italia March 1984 and another from Elle January 1993 (plus I scanned a new photo from Mirabella for possible consideration into my collection).

    I also looked through all of Mademoiselle 1986 and the months LA had for 1987 (remember a lot of the photos but didn't come across any to possibly add).

    So, at this point, I will wait to get Table of Contents back. If not there, I may at some point even look at Mirabella again but extra-carefully. Lesser possibilities (Glamour, Marie Claire, Elle-again).

    The Fashion Gods have shown that they are very angry with me for getting rid of my original and unique physical collection years ago and are testing me to my very limits!
     
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  3. MulletProof

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    ^ Ah I see what you do! I always speed up onto the second escalator but you turn left in the middle. I'll take a detour next time. I wish I knew exactly what to look for and take snaps. Hours fly in that place and I assume even more so looking at old fashion magazines with a purpose.

    When are you scheduling the next (and hopefully final) part of this magazine mystery? sorry I was a bit flaky in the previous episode lol. I enjoy meeting other tFSers for the most part (had a walk with my favorite one a few blocks from there a little over a month ago!), I just need alarms/alerts/reminders for everything I want to do apparently!

    Also for lunch: 85 bakery about a block from that entrance you used! good and small enough to remain focused and not waste a lot of time.
     
  4. BLtheKid

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    I've just been dealt a bitter and cruel loss once again. It almost can't even be believed.

    I finally got from FIT the Table of Contents for Mirabella (April 1994, July 1994, February 1995 and Jan/Feb 1997). I was really hopeful that my photo would be in one of the 1994 issues in particular but nothing from the TOC looks like a realistic possibility. I honestly thought it was going to be in one of these issues because these were the most likely possibilities of magazines that I haven't looked directly at or gotten the TOC from previously.

    If there is any positive right now, I'm pretty sure the photo is somewhere in the period between January 1991 and August 1995 - at least cut in half from what I've been considering as possible.

    Perhaps it could be in Marie Claire in either 1994 or 1995 (thankfully, the U.S. version didn't even exist before then) - but I've seen a couple of the early covers and it looked more like a magazine with a lot of weird headlines/stories than anything else (so, why would I ever have even skimmed through it?).

    Glamour - that's another one where you could say, "Why would I even look at it?" Fashion wasn't/isn't their focus and their covers were never anything worthwhile either. I got a lot of TOC (but only a small portion to give me an idea) and it doesn't seem to me my photo would have come from here. But, I may be forced to look at this - not sure what to do right now.

    It seems more likely to me that it is somehow in one of the magazines that I already looked at - such as maybe it was in an editorial that I never even looked at because a read of the TOC made me not even look at that particular editorial. I felt I would instantly recognize the editorial when I came across it in the TOC but now I'm wondering if the description in the TOC was just very general and made me miss it.

    I wish I had a friend who was a police sketch artist - then I would simply post the sketch here and someone would recognize the photo or at least the model and this situation would be resolved!

    This is very bad. :( And very unfair! :angry:
     
  5. BLtheKid

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    Is there anyone out there near a big-city library that has Elle (U.S.) from 1989-1991 and able to help me in looking for my photo in Jan-Aug for those years?

    This is the one significant gap of issues that I haven't been able to personally look at.

    I might post something in the Rachel Williams thread to see if anyone recognizes my description of the photo I'm looking for - I can totally see it being her...
     
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    March, 1971, ph Henry Clarke IMG_0719.jpg
     
  7. Vision Ruan

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    I tried to find the cover story of US Vogue January 1999,Jewel by Steven Meisel.Does anyone have scans?
     
  8. BLtheKid

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    In my search for the photo referenced in post #335 of this thread, I think we can only say that despite considerable effort over the past seven months, I badly lost round 1.

    But, hope springs once again as the bell has sounded for round 2.

    I present a photo in my collection that may finally light the way:

    Gabrielle Reece
    Elle U.S. January 1993
    Gilles Bensimon


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    What is significant about this photo is I found this one at a time where I hadn't found anything for awhile. Which is exactly the same circumstance surrounding the photo that I am looking for as well. A big question is, which of these two photos came first?

    The more I think about it, it's very likely the photo that I am looking for came first, so I am now thinking it almost has to be in the period from 1989-1992. The confusing part is that I did find three photos in late 1989 to late 1990 but they were all covers. Meaning, you don't really find those, they are right in your face as opposed to flipping through a magazine and then coming across something that you like. That said, I guess I would still say that 1990 is unlikely but possible. I'm now thinking the best bet is 1989 (really the earliest year my photo could be in, I think there is almost no chance it could be even a year earlier, given that I found this in December 1987:

    Christy Turlington
    Elle U.S. December 1987
    Gilles Bensimon


    christy turlington elle 12-87 gilles bensimon.jpg

    So, where does that leave me?

    Well, as previously stated, I'm almost positive the photo is between January-August (don't really think August but looking at that just in case). I seem to remember finding it in the spring or perhaps early summer (my best guess is April-June, I also remember it wasn't in a large issue, such as March often is).

    Anyway, in the past couple of weeks I went to the U of A library a couple of times and looked at Harper's Bazaar and Vogue AGAIN for January-August for all years 1988-1995. I think I am finally going to have to put those two to bed. My very first guess back in September was Harper's Bazaar 1990-1995 - the 80's-90's turn-of-the-decade Table of Contents format looked so familiar but I have to admit the actual photography within the magazine itself probably fits less than any of the magazines that I have looked at. I mostly doubted my photo was in Vogue because it seemed to me that my photo came from somewhere that I didn't get many - or maybe even ANY others from.

    Since those last two visits, I came to the conclusion that I need to look from 1989-1992, not 1991-1995. What's good about the earlier time period, is that it means I almost certainly bought the magazine from a corner grocery store in Brooklyn (as opposed to say an international magazine shop in Manhattan), meaning I think I can definitively rule out my photo came from a foreign magazine (I was fearing something from the UK). And can also rule out the always-unlikely-anyway Marie Claire U.S. as that didn't even begin until 1994.

    In alphabetical order, here's what's left: Cosmopolitan, Elle, Glamour, Mademoiselle, Mirabella.

    From least to most likely:

    5) Mademoiselle: I've looked at this twice already. The one X-factor is it's always possible that I somehow passed over my photo already but my current feeling is it's that I have (amazingly) managed not to find the right magazine yet. If worse comes to worse, I will take one more pass at this, but setting this aside for now.

    4) Mirabella: Just looked at all issues that LA had of this in late February - the good thing is that LA actually had ALL of the issues that are in the time period I am now considering. Still the small worry that I didn't look at a particular fashion editorial because the Table of Contents description didn't seem right though. Regardless, also setting this aside for now.

    3) Cosmopolitan: I am adding this to my list for the very first time. I just think I would remember if I had gotten it from here. It's not a usual suspect. If 1994-1995 I'd say no way - but in 1989 I might still have flipped through this on occasion. What this has going for it is that I haven't looked at this at all, so it's at least possible. The U of A also has this as part of some Women's Magazine Database so I can actually look at these locally without making any kind of trip. So, within the next few days or weeks, this is the first thing I'm going to do. I don't expect to find it here. Either it will be or I will rule it out before taking more drastic measures.

    2) Elle: This was second on my list at the very beginning - we find it here again now. When I went to LA in October, I looked at all issues from 1992-2001. So, that leaves the 1989-1991 issues currently right in the wheelhouse as still unlooked at. This is a problem as I'm not sure if anyone outside of the Fashion Institute of Technology or the New York Public Library even has this. I don't love spending close to $300 on a round-trip (not even overnight) to New York but probably even worse is the travelling time of 7-8 hours each way. I had gotten the Table of Contents for Elle from 1989-1991 (May 1989 missing though!) and nothing seemed to fit quite right - I have to review those again and reconsider. I can't quite get it out of my head that the model is Rachel Williams and sure enough, she's on the cover of the January 1989 issue... If everything else doesn't pan out, I will have to get a look at these issues one way or another.

    1) Glamour: This was my fifth consideration before I set this aside in favor of Mirabella being more likely. I had gotten Table of Contents for various months and years and the format didn't seem quite right to me. In the period I'm now considering, I had gotten TOC for 1990, 1991 and Apr-Aug 1992. I had a request out there for 1989 but cancelled it when I shifted focus. That is now my best guess on where my photo is. This is similar to Cosmopolitan - if we were talking mid-90's there's no way I'd have still been looking at this but in 1989 it wouldn't be extremely surprising. It fits with getting a photo from somewhere I didn't usually get photos from - I have no other photos from Glamour. Arizona State University has Glamour on microfilm for 1989-1990 and the physical magazines for 1991-1992. They need five business days notice to get the magazines out of their archives - I will set up a trip to Phoenix once I see what happens with Cosmopolitan.

    My guess where the fashion editorial was shot: either the Mediterranean or Adriatic Sea.

    On pages 126-132 of the magazine (if I ever find it, we'll see how close I come).
     
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  9. BLtheKid

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    Well, I decided not to delay and checked out (and ruled out) Cosmopolitan today.

    The one thing that was nice about today's process is the database for Cosmopolitan was actually very useful - the only thing I had to do was put in the month/year and check off the boxes for "Table of Contents" and "Fashion" and that's exactly what shows up in the search. Contrast that with either Vogue or Harper's Bazaar - the same type of search parameters exist for those but something about it doesn't work right.

    So, it took me only a half-hour to look at Jan-Aug for 1989-1993 (I think I might have looked at 1994 also). I probably should have looked at 1988 and 1995 and also looked at Sep-Dec for all years because it really wouldn't have been that difficult but I really don't think it is in Cosmo (and never really did but just had to make sure).

    Thinking about everything, I have to presume my photo is not in a magazine that I've actually looked at, so I'm removing Mademoiselle from my list of possibilities and will keep Mirabella as only a slight possibility (to be considered for the 1994-1995 period if I don't find anything in from 1989-1992).

    So:
    3) Mirabella (but not likely)
    2) Elle (possibly in 1989-1991 issues that I haven't looked at, I have to re-review TOC)
    1) Glamour (unbelievably, I really think my photo is here)

    My next move is probably to go to Arizona State to look at Glamour sometime in the next two weeks.
     

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