Vogue China July 2006 : Doutzen Kroes

[panda]

VOGUE China is the worst version of VOGUE ever, it's not suprised that people in asia preferred other version of Vogues rather than Vogue CHN.

I found that most people do not awared there's another VOGUE Chinese, which bases in Taiwan under different management n editors; it is the way more in trend than VOGUE CHN. Conde nast can easy have these two edition merge instead of running two different editions. it doesn't take time at all to translate trad. chinese to simp. chinese on the computer.
btw, its very stupid that VOGUE CHN office runs in Shanghai, not Hong Kong. And quite a lot of Hong Kong magazine publishers were shocked that Conde Nast made such a decision... as most of the fashion trends in china are followed by hong kong or taiwan. I do not see there's any reason that shanghai is an ideal place to publish VOGUE, ever.


P.S.:Angelica Cheung, the editor in chief of VOGUE CHN has no sense of style; my schoolmates always making fun of her style n blaming her editorial skills.

 

[agneslo]

VOGUE China is the worst version of VOGUE ever, it's not suprised that people in asia preferred other version of Vogues rather than Vogue CHN.

I found that most people do not awared there's another VOGUE Chinese, which bases in Taiwan under different management n editors; it is the way more in trend than VOGUE CHN. Conde nast can easy have these two edition merge instead of running two different editions. it doesn't take time at all to translate trad. chinese to simp. chinese on the computer.
btw, its very stupid that VOGUE CHN office runs in Shanghai, not Hong Kong. And quite a lot of Hong Kong magazine publishers were shocked that Conde Nast made such a decision... as most of the fashion trends in china are followed by hong kong or taiwan. I do not see there's any reason that shanghai is an ideal place to publish VOGUE, ever.


P.S.:Angelica Cheung, the editor in chief of VOGUE CHN has no sense of style; my schoolmates always making fun of her style n blaming her editorial skills.

I do agree with you as i buy most of the other vogue magazine than vogue china.... i was shocked when i know Vogue is going to be published in China but not Hong Kong...
But you need to understand,, vogue is a magazine that requires a huge publishion or readers... HOng Kong's market is too small for Vogue as there are mayn fashion magazine and the market is nearly occupied already...
China's has so many people and that's meet the needs of Vogue!!!!!

 

[inAbottle]

it's not attractive at all ehh

 

[panda]

i do understand there's a need for the china market, but instead of doing the publishing in Shanghai; why don't conde nast do it in HK? or just simply Merge Vogue CHN & Vogue Chinese together...

talking about market size, i am sure singapore's market is alot smaller than HK, but they do have their own edition of VOGUE... I just don't see why HK cannot do the same thing? well, that was not really my point regards to the poor quality of Vogue CHN.

 

[simferopolk]

P.S.:Angelica Cheung, the editor in chief of VOGUE CHN has no sense of style; my schoolmates always making fun of her style n blaming her editorial skills.

angelica is the former editor in chief of ELLE CHINA,it would be better if she stay in ELLE.NOW~~GOD~both ELLE AND VOGUE bore me to death ~~

WHAT'S WORSE,THEY REGARD SHANGHAI AS THE FASHION CENTRE OF CHINA BUT DEFINETELY NOT,JUST FULL OF RICH GUY AND THE LUXURY SELLS WELL~~SHANGHAI IS A GREAT CITY BUT SHE COULD NOT REPRESENT CHINA~~~~~~~

NOW I AM SO DISAPPOINTED WITH VOGUE CHINA.MAYBE AFTER I ENTER THE UNIVERSITY,I WILL BUY VOGUE UK(I LOVE THEIR ARTICLES AND EDS)

 

[simferopolk]

i do understand there's a need for the china market, but instead of doing the publishing in Shanghai; why don't conde nast do it in HK? or just simply Merge Vogue CHN & Vogue Chinese together...

talking about market size, i am sure singapore's market is alot smaller than HK, but they do have their own edition of VOGUE... I just don't see why HK cannot do the same thing? well, that was not really my point regards to the poor quality of Vogue CHN.

WELL,6 MILLION PEOPLE CAN NOT COMPARE WITH 14 BILLION .IF IT PUBLISH IN HONGKONG ,THINK ABOUT THE PRICE IN MAINLAND~~THE AVERAGE SALARY OF HK IS 2000 US DOLLARS BUT THE MAINLAND IS ONLY 2000 RMB .

WHY NOT VOGUE CHINA JUST TRANSLATE VOGUE US OR THE OTHERS AND PUBLISH IN SHANGHAI ???? I PREFER THEY NOT HAVE THEIR OWN EDITION

AFTER READING SOME ISSUES OF VOGUE CHINA

 

[ericyoung1111]

i do understand there's a need for the china market, but instead of doing the publishing in Shanghai; why don't conde nast do it in HK? or just simply Merge Vogue CHN & Vogue Chinese together...

talking about market size, i am sure singapore's market is alot smaller than HK, but they do have their own edition of VOGUE... I just don't see why HK cannot do the same thing? well, that was not really my point regards to the poor quality of Vogue CHN.

something about AC, you really right. buy another point you completely wrong! NOW, WHO CARE HONG KONG?!

 

[panda]

shanghai people r not well-dressed enough to make shanghai became the fashion capital of china. all i saw in shanghai r women with all the labels n logos on their bodies, the best example of "brands trash can". i have to say i do love the city, but their fashion sense r far behind than any other big cities on the world. the best way to see the difference, its simply compare those chinese celebrities to HK/TW/JP celebrities. as celebrities, their fashion sences r far left behind.

generally speaking, how much these editors get paid does not interest me, all i care about is the magazine's quality. I'd say that if VOGUE CHN based their publishment in HK, the quality will be improve significantly. n there's no doubt that the selection of typeface, sizes n colors of fonts will not seen odd to me like it does in VOGUE CHN. n frankly speaking, most mainlanders from china found HKers r stylish n trendy, i just do not see any reason that shanghai should be the place to publish VOGUE CHN. salary is a crucial factor for publicher to consider, but this is not an concern for any readers. there's why most HK people would go for VOGUE Chinese(TW), which people found it more in vogue than VOGUE CHN.

I m not saying there's a need for VOGUE HK, but having VOGUE CHN published in HK will be far more better than published it in Shanghai. even Singapore got their own edition of Bazzar, i m not sure about vogue though, n i just don't see the population will matter so much even if the VOGUE HK is going to launch.

there's a law just set up in CHN that oversea publishers r not able to launched any new oversea based magazines due to some stupid "knowledge exposure matter/ country's safety problem". "Rolling Stone magazine" just got "killed" because they launched after the date of this law set up. the only way for oversea publishers to launch magazines in CHN is they have set up other company in either HK or Macau n get the pass cetificate from the china government (basically just have to avoid all the political issue regards to china government).

well, eric, i'd like to know what point u think its wrong, it's lame that u commented that i m wrong without giving any reason. but please do not post out some off-topic statement regards to how useless HK is though...

P.S.: HK is still playing a crucial n important role in asian n china, especially regards to publishing n fashion, it is the role model for all different cities of china to follow.

 

[ShanaLucas]

Perhaps the powers-that-be have a good sense of foresight.

While Hong Kong is a firmly established city with good fashion sense, Shanghai is the most exciting place to be right now. Its economy is a on such a rapid growth pace that if one blinks, they could be left behind. Shanghai, like it or not, is currently the place to be. Fashion there has grown by leaps and bounds. It's not unusual to walk up to a high fashion area and look up and see huge video screens of Daria and Eugenia on the runway. Chanel, Fendi, Prada, Dolce & Gabbana, etc...they don't each just have a single store, they have multiple stores. And more to come!

If Shanghai continues at this pace in a few years, Hong Kong could very well be considered 'old school' Chinese.

Only time will tell...

 

[haoshcn]

shanghai people r not well-dressed enough to make shanghai became the fashion capital of china. all i saw in shanghai r women with all the labels n logos on their bodies, the best example of "brands trash can". i have to say i do love the city, but their fashion sense r far behind than any other big cities on the world. the best way to see the difference, its simply compare those chinese celebrities to HK/TW/JP celebrities. as celebrities, their fashion sences r far left behind.

generally speaking, how much these editors get paid does not interest me, all i care about is the magazine's quality. I'd say that if VOGUE CHN based their publishment in HK, the quality will be improve significantly. n there's no doubt that the selection of typeface, sizes n colors of fonts will not seen odd to me like it does in VOGUE CHN. n frankly speaking, most mainlanders from china found HKers r stylish n trendy, i just do not see any reason that shanghai should be the place to publish VOGUE CHN. salary is a crucial factor for publicher to consider, but this is not an concern for any readers. there's why most HK people would go for VOGUE Chinese(TW), which people found it more in vogue than VOGUE CHN.

I m not saying there's a need for VOGUE HK, but having VOGUE CHN published in HK will be far more better than published it in Shanghai. even Singapore got their own edition of Bazzar, i m not sure about vogue though, n i just don't see the population will matter so much even if the VOGUE HK is going to launch.

there's a law just set up in CHN that oversea publishers r not able to launched any new oversea based magazines due to some stupid "knowledge exposure matter/ country's safety problem". "Rolling Stone magazine" just got "killed" because they launched after the date of this law set up. the only way for oversea publishers to launch magazines in CHN is they have set up other company in either HK or Macau n get the pass cetificate from the china government (basically just have to avoid all the political issue regards to china government).

well, eric, i'd like to know what point u think its wrong, it's lame that u commented that i m wrong without giving any reason. but please do not post out some off-topic statement regards to how useless HK is though...

P.S.: HK is still playing a crucial n important role in asian n china, especially regards to publishing n fashion, it is the role model for all different cities of china to follow.

When you said that Vogue China should be published in HK, you intentioally and maybe unintentionally keep your eyes away from a critical issue, the accessibility of Vogue China, or maybe even the definition of what is Vogue China. If Vogue China is published outside mainland China, how could it possibly reach hundreds of millions of potential Chinese readers? You mentioned that by yourself, the publishing industry in China is under extremely tight control because of political issue. It is simply impossible for a Vogue Hongkong/Taiwan/Singapore or whatever to get into the mainstream circulation network in China. Conde Nast wants to do a genuine "VOGUE CHINA" accessible to every Chinese interested in contemporary fashion, that's the point. They got no other choice but doing it in mainland China, and Shanghai is apparently the best candidate.

As for the quality of Vogue China, I agree with what quite a few TFS members said, it's just so-so. I only read one issue so far, Feb 2006. From what I read, it really doesn't have much of its own character yet. But I read an interview of Angelica before, and she said, at this moment what she wanted to do the most was to educate Chinese readers about what's good fashion. Who knows, maybe after another 2 or 3 years, we would see some interesting evolution of Vogue China?

These days Hongkong is indeed the place to find best fashion and best-dressed people in the whole Asia except Japan. And yes, people living in Shanghai does still have a lot to learn about what's good European fashion. But come on, it's really just fashion, its not aristocracy, it's not something you have to be born with, it's something that could be learnt, and learnt very quickly as long as you have the time, money, enough education and strong desire to do that. You talk about logomania, I am pretty sure people living in Hongkong and Japan are even worse with that than mainland Chinese. I don't know where you are from, maybe Hongkong? To be honest, the way you put down Shanghai by comparing it with Hongkong turns me off a little bit. I mean, we all know the fact that Hongkong was still nothing worth mentioning while Shanghai was the most glamorous metropolis in Far East in 1930s, and Hongkong achieved its world-city status only during the last 30 years or so in last century. That said, I see no reason why Shanghai shouldn't become a glamorous big city boasting lots of stylish and sophisticated people in not-so-distant future again, as long as Chinese economy stays on its current trajectory.

BTW, something I want to mention, last weekend I saw "Vogue China" at Universal News, the chain stores having the best and biggest selection of foreign magazines in Manhattan. Except Vogue China and Vogue Japan, I didn't see any other mainstream Asian fashion magazine over there, Bazaar Singapre, Vogue Taiwan, Elle Hongkong or whatever.

 

[simferopolk]

Well, Hk Vs Shanghai? It Dosen't Make Sense,both Are Great City And "fashion Capitals "although I Do Not Think Shanghai Is ~~~
In The Eye Of Western Luxury Groups(lvmp,gucci Some Like That) ,most Asian Guest Are Logomania~~~with china Is More Open, Chinese People Should Learn To Have A Good Fashion Sense Instead Of To Recognize Logos.

Vogue China And Other Fashion Mags Should Bear The Responsibility Of Informing Chinese People What Fashion Is And How To Choose A Real Luxury Not Just Looking At Logos Of Big Brands. So Vogue China Is Urged To Improve Its Quality Rapidly.

Panda Talked About Editing Vogue China In Hk.hk People Have A Better Sense Of Fashion Indeed,editing In Hk Surely Improve The Quality,but We Have To Accept The Fact That Eastern China Is The Next Developed Area Besides Hk Ana Taiwan , Larger Market ,bigger
Commercial Chances . Those Facts Make It Impossible To Edit Vogue China In Hk.
Sorry For My Poor English, What The 9 Years Of Learning English Make Me Really Good At Is Doing Test Papers.

 

[MissJones]

Yuckk. I really don't like the dress especially not in combination with the dark eye make up

 

[liberty33r1b]

all the previous covers were so amazing, just not this one....

 

[panda]

wow, good discussion...

well, ever since the china cold war, Shanghai has lost the title of "fashion captial"; will shanghai regain this title? who knows. early from the late 80s, mainlanders believe HKers r all well dressed, besides all the luxury shopping malls n department stores (like joyce, lane crawford, IT, etc) in shanghai all opened by HK companies, is that telling everyone that Shanghai is following the path of HK?! its no doubt that shanghai is totally inspired by HK in different ways.

what bothers me the most is angelica has some weird styles all the time. n i wonder is she really on the right path on teaching chinese people about the "right fashion". i really doubt her editional skills n especially her horrible fashion sense.

my goodness, the typefaces r always bad n need to be changed, what's wrong with those words next to VOGUE's logo, its a very odd chinese translation of VOGUE, even all chinese schoolmates in parsons commented its been translated wrong n in a weird way. n is it neccessary to have other english sentenses on the cover besides "VOGUE"??

the cover itself has to go thru an "extreme make over"!

i know it is kind of rude that people compare VOGUE China to different editions of VOGUE, but i just can't help n hope that VOGUE china will improve a lot better. from my point of view, VOGUE china still have a lot to catch up in order to meet the VOGUE Chinese's quality. i guess what conde nast can do is hire some different editors from different places to help. as conde nast is not going to move the VOGUE china publishment to HK, i guess they should hire some HKers to inspire the new VOGUE CHN.


talking about the universal news store, r u sure the one u saw is VOGUE China, not VOGUE Chinese? because i remember i saw the VOGUE Chinese once a while ago in one of those universal news.

 

[haoshcn]

wow, good discussion...

well, ever since the china cold war, Shanghai has lost the title of "fashion captial"; will shanghai regain this title? who knows. early from the late 80s, mainlanders believe HKers r all well dressed, besides all the luxury shopping malls n department stores (like joyce, lane crawford, IT, etc) in shanghai all opened by HK companies, is that telling everyone that Shanghai is following the path of HK?! its no doubt that shanghai is totally inspired by HK in different ways.

what bothers me the most is angelica has some weird styles all the time. n i wonder is she really on the right path on teaching chinese people about the "right fashion". i really doubt her editional skills n especially her horrible fashion sense.

my goodness, the typefaces r always bad n need to be changed, what's wrong with those words next to VOGUE's logo, its a very odd chinese translation of VOGUE, even all chinese schoolmates in parsons commented its been translated wrong n in a weird way. n is it neccessary to have other english sentenses on the cover besides "VOGUE"??

the cover itself has to go thru an "extreme make over"!

i know it is kind of rude that people compare VOGUE China to different editions of VOGUE, but i just can't help n hope that VOGUE china will improve a lot better. from my point of view, VOGUE china still have a lot to catch up in order to meet the VOGUE Chinese's quality. i guess what conde nast can do is hire some different editors from different places to help. as conde nast is not going to move the VOGUE china publishment to HK, i guess they should hire some HKers to inspire the new VOGUE CHN.


talking about the universal news store, r u sure the one u saw is VOGUE China, not VOGUE Chinese? because i remember i saw the VOGUE Chinese once a while ago in one of those universal news.

First of all, there's not something called "China cold war", that phrase is invented by you, which shows either how much ignorant you are about China or how poor your English is.

Second, Shanghai is following the path of HK and inspired by HK? Are you kidding me? I agree that lots of luxury fashion stores in Shanghai are owned by HK companies, but could you find any Hongkong designers' presence at those stores in Shanghai or even back at the same chain store (I.T, Joyce, Lane Crawford) in HK? These Hongkong stores or businessmen are nothing but sales agency for those European, Japanese or American fashion houses. I seriously doubt that Hongkong has enough fashion creativity to inspire Shanghai or the entire China. On business side I agree they do have more experience in dealing with foreign fashion houses than business based in Shanghai and China itself, that's also why those fashion houses have been doing business through them in China and why they could have opened stores in China at the beginning. But as the local reatailing business in Shanghai get more experienced and foreign fashion houses find it easier to do business by themseleves in China, why do they still have to go through those Hongkong middlemen? Zegna is a very good example for that. "Three on the Bund" is another one. SAKS is also coming to Shanghai, we'll just wait and see how the luxury and fashion retailing landscape in Shanghai is going to change.

I agree that mainland Chinese did kind of imitate the way people in Hongkong were dressed maybe 10 or 20 years ago, but that's because we are all Chinese and people in mainland China including Shanghai were not yet exposed to lots of exciting fashion back then. If you go to Shanghai these days, do you still expect people to get all their fashion inspirations from Hongkong? Are you kidding me about that? I don't mean that Shanghai is sophisticated enough to leave Hongkong far behind, the question here is, does Hongkong really has its own unique fashion style and creativity to inspire anyone? Did it ever contribute any inspiring fashion designer like Yohji, Rei, Junya to the world? I bet you know the answer. Being a colony for too long is really not a good thing for cultural independence and creativity. Shanghai Tang is the only thing I could think of which has some sort of significance and started up in Hongkong, but let's be honest, we all know that it's totally exotic craps for foreign tourists or Sinophiles. Getting some editors from Hongkong to help us to improve the quality of "Vogue China"?! Please mind your own business and learn how to define yourselves first, just leave us alone, thank you!

I don't know enough about Angelica's personal style, but from some of her pictures I have seen, I will say she is OK, at least not more weird than Anna Wintour. She's kind of bland, but isn't it true that most fashion editors are dressed blandly except Anna Piaggi and Isabella Blow? What about Cathy Horyn and Suzy Menkes, do they have wonderful personal fahsion style? Aren't they among the best and most influential fashion editors around the whole world?

I don't know why they must add Chinese title beside the English title of "Vogue China", I will guess it's required by Chinese publishing law, and I don't see any problem with that practice either since it's actually a Chinese magazine published for Chinese readers. "时尚与美容" is not such a good Chinese title, but that's because the better one "时尚" has already been used by "Cosmopolitan China" or whichever similiar magazine. And just like what several other TFS members said, "Vogue China" did make some very nice covers, this June issue cover of Freja is a good example.

Yes, what I saw at Universal News was the June issue of "Vogue China" with that Freja cover. The Chinese price is only 20 RMB while they sell it for $15. If Universal News hasn't been so greedy, I might even have got a copy for myself since I really like that cover. BTW, I didn't see anything like "vOGUE Chinese", "Vogue Taiwan" or whatever over there.

 

[kickassgood]

theres an editorial in this one called state of mind with milagros schmoll and tatyana usova, could someone please scan it?