Who Has Seen This Bag

[pradaromance]

I do not agree with the idea of fakes because of how there has been evidence that fake designer goods is what created enough money for terrorists to bomb the World Trade Center in '93 (i think thats the year). I also do not believe that fake designer goods are made in the same factories as the real products. I think that the quality does not compare.

Also, i dont think that people should go around calling people label whores when they dont even know who they are talking to, i just dont think its right . I look at my clothes as my collection...some people pay crazy amounts of money on antique toys or stamps...i spend crazy amounts of money on clothes and accesories .

 

[CelineChic]

Fake designer bags lead to terrorism. Are you for real? Please tell me where you read this , I'd like to read it myself and see how valid the evidence is to back up such a claim.

I could see how drugs have led to terrorism since Mr. Bin Laden's fortunes come from drug money.

I also do not believe that fake designer goods are made in the same factories as the real products. I think that the quality does not compare.

Read some books on Globalization and you'll see that slave factory labour for non-designer goods and designer goods is no different. You can look it up yourself. Read a few Chomsky books and you'll see it a few times.

 

[elegantly_patty]

i think its shocking how some people posting arent willing to let other people express their opinions and respect it... jsut because the topic of discussion is fake bags and the example we have is paris or nicky hilton doesnt mean we're arrogant or shallow... its a serious rip off to pay good money and find out ur purchase isnt authentic... c'mon people lets b more respectful and allow people to say and think what they want to say without being vulger or narrow minded themselves... its a forum thus allowing room for discussion!
no ones envious, jealous or making themselves feel bettr by puttin down someone else... we're discussing how fakes r becoming a huge problem in the fashion world... so chill out man!!!

 

[CelineChic]

Originally posted by elegantly_patty@Jun 20th, 2004 - 8:22 pm
i think its shocking how some people posting arent willing to let other people express their opinions and respect it... jsut because the topic of discussion is fake bags and the example we have is paris or nicky hilton doesnt mean we're arrogant or shallow... its a serious rip off to pay good money and find out ur purchase isnt authentic... c'mon people lets b more respectful and allow people to say and think what they want to say without being vulger or narrow minded themselves... its a forum thus allowing room for discussion!
no ones envious, jealous or making themselves feel bettr by puttin down someone else... we're discussing how fakes r becoming a huge problem in the fashion world... so chill out man!!!

I said Ignorant not arrogant

Point proven one more time.


I'm stating my opinion just like everyone else. What is the problem here?

 

[pradaromance]

Originally posted by elegantly_patty@Jun 20th, 2004 - 8:22 pm
i think its shocking how some people posting arent willing to let other people express their opinions and respect it... jsut because the topic of discussion is fake bags and the example we have is paris or nicky hilton doesnt mean we're arrogant or shallow... its a serious rip off to pay good money and find out ur purchase isnt authentic... c'mon people lets b more respectful and allow people to say and think what they want to say without being vulger or narrow minded themselves... its a forum thus allowing room for discussion!
no ones envious, jealous or making themselves feel bettr by puttin down someone else... we're discussing how fakes r becoming a huge problem in the fashion world... so chill out man!!!

i agree

also, here is some info on the fake designer goods and terrorism connection i was talking about http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/CustomsT...er/interpol.xml

 

[elegantly_patty]

Originally posted by CelineChic+Jun 20th, 2004 - 10:07 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CelineChic @ Jun 20th, 2004 - 10:07 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-elegantly_patty@Jun 20th, 2004 - 8:22 pm
i think its shocking how some people posting arent willing to let other people express their opinions and respect it... jsut because the topic of discussion is fake bags and the example we have is paris or nicky hilton doesnt mean we're arrogant or shallow... its a serious rip off to pay good money and find out ur purchase isnt authentic... c'mon people lets b more respectful and allow people to say and think what they want to say without being vulger or narrow minded themselves... its a forum thus allowing room for discussion!
no ones envious, jealous or making themselves feel bettr by puttin down someone else... we're discussing how fakes r becoming a huge problem in the fashion world... so chill out man!!!

I said Ignorant not arrogant

Point proven one more time.


I'm stating my opinion just like everyone else. What is the problem here? [/b][/quote]
i wasnt directing my comment towards u, if i was i would've quoted u, plus there is no problem at all i was expressing my opinion!

 

[ChinaLove]

The idea of linking terrorism to fake designer goods has got to be thee funniest thing I've heard all year. Okay, so some of the money from the counterfeit products may have been used to finance certain terrorist events, but so what? A lot of other things we do have much more dire consequences, yet we're never ever EVER up in arms over it. The more developed countries waste 80% of the worlds resources, yet they only comprise 20% of the world's population... so what does that mean? It means that while we're taking advantage of the most basic things in life, we're also sucking the life out of less developed countries who're trying to keep up with our demands. Are we going to use less energy, drink less coffee, etc etc because what we require in our daily routine also means some poor *** country is suffering as a consequence for our wasteful lifestyle? I don't think so. Moreover, shouldn't LV, Dior, etc be held atleast partially accountable, given the fact that they're producing merchandise that provokes people to knock them off... because if there wasn't LV, there wouldn't be fake designer bags, and hence, no terrorism?! Kidding.

 

[CelineChic]

I wonder what terrorists did before the sales of fake handbags?

 

[Meg]

I don't think you should mock prada as I've also heard similar things and I consider myself to be a well-read girl. In addition don't take everything from Chomsky's mouth at face-value. Many people write books, articles and essays that are extremely well researched but do not forget that they put their own bias on it.

 

[pradaromance]

Originally posted by mehg@Jun 21st, 2004 - 12:07 am
I don't think you should mock prada as I've also heard similar things and I consider myself to be a well-read girl. In addition don't take everything from Chomsky's mouth at face-value. Many people write books, articles and essays that are extremely well researched but do not forget that they put their own bias on it.

thanks

 

[Plumour]

now it seems to be obvious that some people just love to buy fakes and feel great paying a fraction of the $ for a designer look alike.
sure, it's their life and their right, it's what makes them HAPPY, so I wouldn't jump up and criticize their lifestyle and hobby, and no way does that upset me

however, it should be obvious that people and people are different. some other people, myself included, just don't support the idea of fakes, and don't want to, or don't feel happy owning fakes. we buy designer stuffs (authentic) to let the design as well as the quality and craftsmanship to please ourselves, not try to make others think we are glamourous or whatever--isn't this silly?
"if you like the style/design, why don't you get the almost exact alike fake with much less money?" because no matter how authentic the fake looks to the eyes, it's still a fake, it's still nothing compared to the real deal, this is all that matters. and I don't care how the world thinks it's real, I know it's fake and it would bother me holding a fake in my hand. I guess this is really a personal thing, isn't it?

buying real or fake, it all depends on how you justify it and what makes you happy.
but since when did buying fake is wiser and buying real is stupid and shallow? and since when did people who own real LVs become poor and pathetic ladies and get laughed at just because they are angry about the overwhelming fakes? it's normal for people who support real to dislike fakes to some degree, doesn't matter if they've saved up years for a LV or have the money to buy a dozen of LV per month.
while I'm not criticizing the lifestyle and hobby of people who buy fakes, I definitely don't feel comfortable taking crap from fake buyers just because I think different than them and I buy/support authentic stuffs

 

[pradaromance]

Originally posted by MissPurple@Jun 21st, 2004 - 2:03 am
now it seems to be obvious that some people just love to buy fakes and feel great paying a fraction of the $ for a designer look alike.
sure, it's their life and their right, it's what makes them HAPPY, so I wouldn't jump up and criticize their lifestyle and hobby, and no way does that upset me

however, it should be obvious that people and people are different. some other people, myself included, just don't support the idea of fakes, and don't want to, or don't feel happy owning fakes. we buy designer stuffs (authentic) to let the design as well as the quality and craftsmanship to please ourselves, not try to make others think we are glamourous or whatever--isn't this silly?
"if you like the style/design, why don't you get the almost exact alike fake with much less money?" because no matter how authentic the fake looks to the eyes, it's still a fake, it's still nothing compared to the real deal, this is all that matters. and I don't care how the world thinks it's real, I know it's fake and it would bother me holding a fake in my hand. I guess this is really a personal thing, isn't it?

buying real or fake, it all depends on how you justify it and what makes you happy.
but since when did buying fake is wiser and buying real is stupid and shallow? and since when did people who own real LVs become poor and pathetic ladies and get laughed at just because they are angry about the overwhelming fakes? it's normal for people who support real to dislike fakes to some degree, doesn't matter if they've saved up years for a LV or have the money to buy a dozen of LV per month.
while I'm not criticizing the lifestyle and hobby of people who buy fakes, I definitely don't feel comfortable taking crap from fake buyers just because I think different than them and I buy/support authentic stuffs

 

[oanadobre]

Originally posted by MissPurple@Jun 21st, 2004 - 2:03 am
now it seems to be obvious that some people just love to buy fakes and feel great paying a fraction of the $ for a designer look alike.
sure, it's their life and their right, it's what makes them HAPPY, so I wouldn't jump up and criticize their lifestyle and hobby, and no way does that upset me

however, it should be obvious that people and people are different. some other people, myself included, just don't support the idea of fakes, and don't want to, or don't feel happy owning fakes. we buy designer stuffs (authentic) to let the design as well as the quality and craftsmanship to please ourselves, not try to make others think we are glamourous or whatever--isn't this silly?
"if you like the style/design, why don't you get the almost exact alike fake with much less money?" because no matter how authentic the fake looks to the eyes, it's still a fake, it's still nothing compared to the real deal, this is all that matters. and I don't care how the world thinks it's real, I know it's fake and it would bother me holding a fake in my hand. I guess this is really a personal thing, isn't it?

buying real or fake, it all depends on how you justify it and what makes you happy.
but since when did buying fake is wiser and buying real is stupid and shallow? and since when did people who own real LVs become poor and pathetic ladies and get laughed at just because they are angry about the overwhelming fakes? it's normal for people who support real to dislike fakes to some degree, doesn't matter if they've saved up years for a LV or have the money to buy a dozen of LV per month.
while I'm not criticizing the lifestyle and hobby of people who buy fakes, I definitely don't feel comfortable taking crap from fake buyers just because I think different than them and I buy/support authentic stuffs

Ditto.

 

[CelineChic]

No one is giving anyone crap. I'm just pointing out that it is unfair to say that someone who buys a fake is tacky, or someone who buys a fake is stupid, or someone who buys a real is any more glamorous than one who ports a fake.

Some of you have to get real and stop associating purses with class and "status" because its quite stupid. There is no logic in it. As I have said in other posts I've seen strippers and professional escorts (aka whores) carrying around LV bags. And I've seen wealthy upper class people carrying fakes.

I'm in no way putting down anyone, just putting down their logic.

Some people are defending themselves when there is no reason to. If you buy them because you collect them kudos for you but there is no need to put down others for buying fakes... there is no reason to do that, just makes one seem quite ignorant.

 

[ChinaLove]

I don't think you should mock prada as I've also heard similar things and I consider myself to be a well-read girl. In addition don't take everything from Chomsky's mouth at face-value. Many people write books, articles and essays that are extremely well researched but do not forget that they put their own bias on it.

You're kidding me right? There's more than enough empircal evidence from different sources to back up what I wrote, biased or not. I stand by every single thing I wrote. And um... who's Chomsky? Or did you mean ChinaLove?

In any case, it's been in my experience that most people don't buy LV, etc, because it's superbly crafted, but because it's a status symbol. It represents wealth and prominence because it's an object wealthy people can afford. I know for damn sure that's why my family has LV. If it can be purchased by everyone and is priced reasonably, it loses its significance. If that were to happen, LV would become like a GAP. That's the damned truth. Anyone with real money knows this.

 

[CelineChic]

Originally posted by mehg@Jun 21st, 2004 - 12:07 am
I don't think you should mock prada as I've also heard similar things and I consider myself to be a well-read girl. In addition don't take everything from Chomsky's mouth at face-value. Many people write books, articles and essays that are extremely well researched but do not forget that they put their own bias on it.

Well if you take into consideration the 6 values of good evidence you'd see that his evidence to back his claims are more than great. It is precise, more than sufficient, representative, clearly stated, authoratative, and accurate.

The article PradaRomance posted is extremely biased and it doesnt sayt aht buying fakes leads to terrorism. It specifically says it CAN generate money for terrorism. Using the word CAN is basically saying "we dont have proof that it does but we think it could"

Almost anything sold in the world can fund terroism. Remember when they said driving SUVs funded terrorism? THe point of the article is that some of these people that are funding terrorism are making their money through business including retail.

Anyway I did not mean to offend anyone. For the people who actually prefer the real LV Vuitton and can afford it that is great. But dont knock and ridicule the people that buy the fakes as if they're not "cool" or "classy" or "fashion victims"

I know quite a few people, myself and Miss Hilton included, who could afford all the LV purses in the world and have still carried around a fake designer purse.

PS: I've never bought a fake Louis Vuitton.... people couldn't even pay me to wear a real one. Its a fad that, in my opinion, has been a bit overdone. Real or fake, those purses are everywhere and it's not unique or a status symbol when everyone has one.

 

[banana]

Please, no more about counterfeit bags supporting terrorism. I don't know how anyone can brainwash themselves to think that. I remember when those anti-pot commercials were on all the american commercials with the guy who says "did you know that smoking weed supports terrorism". At least that was partially true at the time but not anymore (fat chance trying to get afgan weed into the country nowadays). But the conterfeit bags argument is absolutely ridiculous. It seems like the US government is doing everything they can to steer attention away from the real issues and are trying to get people to start comsuming luxury goods again (since there was quite a drop after 9/11).

 

[CelineChic]

Originally posted by banana@Jun 21st, 2004 - 7:04 pm
Please, no more about counterfeit bags supporting terrorism. I don't know how anyone can brainwash themselves to think that. I remember when those anti-pot commercials were on all the american commercials with the guy who says "did you know that smoking weed supports terrorism". At least that was partially true at the time but not anymore (fat chance trying to get afgan weed into the country nowadays). But the conterfeit bags argument is absolutely ridiculous. It seems like the US government is doing everything they can to steer attention away from the real issues and are trying to get people to start comsuming luxury goods again (since there was quite a drop after 9/11).

Finally someone who knows about the brain washing

It is so evident to me. Maybe because I'm on the outside looking in. Sometimes its hard for people to see how brain washed they are when they're on the inside.

I still crack up when I think about the slogan from one commercial "Driving SUVs leads to terrorism"

 

[Meg]

Originally posted by banana@Jun 22nd, 2004 - 12:04 am
Please, no more about counterfeit bags supporting terrorism. I don't know how anyone can brainwash themselves to think that. I remember when those anti-pot commercials were on all the american commercials with the guy who says "did you know that smoking weed supports terrorism". At least that was partially true at the time but not anymore (fat chance trying to get afgan weed into the country nowadays). But the conterfeit bags argument is absolutely ridiculous. It seems like the US government is doing everything they can to steer attention away from the real issues and are trying to get people to start comsuming luxury goods again (since there was quite a drop after 9/11).

I just quoted one person but this is to several people. Chomsky refers to Noam, if you had read the previous statement. I just want you all to remember that fakes are BLACK MARKET goods. It is not legal to sell them. So, in general, who do you think that money goes to? The government to provide healthcare to the sick? Not likely. And terrorism exists in places other than the middle east. People sell fakes to fund their own perogatives. And I don't think prada was implying that the selling of fakes is what supports terrorism. Only that money sometimes does go towards that. Like you said, many products go towards it. And you are free to boycott those products based on those grounds, and prada is free to boycott fakes based on her grounds. Maybe she doesn't want to support the black market and what it implies. I'm not saying this in defence of anything just to say that it is common sense.

 

[CelineChic]

Originally posted by mehg+Jun 22nd, 2004 - 12:45 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mehg @ Jun 22nd, 2004 - 12:45 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-banana@Jun 22nd, 2004 - 12:04 am
Please, no more about counterfeit bags supporting terrorism.  I don't know how anyone can brainwash themselves to think that.  I remember when those anti-pot commercials were on all the american commercials with the guy who says "did you know that smoking weed supports terrorism".  At least that was partially true at the time but not anymore (fat chance trying to get afgan weed into the country nowadays).  But the conterfeit bags argument is absolutely ridiculous.  It seems like the US government is doing everything they can to steer attention away from the real issues and are trying to get people to start comsuming luxury goods again (since there was quite a drop after 9/11).

I just quoted one person but this is to several people. Chomsky refers to Noam, if you had read the previous statement. I just want you all to remember that fakes are BLACK MARKET goods. It is not legal to sell them. So, in general, who do you think that money goes to? The government to provide healthcare to the sick? Not likely. And terrorism exists in places other than the middle east. People sell fakes to fund their own perogatives. And I don't think prada was implying that the selling of fakes is what supports terrorism. Only that money sometimes does go towards that. Like you said, many products go towards it. And you are free to boycott those products based on those grounds, and prada is free to boycott fakes based on her grounds. Maybe she doesn't want to support the black market and what it implies. I'm not saying this in defence of anything just to say that it is common sense. [/b][/quote]
You make a point that people have the freedom to boycott things based on their own reason.

However, anyone who has taken an economics course knows that the underground economy contributes to the world economy. If it were completely eliminated then our world economy would fail. It has existed for as long as government has been around and we still have health care and do just fine.

Although it’s not necessarily a "good thing" in your books doesn’t mean its bad for our economy.

LASTLY and MOST IMPORTANTLY, If you're purchasing goods from countries other than your own, you are taking away from your country's GDP. So unless you live in France and you're buying LV purses then you're not helping you're own country's economy