Abercrombie & Fitch

[faust]

Originally posted by helena@Dec 1 2004, 04:41 PM
I always strive to do my best & to swim upstream. EVEN if that makes life more difficult for me....I ALMOST ALWAYS take the path of most resitance. But ....... what makes that a better choice? It doesn't always make me happier.... It makes life harder on occasion.

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The pointed I am trying to stress is striving to be yourself. It does not necesserily have to a hard path. It just comes out that way, because of the crap society we live in...

 

[orlem]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Dec 1 2004, 03:31 PM
In England A&F is an odd concept - the English upper-middle-class spend most of their teenage years trying to pretend they're poor, IMI...

I'm curious. Is that an old rich reaction to America?

 

[helena]

Originally posted by faust@Dec 1 2004, 05:48 PM
The pointed I am trying to stress is striving to be yourself. It does not necesserily have to a hard path. It just comes out that way, because of the crap society we live in...

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yeh you are right i think. we do live in a crap society in many ways.....

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by helena@Dec 1 2004, 04:41 PM
Sometimes the life of a non-conformist is not always an easy one. To be a successful non-conformist I think its necessary to have an extremely strong sense of self & self worth.

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i couldn't agree more...and i wear my most agressive clothes on days that i feel strong...so i can take all the looks and stares, and possible comments...

but i also find that if i am in a situation that poses some threat to me emotionally, my clothing can act as a suit of armour ...shielding me from possible confrontations with people who don't share my values or point of view...

i think this is a lot of what the 'goth' movement in teenagers is all about, right?...keeping people away who might potentially hurt you...

 

[helena]

Originally posted by softgrey@Dec 1 2004, 06:28 PM
i couldn't agree more...and i wear my most agressive clothes on days that i feel strong...so i can take all the looks and stares, and possible comments...

but i also find that if i am in a situation that poses some threat to me emotionally, my clothing can act as a suit of armour ...shielding me from possible confrontations with people who don't share my values or point of view...

i think this is a lot of what the 'goth' movement in teenagers is all about, right?...keeping people away who might potentially hurt you...

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I suppose you must be right about the goth thing. but there's also the uniform element there too....

I always wear my sharpest suit & least feminine blouse when I am going into a heavy meeting. Thats my armour. I try to shrowd any femininity. When I am having an easier day I wear a skirt & a prettier blouse.

I find all this really intresting buts its so complex....

 

[softgrey]

yes...very complex...but i love the psychology of it all...

but i think we have hi-jacked this thread...sorry hotpinky...i'm still trying to figure out how to split things off once we go off on a tangent...

if you want to start a new topic...i will understand...

otherwise...everyone please feel free to post your response to the original question regarding a&f...

 

[PrinceOfCats]

Originally posted by seraphelle@Dec 1 2004, 05:02 PM


I'm curious. Is that an old rich reaction to America?

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OT:

Probably, unconsciously. The irony is that we try to emulate America at the same time...

 

[Tupolev]

Being a fashion forum, clothing is taken and discussed at a deeper level in the way that it relates to people.
I agree with what is being said, granted.

Sometimes a shirt is just a shirt.

 

[faust]

Originally posted by Tupolev@Dec 1 2004, 06:43 PM
Being a fashion forum, clothing is taken and discussed at a deeper level in the way that it relates to people.
I agree with what is being said, granted.

Sometimes a shirt is just a shirt.

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Absolutely. And those who don't see/care for the beauty of clothes and are concerned with other things that are cultural and deep are much closer to me and respected by me than the poseurs who do. The minute one states that they know and care about fashion is the minute they open themselves up to judgement on that subject.

 

[Johnny]

Originally posted by faust@Dec 2 2004, 09:35 AM
Absolutely. And those who don't see/care for the beauty of clothes and are concerned with other things that are cultural and deep are much closer to me and respected by me than the poseurs who do. The minute one states that they know and care about fashion is the minute they open themselves up to judgement on that subject.

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But you do know and care about fashion don't you Faust. I know I do.

 

[helena]

johnny have you misread what faust meant?

 

[faust]

Originally posted by Johnny@Dec 2 2004, 11:10 AM
But you do know and care about fashion don't you Faust. I know I do.

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Of course. I was referring to the styleless who think they are stylish.

 

[purplelucrezia]

Originally posted by faust@Dec 2 2004, 11:20 AM
Of course.  I was referring to the styleless who think they are stylish.

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But then, how do we define style? Just because it doesn't fit within our little guidelines...

 

[faust]

Originally posted by purplelucrezia@Dec 2 2004, 11:28 AM
But then, how do we define style? Just because it doesn't fit within our little guidelines...

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I don't define style. But I can talk about Quality. See the quote in my signature. I suggest you read the entire book (actually I suggest that book to everyone I meet). There is such a thing as Quality (or beauty, or style), and you can SEE it, but it's undefinable (it may sound absurd, but it makes sense to me). When you look at something, Purple, you KNOW whether something has Quality (you can substitute for beauty, esthetic value, etc...), but sometimes you can't define it, you just know it. How do you know that a logoed LV bag is tacky, and a unique complex McQueen dress is beautiful, almost moving? You kind of just know it. And it translates beyond fashion, or style, or whatever you want to call it. It's about life, really, the world around you. And this is my gripe with the "intellectuals." Why do they see the beauty of literature or painting or sculpture and refuse (yes, REFUSE) to see the beauty of a piece of clothing, the beauty of an athlete catching a ball, the beauty of a feeling you get driving a well-built car, and so on. I think Quality is universal. The same author I quote said (paraphrased), "Buddha is everywhere. To seek beauty only in certain things is to demean the Buddha."

 

[softgrey]

everyone will define it a bit differently , no?...
that's why style is a personal and individual thing...

 

[faust]

Originally posted by softgrey@Dec 2 2004, 11:43 AM
everyone will define it a bit differently , no?...
that's why style is a personal and individual thing...

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Agree, but there is some common ground, not easily definable.

 

[Johnny]

Originally posted by helena@Dec 2 2004, 11:18 AM
johnny have you misread what faust meant?

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erm, sounds like it. oops. Hope no offence was caused. I've been dipping into this between reviewing a contract!

 

[purplelucrezia]

I do agree with you faust, I was really going through one of my annoying phases. One thing that I do have to admit though (and this includes myself), is that we are slight fashion snobs here. As much as I would rather have a piece from an designer rather than a fake LV, and do unconsciously turn up my nose at some trends that are titled as fashion... There are people who get real pleasure from their fakes, or dressing like the others do. It may not be stylish to my eyes, but if it makes them happy, then that's what's important. I've said this before, but to me... true style is what makes you want to just dance! If Uggs and trucker hats make you do that, then I'm not going to stop you. Style is what you make it.

 

[faust]

Originally posted by purplelucrezia@Dec 2 2004, 11:50 AM
I do agree with you faust, I was really going through one of my annoying phases. One thing that I do have to admit though (and this includes myself), is that we are slight fashion snobs here. As much as I would rather have a piece from an designer rather than a fake LV, and do unconsciously turn up my nose at some trends that are titled as fashion... There are people who get real pleasure from their fakes, or dressing like the others do. It may not be stylish to my eyes, but if it makes them happy, then that's what's important. I've said this before, but to me... true style is what makes you want to just dance! If Uggs and trucker hats make you do that, then I'm not going to stop you. Style is what you make it.

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Well, who can argue with that. But I don't think we are snobbish -- it's common knowledge that the taste of the masses is inferior.

 

[purplelucrezia]

Originally posted by faust@Dec 2 2004, 11:58 AM
Well, who can argue with that. But I don't think we are snobbish -- it's common knowledge that the taste of the masses is inferior.

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Oh, totally...