Alber Elbaz - Designer

[fashionista-ta]

^ Sorry, it's not worth money out of my pocket to prove you wrong Thanks to the erstwhile journalist, my spare pennies have to go toward buying Alber's work for Lanvin while I can still get it

 

[Pricciao]

Oh get a life, seriously.

 

[Fashionstuff]

God, really? Do you read what's written a couple posts before yours?
I'm done talking about this part, so I'll see my way out.

Of course i did.

Why she couldn't study a journalism?
I'm sure she had studied.
Maybe she wrote a few articles in her youth. Why not?
Because of millions or billions her father had?
Exactly that's why she had to study, she had a possibility
to do it.
She is 74 years old.


This interview is interesting, wrote in 2012. In *Lunch with FT*
here is only a little part , not from the beginning.

Source: ft.com

Lunch with the FT: Shaw-Lan Wang

By David Pilling
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Madame Wang was born in 1941, the Year of the Snake. Although her family was from the coastal province of Zhejiang, she started out life in Chongqing, the wartime capital after the fall of Nanjing to the Japanese. Her father, a colonel in the army of Chiang Kai-shek, the Guomindang leader, came to Taiwan in 1947. Two years later Chiang himself led a full-scale retreat to the island after being routed by Mao Zedong’s Communist forces.

In 1951, her father founded the United Daily News, a staunch supporter of the Guomindang authoritarian government. Wang, who studied journalism in Taipei, worked as a reporter on the paper. She married an air force pilot and went to live in Switzerland with her husband, where she spent 12 to 15 years. She doesn’t remember exactly. One day, she received a phone call from her father asking her to return to Taiwan and run the paper. “I could not refuse.”

 

[Pricciao]

It's no why she couldn't study journalism, it's that some people already posted it before you did. And I replied.
Then do you think major in journalism making you a journalist?
That FT article, it's through out immature, how this reporter mocked on her behavior through out and gave very few facts, which by the way is the same description as her wikipedia page.

Wikipedia is a site everyone can edit with a certain amount of inspection.
But if you take it as the most reliable source, let's just stop this ridiculous fight. All I'm saying is those 7 amusing facts don't match well what I know about Wang. Save your time to do something better.

 

[Fashionstuff]

It's no why she couldn't study journalism, it's that some people already posted it before you did. And I replied.
Then do you think major in journalism making you a journalist?
That FT article, it's through out immature, how this reporter mocked on her behavior through out and gave very few facts, which by the way is the same description as her wikipedia page.

Wikipedia is a site everyone can edit with a certain amount of inspection.
But if you take it as the most reliable source, let's just stop this ridiculous fight. All I'm saying is those 7 amusing facts don't match well what I know about Wang. Save your time to do something better.

Yes, everyone can write and edit, add ,ect. on Wikipedia.
It's enough to have an account there.
There are the guidelines to carry about and the article must be written in "encyclopedic language" .

If you know more about Wang why you don't edit her "site" on Wikipedia?

 

[Benn98]

It's no why she couldn't study journalism, it's that some people already posted it before you did. And I replied.
Then do you think major in journalism making you a journalist?
That FT article, it's through out immature, how this reporter mocked on her behavior through out and gave very few facts, which by the way is the same description as her wikipedia page.

Wikipedia is a site everyone can edit with a certain amount of inspection.
But if you take it as the most reliable source, let's just stop this ridiculous fight. All I'm saying is those 7 amusing facts don't match well what I know about Wang. Save your time to do something better.

Pricciao, that short article above was never meant as an 'in-depth' bio of Wang, it's just a quick run-though of events relating to the Lanvin debacle. You may very well know much more about her, no doubt due to the fact that Asian press will cover her more often than it's Western counterparts. Also, Wang is super private and her interviews in general are far and few between.

Now I've found another article which, although posted in 09, still paints a clear picture of how things went at the house. Here's two excerpts which stood out to me, but it's better to read the entire article in full:

That blind faith in a designer she knew nothing of, clearly paid off. “I never see a design. Every time we are in a fashion show, I keep a straight face because I have never seen it before! His studio is on the same building – we’re on the second floor, his studio is on the sixth. When it’s almost finished, I just go up and say, “Hiiiiii Alber, How are youuuuuu?” (she says extending the vowels in a sing-song voice). I see a bit. I have never disagreed or disliked his work. Admiration. Only admiration.”

“But I have a lot of reputation with people and they all know me in France. I speak good French, better than English you see? So people ask, whether I can negotiate for them, so I said ok. So this continues, and continues. So the moment we have to sign, this friend says… I don’t want it anymore!”

Taking a pause, Madam Wang unclasps her palms and throws them in the air and continues, “It wasn’t my idea originally to buy Lanvin, but at that moment, what can you do? Cry? Chinese don’t cry. Loss of face. I would lose face. He would lose face. Crying is no use. No, I cannot do that. So I continue. Then I continued as if nothing happened, that’s the history.”

Source: http://ramarights.blogspot.co.za/2009/05/lady-at-lanvin.html

 

[Fashionstuff]

Anyway, it must be court hearing on 17th November at the Tribunal de Grande Instance de Paris.
Somebody knows what's going on there?

 

[Pricciao]

If you know more about Wang why you don't edit her "site" on Wikipedia?

It's not my job. Why you said "site", don't everyone say wiki "page"?

Pricciao, that short article above was never meant as an 'in-depth' bio of Wang, it's just a quick run-though of events relating to the Lanvin debacle.

Did you read it? Here's the link.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Oh get a life, seriously.

I'm saying I have better things to do than engage in this argument, you're continuing to argue, and I'm the one who needs to get a life?


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So this court date is the one with the works council ... I wonder if it required the in-person appearance in Paris they requested? If it was the 17th, shouldn't it be a matter of public record now??

 

[Pricciao]

You kept bringing stuffs to try to prove me I'm wrong. I simply respond cause I need to stick to my words.

 

[eugenius]

I wonder what this all means for Lucas & the menswear side.

Will Lucas continue to design the menswear? Will it still have the same appeal, now that Alber is no longer with the company? Will the company even bother to continue that line? Did anybody even really buy the menswear in the first place?

(These questions, and many more, will be answered in the next episode of..Soap.)

For me, the menwear was one of my favorite shows in years. The clothes ran the gamut to really good to really great..never mediocre to dowright ugly. In the past few years, it was always my "if I had the money.." collection. There's one specific black outfit from SS11 that still captures my attention, and would probably wear as is seen from the show, which I hate, but love in this case.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Very interesting interview linked to above ... thanks for posting that. It's clear how much things have changed ...

Elbaz once commented in the print that Lanvin saved him and Madam Wang jumps in his court, “He is too modest. No, that’s not true. He needed a job, he wanted a job that he loves. A house. Where he would feel at home, not just make money but feel loved. He was a great talent and we needed him as much as he needed us.”

Glamourous as it may be, the cloak and hanger industry is a business that needs to see profits at the end of the day. “But that is the nature of business. Even an artist or a painter has to survive right? We both [Elbaz and Wang] look at the figures, the sales. He passes the boutique everyday and takes a look and asks the chief, which is selling good, what you sell well. Also he looks at the records. I don’t know if other brands encourage that but we do. Alber, he has his artistic character, but he also has a good business mind.”

She doesn't mention it, but it's also well known that he would work in the boutique himself to understand customers better. And I think it really showed in his work ...

 

[Phuel]

eugenius: Wasn’t there a mention upthread that confirmed Lucas would continue designing the menswear line?

I’ve been buying Lanvin menswear every now and then since 2007… I think it’s solid and maybe not as coveted by all the superfuturers as it was back in 2007, but it is still to me.

I do admit the menswear line will feel incomplete in terms of its overall image now that Alber has exited since both mens and women line were always so complimentary to one another. And if the womenswear is replaced by a lesser as Balenciaga had replaced Nicolas with (and possibly an even lesser now…), I think this will tarnish the menswear line’s image.

 

[eizhowa]

It's not my job. Why you said "site", don't everyone say wiki "page"?

I haven't read what you guys are arguing about, but everyone knows that once you start correcting peoples language or grammar, you have lost

 

[Littleathquakes]

I haven't read what you guys are arguing about, but everyone knows that once you start correcting peoples language or grammar, you have lost

I feel like that's a very unfair assessment. I correct language/grammar when I see it because I believe this site, while entertaining, also serves to educate (on all subjects). And not everyone is a native English speaker, so when I do that, I feel like I'm helping that person grow. of course, people can interpret it any other way they like, but I know my intent is sincere.

 

[eizhowa]

^Not when you do it mid-argument against your opponents... Then it is a way of putting people down to give your opinion more weight. If I want my grammar corrected, I will seek out a forum that specializes in language. Speaking good english (I did that on purpose) is completely irrelevant as long as everyone understands you, and you are able to make your point. Calling a "page" a site is not so big an error it MUST be pointed out. An agrument with a small grammatical error is still valid as long as everyone understands it...

And if anything, tfs has helped me to not care about my grammar. I no longer care if what I write is "perfect". It just needs to be good enough.

Maybe Pricciao was trying to be helpful, but I personally doubt it (not that being petty is a criminal offence or anything, we all are from time to time).

 

[Benn98]

Very interesting interview linked to above ... thanks for posting that. It's clear how much things have changed ...

She doesn't mention it, but it's also well known that he would work in the boutique himself to understand customers better. And I think it really showed in his work ...

Good, we're getting somewhere. I think this whole affair is basically just a solid relationship which ran it's course. Neither parties sounds inherently like the 'villain' nor the 'victim', imo. Interested to see how it pans out, no report so far at all.

 

[Fashionstuff]

I'm saying I have better things to do than engage in this argument, you're continuing to argue, and I'm the one who needs to get a life?


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So this court date is the one with the works council ... I wonder if it required the in-person appearance in Paris they requested? If it was the 17th, shouldn't it be a matter of public record now??

I don't know, maybe Lanvin lawyers? I didn't find anything about the court.

I haven't read what you guys are arguing about, but everyone knows that once you start correcting peoples language or grammar, you have lost

^Not when you do it mid-argument against your opponents... Then it is a way of putting people down to give your opinion more weight. If I want my grammar corrected, I will seek out a forum that specializes in language. Speaking good english (I did that on purpose) is completely irrelevant as long as everyone understands you, and you are able to make your point. Calling a "page" a site is not so big an error it MUST be pointed out. An agrument with a small grammatical error is still valid as long as everyone understands it...

And if anything, tfs has helped me to not care about my grammar. I no longer care if what I write is "perfect". It just needs to be good enough.

Maybe Pricciao was trying to be helpful, but I personally doubt it (not that being petty is a criminal offence or anything, we all are from time to time).

I'm doubt too.
I don't know too much about web site structure. If Wikpedia is a site and there is a page about Wang? Can be, i must see first in Wikipedia

Anyway, Lucas Ossendrijver can replace Elbaz, why not...

Source : wwd.com

It is understood management has not yet selected a successor to Elbaz, and will face the task of finding a designer who can re-galvanize a house built around his vision and ebullient personality.

Names on its short list could include young talents like Olivier Rousteing, Simone Rocha, Huishan Zhang and Joseph Altuzarra. Management might also consider Lucas Ossendrijver, tapped by Elbaz in 2005 to rejuvenate Lanvin Homme, echoing his use of couture fabrics and designs etched with industrial detailing. It is understood the Dutchman harbors ambitions to turn his hand to women’s wear.

 

[Littleathquakes]

Maybe Pricciao was trying to be helpful, but I personally doubt it (not that being petty is a criminal offence or anything, we all are from time to time).

It's all in how you interpret it. Even if someone correcting your grammar is aimed at belittling your opinion, you still learned something, no?

 

[eizhowa]

^True. I just don't personally think it is worth correcting people, in most cases.