Celine S/S 2022 Baie des Anges

[Frederic01]

Celine YouTube

 

[SpeedRacer666]

this is incredibly boring and just barely building upon the last two shows. not interested in the incessant pandering with Kaia and K-pop stars, Hedi used to be subversive, cool, and not too long ago spoke out against logos and Instagram high fashion, what happened?

also hopefully this is the last of these pre-recorded shows, the constant camera cuts are nauseating and distracting

 

[Frederic01]

^^ Agree 100%! So repetitive and banal. The last three collections have looked identical.

Slimane must be so mad at Saint Laurent, which looks pretty spectacular and glittering under the reign of Vaccarello. Saint Laurent womenswear is on a different stratosphere compared to Celine womenswear. Anthony has really elevated the aesthetic, especially with his couture inspired volumes. Hedi is still stuck in 2013.

 

[charles01]

^ I was just thinking that.

Looking at Saint Laurent womenswear at the moment, vs looking at Celine’s, it would be hard to imagine that Hedi was once at SL and did a great job.

What a fall from grace! This could be mashed with the past 2 womenswear collections and I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference… I honestly think part of it is that he has too much control. Designing the clothes, styling, photographing campaigns, designing stores etc. It’s sad, because I love his work at SL and Dior Homme.

However, I did quite enjoy the sparkly dresses towards the end of the video. However, nothing will top his F/W 2020 collection for Celine for me.

 

[jeanclaude]

More time spent choosing the next place to show the collection, than actually working in the collection...instead of fashion designers, these days it seems fashion brands are being directed by tourism councils from all over the world!

Really, I don´t care where the new collection is shown...all I care is about the collection itself!

 

[reese06]

More time spent choosing the next place to show the collection, than actually working in the collection...instead of fashion designers, these days it seems fashion brands are being directed by tourism councils from all over the world!

Really, I don´t care where the new collection is shown...all I care is about the collection itself!

He is great at creating sleek videos and an image but the clothes don't hold up. There have been times where I think I want something from Celine but I'm not inspired enough by the pieces in person to actually buy.

Some of the styling tricks were a bit Karl Lagerfeld/Chanel and very obvious.

I have seen more people wearing the ball caps and handbags here in NYC recently.

 

[RedSmokeRise]

Watching Hedi's flop era is depressing

 

[TianCouture]

There's a lot of odd Lagergeld-isms here and I don't like. So help me God if he ever goes to Chanel. The black high/low dress with the denim trousers and cropped tuxedo looking jacket-word by word, play by play...

 

[Norden]

Again, good video.
I really think even with the superficial connections you can’t compare sl with Celine anymore. SL is designed. Celine is more styling. Which has been hedis think since SL. To be honest I see hedis Celine look more on the streets of Europe than SL. I think it taps into what people want to wear wayyyy better. Also in stores it looks beautiful.

I don’t mind his Celine, I think it’s surprisingly discrete if you exclude all this logo crap. His problem is, there is a lack of iconography and moments. Its all very mono, one collection glides into the other. I do wonder how this sells though, I’m observing his look but not necessarily his clothes or bags.

 

[vetements]

Love this! Hedi's Celine has been consistently simple (perhaps with the exception of fw 2019 that shows 70s vibes but done in a simple way), chic and fuss free. I feel that he works on the CONCEPT and attitude of the brand, and his desire for full control of the brand image works very strongly in his favor, like the cinematography and casting here. Some of these clothes may have street vibes but they certainly dont look like what you get from say, off white or louis vuitton.

There is always just one or two elements to it, the glitter, or the silhouttes of the hoodies etc. fact that he likes to design a hoodie can be perhaps easily perceived as lazy than if he were to do a proper blouse that feels more like a high end designer piece (and hence worth the price tag).

"aggressively-designed" clothes we can get from many design schools' students, a slanted pocket, a cut-out shoulder, and I rather have simple chic clothes than design for the sake of design really.

and one thing I am really glad is that he hasnt caved in and collaborated with any up and coming "artists" or some celebs for his clothes, or any other major house til this point in time, that, I give him credit.

 

[disco54]

He is definitely more in touch with today's generation and he is acting to that. I actually like this and I am not a fan of his work for the most part. Shoes could be better.

 

[Lola701]

The thing about Hedi is that ultimately, those are clothes and it’s really hard to say « I hate jeans », « i hate blouses ».
The styling either in the majority of his work is also very hard to hate because he styles people how people already dresses. French women or women period did not wait for him to wear Chanel-like or Chanel jackets with jeans and tshirts with kitten heels…

We have this kind of confusing thing when HF imitates real street-style to sell it to the same people again.

There are some cute things like the brushed cardigan, the strapless sequined top worn with black pants and the pieces themselves are good.

In a way, the promise of Hedi is to sell the total look at one place of the pieces you would buy somewhere else. From a commercial POV it is valid but I’m not touched by it.

I would rather spend my money at Louis Vuitton for pieces for stronger pieces to recreate this kind of feeling. Every time I saw some pieces from Hedi at Celine, I kept thinking that I had pieces like that in my closet already…

But I feel like his Celine is more appealing for someone who likes Isabel Marant, old Chloe and who wants a cleaner version of that aesthetic.

 

[Lola701]

^^ Agree 100%! So repetitive and banal. The last three collections have looked identical.

Slimane must be so mad at Saint Laurent, which looks pretty spectacular and glittering under the reign of Vaccarello. Saint Laurent womenswear is on a different stratosphere compared to Celine womenswear. Anthony has really elevated the aesthetic, especially with his couture inspired volumes. Hedi is still stuck in 2013.

It’s so interesting to see both trajectories. From a financial POV, Hedi and Anthony inherited of almost billion euros brands. Everybody expected Hedi to push Celine to Mars and Saint Laurent to lose it appeal.

It’s so interesting to see that today, Anthony has the most interesting, more appealing vision. Yes the menswear is weak, yes the bags aren’t that great but he is carrying the brand with his clothes and shoes. It’s kinda fabulous that this man can sell clothes to millennials, women my age or even older women without sending hoodies on the runway.

And YSL is doing better than Celine anyway. I have more respect for Hedi but Anthony is just a better womenswear designer.
He can dress Jerry Hall in the same clothes as a Kpop star and she doesn’t look ridiculous at all!

 

[THD96]

I closed the video after 3 minutes and after looking at the clothes on wwd, I'm not missing out much. This collection just blends into his 2 previous collections. The only thing that I can recognize which one is which is the location of the show.

This show is just fan service for all the Lisa fans. It's kinda depressing because Hedi can create a good show on his own. And the camera angles are annoying as hell.

And just because we asked for more from Hedi doesn't mean we want some avant-garde, over-intellectualized clothes. He is doing the bare minimum and I won't praise him for that.

Some of these clothes may have street vibes but they certainly don't look like what you get from say, off white or Louis vuitton

Do you think Nicolas's clothes have the same vibes as Off-white? If you talking about menswear, Celine men are not that different from all those men's streetwear brands. Hedi has a chance to polish his vision for menswear but he decided to go an easy route to chase the Hypebeast logos and stuff.

I prefer designers that willing to take risks and move forward. Like Nicolas and Jonathan at Louis Vuitton and Loewe. Not all of their collections work but they still do it because it's excited them and their clients.

 

[Deleted member 141309]

All the same. Boring and nondescript, elevated H&M at places, but, well, still my cup of tea, because I mentioned before that I hate to be looked at and identified like “Oh, love your F/W 2019 Prada coat!”.

And the point for me would be not that it is outdated by season, I am not trying to appear a millionaire who has the fund to reshuffle my wardrobe monthly… However, it still makes me coexist as a memory, as a flashback to a certain time, and I hate this concept. That’s why I like Hedi’s Celine the most probably, because it is very discreet (usually). For me, it is certainly a nod to Hermes, and these clients just don’t want to be identifiable or identified. Not necessarily everyone on the street would pinpoint some 2008 Walter Van Beirendonck top, but you get the gist.

From this standpoint I believe there are a lot of analysis that is wrong, even though the personal opinion itself could be anything. A lot of people try to compare Celine to SL, or LV, or Gucci, and it is clear why, but it is a different niche by a stratosphere. I also agree that it is bland and too casual, but that is the point, and I grew to look at it at this way - how exciting or fashionable can you make the mundane, and so far it is good, although my favorites are still both 2020 collections.

Also, unfortunately, while Celine fits the mainstream appeal and also delivers certain mode de vie, it is not in the zeitgeist at all. This is probably the reason a lot of people feel distant and turned off, especially since today, more than ever before, it’s either sleek brutal minimalism (Bottega, Prada, Givenchy), sexy comeback (Tom Ford, Blumarine, Versace) or avant-garde circus parade (LV, Loewe, Moschino), and Celine falls out of any of these (like Hermes, actually).

And I also agree with the point that clothes themselves are not exciting, and we as fashion lovers usually don’t want it, but as a person who wears clothing and prefers to sometimes to look boring - the payoff is great. In addition, I also agree that the clothes in the stores do look amazing. Not many brands you can look at and say that you can actually see high quality without touching it, but Celine is there (for me Gucci, Hermes and Loewe are too).

 

[Lola701]

I prefer designers that willing to take risks and move forward. Like Nicolas and Jonathan at Louis Vuitton and Loewe. Not all of their collections work but they still do it because it's excited them and their clients.

I’m the same.
Sometimes, I feel like people think that loving a collection is just being able to wear the head to toe runway look and so for them, it’s difficult to imagine JWA or Nicolas’s Vuitton function in anyone’s wardrobe. But the same can be said about others…

I’ll speak for me. I love Nicolas Ghesquiere but buying Vuitton for example doesn’t mean looking like the runway and trying to compete with MAS with the pile of stuff styling. It’s really about the idea of finding that amazing piece that you will integrate in your wardrobe.

For me that’s what is missing from Hedi. Even if you don’t push fashion forward, push yourself!
I wasn’t a fan at all of his work at YSL overall. But there was one show that had a sequined red and white Breton top and a sequined dress. It felt special enough. The same for Raf. I didn’t liked his work at Dior but when I saw his Bar pantsuits, I had to have it!

But ultimately, fashion is really personal after all. There are people who wants from designers the elevated version of their own style. I don’t need to go to Celine for a pair of jeans…I would rather spend those 550 euros elsewhere.

But when it comes to menswear, I can totally get it. The options are propositions aren’t that easy to find in terms of equivalent.

 

[Phuel]

Just invest in the leathers. The rest of this (including the common-looking sequins) can easily be snatched up at Zara for a fraction of a fraction of the ridiculous Celine pricetag, and none would be the wiser.

Someone here had mentioned that Celine is pretty much just an offensively overpriced A.P.C., and the womenswear— or more preciously, the juniorwear cuz this is blatantly begging for the rich Asian teen market, is indeed very much A.P.C. late-2000s when A.P.C. was actually making coveted pieces (and if they ever did have a women’s line). His Celine men’s (or again, boys) is so much stronger in its presentation in how graphic, hyperstylized it remains. The banality of the womenswear is coming off more and more as coasting by its name than ever before. Rather pathetic that his once brilliance with YSL Men/Dior Homme/SLP is only a distant memory and has faded into this subirban-fodder outlet offering in 2022. But I guess if basic varsity jackets/baseball caps/hoodies and Nike Air Force 1 07 rip-offs are what moves, then that’s what he has to hustle for the corporate overlords.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

juniorwear

tbh thats probably who he's aiming for. materialistic children of billionaires

 

[LostInNJ]

Just invest in the leathers. The rest of this (including the common-looking sequins) can easily be snatched up at Zara for a fraction of a fraction of the ridiculous Celine pricetag, and none would be the wiser.

Well...aren't we supposed to not be supporting "fast fashion" anyway lol?

An interesting perspective from HFT Instagram (hope I'm doing this correctly)



"Finally the clothes, what people will compare to Zara yet Hedi never falters from is a form of anonymous luxury; let people think it’s Zara, but the people who do know, know; and more importantly you know. The Celine pieces will be much greater quality with better craftsmanship; hand sequining, fine materials, robust trims; so what does it matter if it looks like zara? It might even avoid you getting mugged. It’s an old idea of luxury, but it’s not irrelevant."

 

[SpeedRacer666]

Well...aren't we supposed to not be supporting "fast fashion" anyway lol?

An interesting perspective from HFT Instagram (hope I'm doing this correctly)



"Finally the clothes, what people will compare to Zara yet Hedi never falters from is a form of anonymous luxury; let people think it’s Zara, but the people who do know, know; and more importantly you know. The Celine pieces will be much greater quality with better craftsmanship; hand sequining, fine materials, robust trims; so what does it matter if it looks like zara? It might even avoid you getting mugged. It’s an old idea of luxury, but it’s not irrelevant."

did this person even watch the video? Kaia and Lisa are constantly being flashed, Lisa even has her own "runway" to separate her from the other models. It's clearly highlighting and showing them off.

also "avoid you getting mugged" ????