Daniel Lee - Designer, Creative Director of Burberry

[Xone]

And it’s also that people may also be fed up by others bullshits.
Sometimes in fashion, personalities clashes. And people have personal goals and interests and it’s sad but a co-worker we got along very well may be our enemy next.
I mean we saw it with Carine and Emmanuelle too and I have heard and witness a lot of situations too.

And I have always said that: the worst thing about fashion is that it’s a field where it’s impossible to separate life and work.


Nevertheless, I love Lee and Blazy. I wish Blazy all the success at Chanel but equally I wish that Lee will finally find a house where he can exploit all his potential

@Lola701 you are back! your comments were missed!

yes, fashion is a rarity in many forms..

Hopefully they will got what they deserve!

 

[proseccotabis]

yeah because people got better on their shady behaviour lol...and when money and power is at risk makes everything worse, but then all of them pose for pictures like nothing...like gossip girl characters lol...

It’s savage. I know people that worker their *** off in fashion schools, worked for a coveted promotion for many years and then one day went full nomad and went on to teach yoga in subtropics somewhere and do silent retreats and go to therapy. Thats fashion and it’s politics for ya kids don’t do it !! Lol

 

[Nimsay]

Yeah. Off hand it’s pretty clear Matthieu Blazy ran Kering. He got the job he wanted and dumped Kering without a second thought.

Kering cannot afford good managers….I said this last year. At this point all theyre getting is the C List. These are getting their first opportunity only because Gucci is failing - LVMH wouldn’t hire them in these roles. Kering has to because The A and B List Managers aren’t picking up Gucci’s calls in 2025.

Kering has to worry about these C List managers parting the brand out because Kering has no Bruno Pavlovsky to shepherd the brand. The revolving door means no loyalty and they will gut the conglomerate for a buck.

 

[proseccotabis]

Yeah. Off hand it’s pretty clear Matthieu Blazy ran Kering. He got the job he wanted and dumped Kering without a second thought.

Kering cannot afford good managers….I said this last year. At this point all theyre getting is the C List. These are getting their first opportunity only because Gucci is failing - LVMH wouldn’t hire them in these roles. Kering has to because The A and B List Managers aren’t picking up Gucci’s calls in 2025.

Kering has to worry about these C List managers parting the brand out because Kering has no Bruno Pavlovsky to shepherd the brand. The revolving door means no loyalty and they will gut the conglomerate for a buck.

Such an interesting comment. Thank you! And other conglomerates? Their managers are just as mediocre as those in Kering? Are they good for LVMH? don't want to divert the thread to another theme, but curious as you know this topic well it seems!

 

[Nimsay]

Omg I thought I posted this in the gucci thread…. I was looking for it. I’ll move this over to the kering thread.

 

[justpassingthrough]

This thread is giving me anxiety idk why lmao

 

[reese06]

This thread is giving me anxiety idk why lmao

On a level of 1 to 10… are you Kristin Stewart awkward red carpet anxiety or Daniel Lee-let’s say “high energy” after a runway show interview?

 

[JohannesL]

Now I am skeptical about whether MB was in a relationship with Pieter so he could join the Raf gang!

 

[oioioi]

Now I am skeptical about whether MB was in a relationship with Pieter so he could join the Raf gang!

That seems quite a stretch.

 

[Phuel]

I mean we saw it with Carine and Emmanuelle too and I have heard and witness a lot of situations too.

And I have always said that: the worst thing about fashion is that it’s a field where it’s impossible to separate life and work.

Usually, the infighting amongst fashion people is of no interest to me. But, there’s just something about Carine and Emmanuelle’s fallout and the Sith-like apprentice-overthrowing-the-master scenario with these two that’s intriguingly epic in all its fashiondom rivalry/betrayal/meangirlness. If only someone could wrangle and conjure this high fashion tale of tales into a series. Because as a cautionary tale, once one has made it in as part of the fashion insider— one becomes rather… creepy. This attitude of perpetual, juvenile behaviour festering amongst an elite, privileged group; viewing so highly of themselves as highly-evolved with a sophisticated demeanour, but shows their true behaviour with petty squabbles and immature tantrums that’s no different than minimum-wage labourers fighting over meagre benefits. People are really all the same, and no amount of coveted, expensive and silly high fashion adornments will ever erase how cheap some will always be, underneath it all.

Anyway, supposed loathsome attitude/personality aside, whichever unfortunate label he’s infesting onto next will inevitably need to invest the millions to hype his meagre talent: Bloated celeb-castings for campaigns; advertorials in Asian fashion rags; features in other fashion rags etc etc to convince the casual fashion shopper to spend on more overpriced and tedious gimmickwear. No doubt it’ll be more crass oversized Dr. Seuss designs, with overblown logo/monogram/signature prints in the most obnoxious color-palette that can be seen miles away— and all having shorter shelf-date than lettuce. And if all of that doesn’t work, he’ll resort back to his Banana Republic separates that really is his foundation. And just like Raf, he’ll be allowed to plague and ruin a brand then move on to the next— just like locusts. Hopefully he can end up at Prada and him and Raf can implode the brand and finally put Prada out of its megacorporate misery.

 

[Lola701]

Usually, the infighting amongst fashion people is of no interest to me. But, there’s just something about Carine and Emmanuelle’s fallout and the Sith-like apprentice-overthrowing-the-master scenario with these two that’s intriguingly epic in all its fashiondom rivalry/betrayal/meangirlness. If only someone could wrangle and conjure this high fashion tale of tales into a series. Because as a cautionary tale, once one has made it in as part of the fashion insider— one becomes rather… creepy. This attitude of perpetual, juvenile behaviour festering amongst an elite, privileged group; viewing so highly of themselves as highly-evolved with a sophisticated demeanour, but shows their true behaviour with petty squabbles and immature tantrums that’s no different than minimum-wage labourers fighting over meagre benefits. People are really all the same, and no amount of coveted, expensive and silly high fashion adornments will ever erase how cheap some will always be, underneath it all.

Anyway, supposed loathsome attitude/personality aside, whichever unfortunate label he’s infesting onto next will inevitably need to invest the millions to hype his meagre talent: Bloated celeb-castings for campaigns; advertorials in Asian fashion rags; features in other fashion rags etc etc to convince the casual fashion shopper to spend on more overpriced and tedious gimmickwear. No doubt it’ll be more crass oversized Dr. Seuss designs, with overblown logo/monogram/signature prints in the most obnoxious color-palette that can be seen miles away— and all having shorter shelf-date than lettuce. And if all of that doesn’t work, he’ll resort back to his Banana Republic separates that really is his foundation. And just like Raf, he’ll be allowed to plague and ruin a brand then move on to the next— just like locusts. Hopefully he can end up at Prada and him and Raf can implode the brand and finally put Prada out of its megacorporate misery.

The Carine and Emmanuelle story is rather simple to me. Those were 2 women who despite their very bourgeois upbringing were after all very different. And while it worked for several years, at some point it didn’t.

Emmanuelle came to Vogue after having being the EIC of 20 and and the Fashion Director of EIC of Mixte (I don’t remember what was her position there). So she had an ambition as a journalist working for publication.

Carine, if she wasn’t who she is and with her accolades already at that time, was a « popularity hire ». She was the most influential stylist of that time, who happened to have worked for Vogue US, Vogue Paris, ELLE and some others edgy publications.

Running a magazine wasn’t Carine’s ambition. But the opportunity presented itself and she accepted. God can only imagine sometimes the dramas in those offices with all those powerful women who were somehow equal. Yes Emmanuelle became a star when she started to style Chanel campaigns but essentially, MAS, Carine and EA were strong voices.

Carine got a pass for a lot of things that an EIC of a magazine like Vogue would have never done: she was still a consultant for Gucci and YSL under Tom, she styled Karl’s campaign for H&M, she did a collab for cashmere sweaters, she was a consultant for Riccardo…etc.
We all love Carine but it didn’t really read « serious editor ».

I think it was too much ego. Emmanuelle wanted the position, Carine was known to not spend a lot of time in the offices.
And behind Emmanuelle Little schemes with Romatet, I think Carine was maybe less enchanted by the perspective of spending time at Vogue.

So Emmanuelle finally got the job she wanted. Unfortunately, Anna Wintour ended the journey.

And to add insult to injury, it was almost shady to include Carine and not Emmanuelle in the Vogue World event.

 

[Phuel]

^^^ Epic! And as if all the drama amongst these talents weren’t enough of a battle royale, Sith Lord Anna striking down Emmanuelle’s tenor just takes this beyond.

Even if Carine was a popularity hire— and these sorts of positions usually involve popularity— even in the best of times, she more than earned her keep. Whatever I may deem her nowadays, she and her Vogue went out untarnished, unscathed and untouchable. Her team was undisputed. Talent of their calibre just simply does not exist— or allowed to exist in the industry nowadays.

 

[proseccotabis]

^^^ Epic! And as if all the drama amongst these talents weren’t enough of a battle royale, Sith Lord Anna striking down Emmanuelle’s tenor just takes this beyond.

Even if Carine was a popularity hire— and these sorts of positions usually involve popularity— even in the best of times, she more than earned her keep. Whatever I may deem her nowadays, she and her Vogue went out untarnished, unscathed and untouchable. Her team was undisputed. Talent of their calibre just simply does not exist— or allowed to exist in the industry nowadays.

Carine's charisma alone is necessary in this industry!!!

 

[Lola701]

^^^ Epic! And as if all the drama amongst these talents weren’t enough of a battle royale, Sith Lord Anna striking down Emmanuelle’s tenor just takes this beyond.

Even if Carine was a popularity hire— and these sorts of positions usually involve popularity— even in the best of times, she more than earned her keep. Whatever I may deem her nowadays, she and her Vogue went out untarnished, unscathed and untouchable. Her team was undisputed. Talent of their calibre just simply does not exist— or allowed to exist in the industry nowadays.

Exactly.
For me VP by Carine is the magazine, the voice of fashion in the 2000’s. It’s the magazine that defines that era the most.
Vogue US became much more of a lifestyle and mix between commerce and Art. Vogue Italia was about Meisel after all and photography and Vogue Paris was pure fashion!

But it was a gamble to give the magazine to a stylist. Ok Babeth Djian created Numero and was a stylist for Vogue Paris before but she has been at Mixte and created her magazine, JILL.

But between Carine and Emmanuelle, Carine was probably the less legitimate to take over the position.
I suspect that the bond they have created in the beginning was for the fact that they had mutual friends, circles and Emmanuelle who knew how to run a magazine was probably a good help for Carine.

Vogue Paris was a constant conflict of interest. And Carine challenged a lot of what a fashion journalist, EIC could do. I mean, she styled her first cover, put Kate Moss in it, Kate who was also the Gucci girl for the SS2001…Gucci which bought Balenciaga, a show Kate was the star off, which had for stylist MAS who also was an editor at VP.

I believe that Carine never became an EIC in her head. She probably struggled to be the boss. At some point they had to clash. You cannot be the boss and do the same thing as your number 2.

In the US, UK and Italy, they had a journalist, a superior voice to temper the egos. The staff of those magazines weren’t doing consulting jobs on the side like that (except maybe in the uk with Lucinda).

But nevertheless they gave us a great magazine.
And to tie that to Lee and Blazy, it was probably the same. Working together for Phoebe to then compete at BV changed something.