Discussion: The State of Kering

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nationalsalt said:
I'm curious, why does Kering release sales reports for individual brands, unlike LVMH?
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Because Lvmh does hidden promotions to keep up the sales with consensus so they don't want to disclose margins or quality of earnings. Otherwise analyst would discover they are severely diluting most of their brands
 
yslforever said:
Because they are much smaller and not so many divisions, Kering is luxury fashion & leather goods only, while half of LVMH is jewelry (Bulgari, Tiffany's), distribution, alcohol, watches too.
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They provide datas by sector (alcohol, jewelry, fashion and leather) but not by single brands.
It's not because they are bigger, even Kering don't disclose all the brands but the most important ones.
Lvmh don't do it so they can get away with lower quality of earnings and no margins disclosure. That's because they do several hidden sales promotions on selected items and locations hence diluting brands.
 
Frederic01 said:
The faith they have in Sabato de Sarno and the turnaround of Gucci is getting quite ridiculous at this point. I don't know what more proof they need that it's just not going to work?

His contract is either airtight or they are waiting for a free agent because no other explanation makes sense.
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My thoughts: we are going to have Sabato at least two years.
Replacing him now would send the information that Gucci is a mess. That would be fatal.
Remember those two years at Lanvin after Alber was fired, with Bouchra coming in, then quitting, then another guy, then...?
Would you invest in such a chaos?

Keep Sabato. Surround him with efficient, clever, focused, top professionals.
Gucci is right now like a historical protected building. Do whatever you want inside but don't touch the fassade.

The imperial phase at Balenciaga had Nicolas at the helm, but let's not forget that Bouchra Jarrar, Charlotte Chesnais, Antonin Tron, Julien Dossena, Bruno Sailleli, Pierre Hardy... were working with him.
A talented team can do wonders.

As I see it, it is either that or more musical chairs, more confusion, more insecurity and more struggle.
And Gucci struggling is... sad.
 
Monsieur Cristobal said:
My thoughts: we are going to have Sabato at least two years.
Replacing him now would send the information that Gucci is a mess. That would be fatal.
Remember those two years at Lanvin after Alber was fired, with Bouchra coming in, then quitting, then another guy, then...?
Would you invest in such a chaos?

Keep Sabato. Surround him with efficient, clever, focused, top professionals.
Gucci is right now like a historical protected building. Do whatever you want inside but don't touch the fassade.

The imperial phase at Balenciaga had Nicolas at the helm, but let's not forget that Bouchra Jarrar, Charlotte Chesnais, Antonin Tron, Julien Dossena, Bruno Sailleli, Pierre Hardy... were working with him.
A talented team can do wonders.

As I see it, it is either that or more musical chairs, more confusion, more insecurity and more struggle.
And Gucci struggling is... sad.
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Gucci in its Balenciaga x Wang years :-)

I think from January 2025 first quarter of the year will mark if it will be more of ancora or no more ancora

but i disagree that adding a team around a person like Ancora guy will turn things around to the extent that it will be a successful tenure.

there is no vision!!!!!! no matter who you put there to feed it or maximize it, you see Nicolas continue at LV and is still successful, while the team moved on with lesser success besides P Hardy at Hermes being comfortable.

A creative director has to have a vision that resonates so clear and profoundly to cause a shift in culture or be part of the zeitgeist.

It's like trying to make Philipp Plein become Miuccia Prada by installing a whole crew of designers and art directors and merch & marketing teams in order to have same level outcome.

At a point potential just turns into simply impossible.
 
Monsieur Cristobal said:
Replacing him now would send the information that Gucci is a mess. That would be fatal.
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Gucci is a mess since Ancora Guy arrived, that´s not a secret, everybody knows that. They are already into the "fatal phase".
It´s worst keeping him, because he is a lost cause; and all they are going to achieve from him is killing Gucci´s image more and more. So it is better to replace him asap, because someone new could give hope to investors. With Sabato Gucci is doomed. Like the Titanic and the iceberg...
 
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Abracai said:
Because Lvmh does hidden promotions to keep up the sales with consensus so they don't want to disclose margins or quality of earnings. Otherwise analyst would discover they are severely diluting most of their brands
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Abracai said:
They provide datas by sector (alcohol, jewelry, fashion and leather) but not by single brands.
It's not because they are bigger, even Kering don't disclose all the brands but the most important ones.
Lvmh don't do it so they can get away with lower quality of earnings and no margins disclosure. That's because they do several hidden sales promotions on selected items and locations hence diluting brands.
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interesting! in regards to fashion and jewelry, can you please expand on this and give examples? specifically with dior, lv, tiffanys, and others? or are you talking about their spirit (alcohol) brands?

they let off white go, which i thought was a smart decision. there was no way that brand could sustain itself.

what do you believe is the real valuation of certain LVMH brands? and comparably to kering, is the group in bad shape and just keeping up a facade that it's a powerhouse train moving forward with lots of fuel in its tank? how badly are they wounded, too?
 
in better shape than Kering and Burberry, because their portfolio is more diverse.
They have Sephora and strong cosmetics and beauty brands, like Guerlain and Dior.
They have alcohols, press, even yatches I think...

But it is not an easy time for almost everybody in the luxury world.
 
Full report from Kering:
Monday, November 18, 2024
Kering appoints new CEOs at Saint Laurent and Balenciaga

Kering today announced the appointment of Cédric Charbit as CEO of Saint Laurent and Gianfranco Gianangeli as CEO of Balenciaga, effective January 2, 2025. Both will report to Francesca Bellettini, Kering Deputy CEO in charge of Brand Development, who from then on will be entirely dedicated to the development of all Kering Fashion, Leather Goods and Jewelry Houses.

Cédric Charbit joined Kering in 2012 as Product Strategy Director of Saint Laurent after extensive experience in the luxury industry and became CEO of Balenciaga in 2016. Cédric’s mission as the new CEO of Saint Laurent succeeding Francesca Bellettini will be to leverage his expertise and leadership to further develop the iconic Parisian House, building on its unique positioning, heritage, and identity.

Gianfranco Gianangeli has solid experience in the luxury industry, having worked for several renowned Italian and French luxury houses, notably in merchandising and retail functions and as CEO of Maison Margiela. Most recently, he was Chief Commercial Officer of Saint Laurent. Now succeeding Cédric Charbit at the helm of Balenciaga, his task will be to continue strengthening and expanding the House’s reach and renown.

"I am proud to announce the appointment of Cédric as CEO of Saint Laurent. With his profound understanding of the House and of its unique identity, Cédric is exceptionally prepared to drive the continued growth and success of Saint Laurent. Equally, I am confident that Gianfranco is the ideal leader to succeed Cédric as CEO of Balenciaga. Gianfranco’s extensive expertise and vision make him the perfect choice to further elevate the House and build on its remarkable achievements. Having had the privilege of knowing and working closely with both Cédric and Gianfranco for many years, I have no doubts they are the best choices to take the helm of Saint Laurent and Balenciaga. I am certain they will excel in their new roles, guiding their respective Houses toward even greater success”, said Francesca Bellettini, Kering Deputy CEO in charge of Brand Development.

François-Henri Pinault, Chairman & CEO of Kering, stated: “These evolutions further reinforce our organization. With Francesca Bellettini fully dedicated to her role as Kering Deputy CEO in charge of Brand Development, including the Jewelry Houses, and Jean-Marc Duplaix – whose role, as Kering Deputy CEO and Chief Operating Officer, is to ensure that all corporate departments work together efficiently and support all brands to achieve Kering’s strategic goals – we have the right leadership team in place to address current industry challenges and set the pace for long-term growth.”

About Cédric Charbit
Cédric Charbit began his career at Printemps in 2001, where he held various roles before becoming Deputy Director and General Merchandising Manager. In 2009, he was appointed Deputy Chief Executive of Pucci, part of the LVMH group, based in Italy. In 2012, Cédric joined Saint Laurent in Paris as Product Strategy Director and later became Executive Vice President, overseeing Product, Retail Merchandising, and Communication. In 2016, he was appointed President and CEO of Balenciaga, where he expanded the brand's presence and relaunched its Haute Couture. In July 2019, Cédric joined the Kering Executive Committee.

About Gianfranco Gianangeli
Gianfranco Gianangeli began his career at Bottega Veneta in 2006. He held different roles in Merchandising, leading to Merchandising Director of Men's categories and then becoming General Merchandising Manager in Japan. In 2011, he was appointed Associate International Director at Prada, before joining Givenchy in 2013 as Global Retail Director. In 2017 he joined his namesake knitwear manufacturing company, Gianangeli Srl, in Italy, as Owner and CEO. In 2020 he was appointed CEO of Maison Margiela, before joining Saint Laurent in September 2023 as Chief Commercial Officer.
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