Fashion Gets Political

[softgrey]

Originally posted by faust@May 26th, 2004 - 2:10 pm
undershirt-and-panty combos that range from a concise "f*ck Bush" to a saucier "The Only Bush I Trust Is My Own" to our personal favorite, "Keep Your Laws Off My f*cking Body."

oh yah...great political statement...wear your political views onder your clothes so that no one will see them ...i don't see how this is making a statement if no one sees it...unless of course you're a hooker... if you want to make a statement...donate $20 to the campaign of your coice...i choose the lesser of the two evils...kerry...

i actually styled the poster for that michael moore film...it felt good...that made me feel like i was part of the political process even if I was just getting clothes and props(remember when i bought the surfboard?)...at least it was for a project that i believed in...makes my job seem less frivolous somehow...

fashion used to be so much more political...punk was a great example of that...i used to think you could change the world through music and fashion...i've always tried to make some sort of statement with my personal wardrobe and my work...problem is...i don't think anyone's really listening or looking...they are too mesmerized by the bleached hair and bronzed boobs in the media to pay attention to real issues...

 

[faust]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@May 27th, 2004 - 6:19 am

You don't need that keen of an eye to tell the man is a complete utter moron.

You don't need that keen an eye to tell that the leader of one of the most powerful political parties in the world is certainly not a moron. He may not be an intellectual giant but he assuredly is not a moron. Why would an ex-Field Marshal; a Princeton scholarship boy; a doctor of economics and ex-CEO of a major transport company; a doctor of law; and a top lawyer who graduated with honours from Yale be lead by a complete idiot?

It's commonplace that those with inferior intelligence lead the more intelligent ones, it's not about intelligence (and btw, see the quote in my sig, some food for thought). Just look at the corporate world.

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by faust+May 27th, 2004 - 9:42 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (faust @ May 27th, 2004 - 9:42 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PrinceOfCats@May 27th, 2004 - 6:19 am

You don't need that keen of an eye to tell the man is a complete utter moron.

You don't need that keen an eye to tell that the leader of one of the most powerful political parties in the world is certainly not a moron. He may not be an intellectual giant but he assuredly is not a moron. Why would an ex-Field Marshal; a Princeton scholarship boy; a doctor of economics and ex-CEO of a major transport company; a doctor of law; and a top lawyer who graduated with honours from Yale be lead by a complete idiot?

It's commonplace that those with inferior intelligence lead the more intelligent ones, it's not about intelligence (and btw, see the quote in my sig, some food for thought). Just look at the corporate world. [/b][/quote]
i agree...what intelligent person would want the job of leader of the free world?....that's got to be a suck-o job...

power hungry macho morons go for that kind of stuff...not brainiacs...

 

[helena]

Originally posted by Amelié@May 27th, 2004 - 9:56 am


and DITTO!!! helena...i can't believe your country is not releasing it!!! Michael Moore is amazing, and being a fan of his films i totally am on ur wavelength...America is starting to make other democracies look very bad...

Just for the record, I am not american, i am British. I hope that the film is released this autumn in the Uk.

There is a lot of stuff on this thread that I am really not following as a non-american.

 

[softgrey]

don't worry helena...you're not the only non-american...and orochian...who is apparently very passionate on this issue is canadian...i believe...

 

[PrinceOfCats]

Originally posted by softgrey+May 27th, 2004 - 9:45 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (softgrey @ May 27th, 2004 - 9:45 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by faust@May 27th, 2004 - 9:42 am
<!--QuoteBegin-PrinceOfCats

@May 27th, 2004 - 6:19 am

You don't need that keen of an eye to tell the man is a complete utter moron.

You don't need that keen an eye to tell that the leader of one of the most powerful political parties in the world is certainly not a moron. He may not be an intellectual giant but he assuredly is not a moron. Why would an ex-Field Marshal; a Princeton scholarship boy; a doctor of economics and ex-CEO of a major transport company; a doctor of law; and a top lawyer who graduated with honours from Yale be lead by a complete idiot?

It's commonplace that those with inferior intelligence lead the more intelligent ones, it's not about intelligence (and btw, see the quote in my sig, some food for thought). Just look at the corporate world.

i agree...what intelligent person would want the job of leader of the free world?....that's got to be a suck-o job...

power hungry macho morons go for that kind of stuff...not brainiacs...

[/b][/quote]
Yes, Bush isn't an intellectual but neither is he an idiot and his administration has plenty of people who are obviously very intelligent - Juris Doctorates aren't handed out like candy... I think Bush deserves respect and serious criticism if for his power alone - like I said, note lack of legend 'Hitler, he's only got one ball!' on the deathplace of one of the most evil men to have lived...

And I've been to America only once and I'd vote democrat without even thinking if I was American, just for the record...

 

[purplelucrezia]

Now I don't want to get involved here, but I thought that it was only appropriate to post these. Fashion and politics combined...

 

[banana]

I'm Canadian too.

faust: Idiots don't rule the corporate world, psychopaths do.

 

[purplelucrezia]

A bit hard to read, but still enjoyable...

 

[Orochian]

Originally posted by Amelié+May 27th, 2004 - 8:56 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Amelié @ May 27th, 2004 - 8:56 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PrinceOfCats@May 27th, 2004 - 6:19 am
You don't need that keen an eye to tell that the leader of one of the most powerful political parties in the world is certainly not a moron. He may not be an intellectual giant but he assuredly is not a moron. Why would an ex-Field Marshal; a Princeton scholarship boy; a doctor of economics and ex-CEO of a major transport company; a doctor of law; and a top lawyer who graduated with honours from Yale be lead by a complete idiot?

It's called he has the right collection, money and power...these people are not nesscesarily smart (nor dumb) but it's obvious he wouldn't be where he is today without them...

and DITTO!!! helena...i can't believe your country is not releasing it!!! Michael Moore is amazing, and being a fan of his films i totally am on ur wavelength...America is starting to make other democracies look very bad... [/b][/quote]
You said it there for me. His presidency isn't one of his scarce accomplishments; it's one of his vastly undeserved privileges. And as far as I'm concerned, he didn't win the election anyway.

As for his level of intellectual competency, I suppose everything is relative. Compared to the vast majority of political leaders he is certainly not the brightest bulb of the lot in my (and many others') book.

 

[Orochian]

Originally posted by softgrey@May 27th, 2004 - 9:47 am
don't worry helena...you're not the only non-american...and orochian...who is apparently very passionate on this issue is canadian...i believe...

:embarrassed:

Yeah, I'm perhaps more passionate about this issue than I should be, much more so than about the politics of my own country.

But what happens in the States arguably affects Canadians even more profoundly than our local events - and seeing how badly things have gone since the current administration took over, it's hard not to take a firm stance, even from across the boarder.

 

[Orochian]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@May 27th, 2004 - 9:54 am
And I've been to America only once and I'd vote democrat without even thinking if I was American, just for the record...

If ideologically you are a democrat, I can't for the life of me fathom how you'd condone or even support Bush's rhetorics, beliefs, and actions as President.

Oh shucks, looks like this is going to turn into a full fledged political debate afterall.

 

[faust]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@May 27th, 2004 - 9:54 am
Juris Doctorates aren't handed out like candy...

You'd be surprised...

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by banana@May 27th, 2004 - 10:00 am
I'm Canadian too.

faust: Idiots don't rule the corporate world, psychopaths do.

banana...i think you may be right about that... all my experiences with corporate america have been slightly horrifying...people lose their humanity...it's not a pretty picture...


lallaaalala...oh....the freelance life for me......

 

[PrinceOfCats]

Originally posted by Orochian+May 27th, 2004 - 11:03 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Orochian @ May 27th, 2004 - 11:03 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-PrinceOfCats@May 27th, 2004 - 9:54 am
And I've been to America only once and I'd vote democrat without even thinking if I was American, just for the record...

If ideologically you are a democrat, I can't for the life of me fathom how you'd condone or even support Bush's rhetorics, beliefs, and actions as President.

Oh shucks, looks like this is going to turn into a full fledged political debate afterall. [/b][/quote]
As you believe yourself to have a keen eye (I sense) it trouble me to see that you think I either condone or support Bush... I have never stated such. In fact I clearly illustrated my belief that people with power deserve respect - not admiration. You have to respect say...Osama Bin Laden...as a serious threat to democracy. Like I said the The Second Worl War wasn't won by going around whistling 'Hitler, he's only got one ball / The other it's in the Albert Hall / His mother (the dirty bugger) / Bit it off when he was small!'. It was won by a few billion dollars, tens of millions of Russians and some British, Empire and American soldiers...

 

[banana]

My mom read some psychology book for a course she was taking about psychopaths. A lot of them are highly intelligent and can live amongst us and even excel in our society. An example they used was corporate executives because a lot of the time they must lack morals to get results. According to her book my ex is also a psychopath, so I think it's a fairly credible source.

:embarrassed:

Yeah, I'm perhaps more passionate about this issue than I should be, much more so than about the politics of my own country

You bloody well should be. Especially now that we have a conservative wolf in liberal sheep's clothing running the country.

 

[helena]

Originally posted by softgrey@May 27th, 2004 - 10:47 am
don't worry helena...you're not the only non-american...and orochian...who is apparently very passionate on this issue is canadian...i believe...

I suppose I am not really following the harvard stuff & whilst we in the UK are fully aware of your elections coming up we aren't following it so closely yet(i'm sure it will come).

I can certainly say that just because someone is a top lawyer doesn't make them clever or particularly informed - I know plenty...

 

[PrinceOfCats]

I can certainly say that just because someone is a top lawyer doesn't make them clever or particularly informed - I know plenty...

In the UK:

You need a degree (not mandatory but most QCs do) from a top university to take silk and you can't bribe your way into the top establishments in the UK...Oxbridge and Durham law schools require a triple A grade as a base entry, you're daddy can't make a 'donation' etc. you need a triple A to get an interview (unless you come from a disadvantaged background).

 

[Orochian]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@May 27th, 2004 - 11:48 am

I can certainly say that just because someone is a top lawyer doesn't make them clever or particularly informed - I know plenty...

In the UK:

You need a degree (not mandatory but most QCs do) from a top university to take silk and you can't bribe your way into the top establishments in the UK...Oxbridge and Durham law schools require a triple A grade as a base entry, you're daddy can't make a 'donation' etc. you need a triple A to get an interview (unless you come from a disadvantaged background).

Bush was a self-admitted C student in Yale. And that's already with his family connections taken into account.

Most respected MBA programmes, Harvard in particular, require an outstanding level of academic achievements for their applicants, in addition to other credentials. Hence, as I've said earlier in this thread, it's an open secret what got him into the School in the first place.

As for how he finished the programme, consider this. I have a friend who's currently pursuing an MBA in Wharton's, and while grades are handed out fairly in general, students with particular backgrounds and connections are almost guaranteed a certain level of academic standing regardless of their performance, because, in one of his professor's words, they "know who's going to be the CEOs in the future."

May be I made an erroneous assumption in thinking that you condone or support Bush's policies. But it sure struck me a little odd that you felt the need to defend him and his presidency, especially when you're not exactly familiar with the circumstances under which he came into prominence.

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@May 27th, 2004 - 11:48 am

I can certainly say that just because someone is a top lawyer doesn't make them clever or particularly informed - I know plenty...

In the UK:

You need a degree (not mandatory but most QCs do) from a top university to take silk and you can't bribe your way into the top establishments in the UK...Oxbridge and Durham law schools require a triple A grade as a base entry, you're daddy can't make a 'donation' etc. you need a triple A to get an interview (unless you come from a disadvantaged background).

yah....what's that got to do with the US?...or bush?...

i'm confused...