Kanye West Douche Watch 2009: Taylor Swift Edition

[Littleathquakes]

Artists are known for their talents.

Fixed.

 

[wheneveriwakeup]

No, they're both fairly talented though overrated, but that's another topic in itself.

Basically, I find that the a large number of ppl have such low expectations in regards to 'talent'. This is largely due to the media force-feeding the public their 'ideas' rather than allowing the public to make up their own minds. So when Kanye West and Karl Lagerfeld, two individuals who are endlessly heralded as the messiahs of their respective fields, decide to publicly humiliate some unsuspecting individual, it is always brushed off as two artists exercising their 'rights' to rage... If ppl had higher expectations, in terms of EVERYTHING, not just creatively speaking, these mediocre individuals wouldn't get nearly as much leeway for their disgusting behavior b/c there would be no convenient excuses to latch onto and hide behind.

 

[wheneveriwakeup]

Fixed.

 

[Escale Cherie II]

So are you saying Karl and Kanye are not talented?

No, I believe, and I'm not her so this is my take on it, she is saying that no amount of talent can make up for what he did.
Karl is one of the diamond standard designers (very few are equal if not better, though some may have been nasty), but of course it's still doesn't make up for some comments he's said. Karl and Kanye (who's probably considered in the gold standard of rapping-there are a bunch who are better, though they have committed several crimes ) are hard to compare though, since they're in two different areas.

But honestly, I do think the media is taking it a little too far (or maybe it's just here-the US tends to do that). There are a lot more important things to talk about.

 

[wheneveriwakeup]

^ Exactly... even someone who is exceedingly talented is not excused from this type of behavior. No one is. We are all human before anything else and we all deserve to be treated with some respect and dignity, first and foremost.

He was out of line with the George Bush thing as well. I can't stand George Bush or his politics with every fiber of my being, but Kanye has no concept of 'time and place' or the idea that some things are just better left unsaid. This Taylor Swift thing is getting a lot of backlash because she, unlike George Bush, isn't universally abhorred. She's a 19-year-old, up-and-coming musician. Beyonce is an established, world-renowned musician. I highly doubt she was terribly upset about losing to Taylor Swift, even if she too felt her video was the best of the two.

There is an old quote that perfectly suits Kanye West - 'if you're just saying what everyone else is thinking, you're not saying much at all.'

 

[Aoedele]

these mediocre individuals

Interesting. Two award winning, top of their respective fields "mediocre" individuals. I wish I were so "mediocre."

Beyonce is an established, world-renowned musician.

Now that's hilarious!

This Taylor Swift thing is getting a lot of backlash

What backlash? Seems to me some of you are displacing.

 

[wheneveriwakeup]

Karl Lagerfeld and Kanye West's terrible attitudes downplay any talents they may possess, so yes, they are both very mediocre...

Say what you want about Beyonce, but it is silly to pretend that she is not established and successful around the world. Displacing what exactly? I wish you'd explain yourself instead of resorting to low-brow attacks. Makes you look just like your friend Kanye, tbh.

 

[Aoedele]

Karl Lagerfeld and Kanye West's terrible attitudes downplay any talents they may possess, so yes, they are both very mediocre...

Their attitudes makes them mediocre? That makes no sense to me.

Say what you want about Beyonce, but it is silly to pretend that she is not established and successful around the world.

Never said she isn't successful or world known entertainer, but a musician? Don't think so. That's what I found hilarious.

Displacing what exactly? I wish you'd explain yourself instead of resorting to low-brow attacks. Makes you look just like your friend Kanye,

What low brow attacks? A difference of opinion on a topic, imo, that is being blown out of proportion.

tbh

What does that mean?

 

[wheneveriwakeup]

Their attitudes make them mediocre b/c their attitudes outshine any talent either individual has. Are people talking about Kanye's music or his ridiculous antics? Besides ppl. who actively follow fashion, is anyone discussing Karl's designs or his catty remarks? It is typically the latter.

Entertainer, musician, use whatever term you like; the pt. is Beyonce, who is on the same level of Kanye in many respects, did not seem to be bothered by Taylor Swift winning the award, so why was he? A VMA is so far removed from where these two are at in this pt. in their careers. It was not going to make/break Beyonce or Kanye. However, to Taylor Swift, someone who is up-and-coming in her field, that vma meant quite a lot to her. It was rude to take that away from her.

Instead of discussing, which is the whole pt. of FORUM - to discuss various topics - you're just throwing out all these argumentative one-liners instead of actually explaining why it is you feel the way you do.

*tbh = to be honest

 

[Aoedele]

I've already explained what I feel, several times in fact. But I will again. I think Kanye was wrong to embarrass Taylor, but in doing so she is being talked about more than she would have for winning what I think is a silly award. He did a douche-bag thing, he apologized and imo sounded remorseful. The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. The punishment, so to speak, does not fit the crime. If it were anyone but a cute little blond girl, would people be so upset?

 

[KhaoticKharma]

I mean... it's a moonman. Whoopty-doo. What he did was wrong, obviously, but he likes attention, and we all know that; I almost feel like we're feeding the monster at this point.

 

[wheneveriwakeup]

Exactly, it's a silly award... which is why he looks even more ridiculous for carrying on like an insufferable idiot. He is getting the most rancid serving of humble pie right now and he totally deserves it.

His career is not going to die b/c of this incident but maybe he'll get over himself in the wake of it...

 

[Plisskin]

I've already explained what I feel, several times in fact. But I will again. I think Kanye was wrong to embarrass Taylor, but in doing so she is being talked about more than she would have for winning what I think is a silly award. He did a douche-bag thing, he apologized and imo sounded remorseful. The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. The punishment, so to speak, does not fit the crime. If it were anyone but a cute little blond girl, would people be so upset?

You've pretty much said exactly how I feel about this. The media coverage over this in the U.S. is irresponsible. There are more serious matters going on in America than Kanye's MTV award debacle. Another example of how Celebrities have crossed over to making headlines, and sparking panel discussions on CNN instead of staying on "TMZ" and "E!", where this type of coverage belongs. To answer the latter part of your post, I don't think so; which makes this whole outrage, which is unsurprising coming from Kanye of all people, suspect.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ I don't know, I think civility is worthy of discussion--and deserves a comeback. Sure, lots of musicians have done much worse ... and usually those things need to be discussed with the word 'alleged' in front of them. Kanye didn't break the law ... it's just completely obvious that what he did was wrong. Doing this to Taylor is like kicking a puppy ... the fact that she's so utterly harmless makes him look all that much more of a--what was the word, Mr President?--ah yes, jackass.

 

[smartarse]

it is a silly award.
Kanye has a history of doing sh!t at events...
we all know that and brush it off.
but the nature of what he did at the VMA was more than what you all are reading...

hindsight, the recent Kanye outburst is a lesson to all those who think they're in a position to cross the line...

 

[FashionablyVivid]

lolz!!!!!


kanyegate.tumblr.com

 

[smartarse]

....Kanye should've been man enough to pick on his own age.
FYI: He wasn't drunk. I wouldnt be surprised he got wasted soon after he was tossed out.

 

[smartarse]

everyone was PISSED backstage , i mean PISSSSSSSSSED. Top people were feverishly on their blackberry. pretty chaotic. stunned. speechless.

the audience, stunned.

FYI: for rumors going around it was stage... Don't. Believe. It.

 

[Plisskin]

^ I don't know, I think civility is worthy of discussion--and deserves a comeback. Sure, lots of musicians have done much worse ... and usually those things need to be discussed with the word 'alleged' in front of them. Kanye didn't break the law ... it's just completely obvious that what he did was wrong. Doing this to Taylor is like kicking a puppy ... the fact that she's so utterly harmless makes him look all that much more of a--what was the word, Mr President?--ah yes, jackass.

I'd rather the news be infiltrated with discussions of Healthcare, the ending of the war in Afghanistan, or the current situations in Iran or other nations in tumultuous times, than some foolishness committed at the MTV awards; by a man who's committed similar actions in the past nonetheless. Civility is an interesting discussion to have in the U.S. However, why has a shining beacon of light come over this particular incident, yet has escaped others whom have committed similar incidents or actual crimes? I'd hope that a discussion of civility would be discussed by seeing an inherant problem in society, instead of irrational behavior committed by a celebrity at an award show on par with Nickelodean's Teen Choice Awards.
I think this is hypocritical and, like I previously stated, suspect.

The description of Taylor Swift as a puppy or helpless child has become some sort of talking meme on most major news stations in America and is a general consensus. I'd find it insulting if I were Taylor Swift.

 

[smartarse]

to those that think Kanye outburst was just him being him...
asks yourselves: WHY?...

• why did he "blogged" saying "sorry"
• why making apology rounds

uncharacteristic of the "Kanye being Kanye antics". Why? because of all his antics he has cross the line with this one ... his people doing damage control to which i think salvaging it is highly unlikely...


more to it people. more to it.
if time can be done over maybe Kanye will be saved. just sayin