Marc Jacobs/Marc by Marc Resort 2006

[Jacque Marcel]

the rest of the collection is great, i love it

 

[Bacchus]

ENOUGH all you Mr. Jacobs' bashers (mostly AMERICANS I see). Can't you despise one of thousands of L I M P, meaningless, out for the bottom dollar, companies that arise from your bountiful land. This is the man that brought antifashion (grunge to the minions) to the mainstream, and this is the respect he gets. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING THAT WILL CHANGE THE WORLD I ASK...

 

[fashionista-ta]

Jacques, pass me some of what you're smoking, will ya ... I want to like it too

I for one am not bashing Mr Jacobs--I'm a huge fan. I love his witty, happy clothes, his innovation, and his respect for women and their intelligence and individuality.

You won't see me complaining about, say, Ungaro, because I wasn't wearing it so who cares. I'm complaining now because this line is important to me personally and I want to know *what happened*??

Just took a look at Marc by Marc resort and it's a bit better IMO, only because at least something's happening and there's certainly nothing there to remind you of easy dressing in 4 colors from Talbots. But I doubt I can wear this stuff, I'm not in my 20s anymore, and what is UP with those knit things around their waists--I just had a Units flashback

 

[Caffeine]

I indeed prefer the Marc line. I couldn't see much work on the collection pieces to justify the price they charge. Compared with the FW05 collection, the resort collection looks awkward to me.

I noticed that he used some collection "language" in the Marc line though. There are some good buys from those pieces.

 

[coke]

i really like dress # 24 on marcjacobs.com in the marc jacobs collection. anyone know where i can buy it online? or how much it is? it's the maize taffeta broderie spaghetti strap bodice dress

 

[Zazie]

My question is, with so many talented indie designers out there, why is this guy still raking in the $$$? He can't cut, he can't mix, he can't match, he can't get his proportions right, as his [cringe...] "volume" Fall collection clearly shows. Volume is a great emerging concept, but his take is so amateur, it isn't bear looking. I suspect his more respectable LV collection works simply because he has the legions of establishment French couturiers and seamstresses ensuring that he doesn't sink the money-ship. At most, he has created some cute basics, but then even his "landmark" "grunge" collection was unimaginatively rehashed from what's there in the streets. What lasting legacy has MJ left us, after a highly successful, long career in the field? I can name innovative and creative signature contributions from the likes of Galliano, Theskyens, McQueen, Slimane, etc. despite occasional blah collections, but the huge success of MJ baffles me because, to me, he just isn't in their league.

 

[Zazie]

Ok, to be fair, I should explain what I mean by MJ's "amateur" take on volume, or it sounds too much like bitching. His interpretation is simply to make his clothes huge, a few sizes too big for his models. Volume without mass requires cut and construction, textures and structures as well as knowledge of materials that would provide the levity required. Examples are Preen, Balenciaga [both the original and NG], and better still, the works of students at the Antwerpen Academy. Also, volume is always relative in proportion, which is why the LV collection, which is far more proportionate, works, even though the cut, material, etc. aren't new. At best, that makes it evocative of the 50s Dior's New Look, which I'm sure the French fashion establishment at LV is adept at reproducing.

 

[birdofparadise]

He establishes an emotional connection with customers that can 'remember back when' and an anti-cool/cool cache with customers who cannot. He has a very skillful, talented team in his back room and while it's been said time and again, it seems no one wants to think about them presenting clothes the way they do on purpose. They find charm in emotion; things being stupid, a little wrong, a little human, a little down to earth, a little 'trying too hard'. There's real heart in his design, perhaps one of the best discourses present on American fashion design bearing the heritage of American sportswear, society's clambering for the impressions of wealth and conflicts that present themselves when underground tries to go mainstream. Personally, when it comes to indie designers, the lack of real discourse, which I feel is foundation to good design in all executions, is what keeps them from being substantial (exceptions to every 'rule', of course).

 

[fashionista-ta]

Coke, we're still in pre-order mode for Fall to the best of my knowledge, but if it's on the website, you oughtta be able to get pricing and/or pre-order from any of the stores. I use the one in NYC, and the benefit of his not doing business in my state is no tax on that hefty price tag, just shipping Same thing with Hollywould.

Paradise, great analysis of Marc. Simon Doonan's billboards are right ... girls really do love Marc Jacobs. Perhaps that's the measure of a really great designer ... when a shirt is not just a shirt but you feel a connection to a person and an attitude. Carolina Herrera's like that too.

I'm sure there's different viewpoints on this, but I'm not interested in clothes as pure art. OK, I am, but not the ones in my closet. I want my stuff, particularly where I live and what I wear, to express me. And my perception (and indeed he's gone on the record saying this) is that Marc is totally open to that. He doesn't have this precise vision of how we should be. He doesn't want to make us over, he doesn't want us to change. He likes us the way we are. It's more than enough that we want to take his stuff and make it part of who we are. He has talked about his idea of American girls being very casual, ready to perch on a curb no matter what we're wearing, evening gown or jeans. That's the Marc Jacobs attitude. It's the difference between that attitude and the Louis Vuitton/French attitude that's the reason that, despite all the common elements, Marc Jacobs looked so different from Louis Vuitton for Fall.

One thing I found quite interesting is the style.com stats that were in I think WWD Magazine. They tracked how many views the collections got for I believe it was 12 days after posting, and they printed the top 10. (It might be even more interesting to see which ones people kept going back to even after that.) I remember D&G was #1. But ALL of Marc's collections--Marc, Marc by Marc, and LV--were in the top 10, making him the designer who attracted the most attention. I couldn't take my eyes off the Marc Jacobs Fall collection and kept going back to it. I agree with Vogue's commentary that we don't yet know what it means. But I know it was and is important.

 

[Caffeine]

Coke, we're still in pre-order mode for Fall to the best of my knowledge, but if it's on the website, you oughtta be able to get pricing and/or pre-order from any of the stores. I use the one in NYC, and the benefit of his not doing business in my state is no tax on that hefty price tag, just shipping Same thing with Hollywould.

Paradise, great analysis of Marc. Simon Doonan's billboards are right ... girls really do love Marc Jacobs. Perhaps that's the measure of a really great designer ... when a shirt is not just a shirt but you feel a connection to a person and an attitude. Carolina Herrera's like that too.

I'm sure there's different viewpoints on this, but I'm not interested in clothes as pure art. OK, I am, but not the ones in my closet. I want my stuff, particularly where I live and what I wear, to express me. And my perception (and indeed he's gone on the record saying this) is that Marc is totally open to that. He doesn't have this precise vision of how we should be. He doesn't want to make us over, he doesn't want us to change. He likes us the way we are. It's more than enough that we want to take his stuff and make it part of who we are. He has talked about his idea of American girls being very casual, ready to perch on a curb no matter what we're wearing, evening gown or jeans. That's the Marc Jacobs attitude. It's the difference between that attitude and the Louis Vuitton/French attitude that's the reason that, despite all the common elements, Marc Jacobs looked so different from Louis Vuitton for Fall.

One thing I found quite interesting is the style.com stats that were in I think WWD Magazine. They tracked how many views the collections got for I believe it was 12 days after posting, and they printed the top 10. (It might be even more interesting to see which ones people kept going back to even after that.) I remember D&G was #1. But ALL of Marc's collections--Marc, Marc by Marc, and LV--were in the top 10, making him the designer who attracted the most attention. I couldn't take my eyes off the Marc Jacobs Fall collection and kept going back to it. I agree with Vogue's commentary that we don't yet know what it means. But I know it was and is important.

Well said! I like how his clothes express ourselves and that's why I buy his stuff. You said all I wanted to say about Marc.

 

[FashionFix]

Me no likey--this resort collection.

 

[masquerade]

i like it all except the shorts, i feel like i can walk into pacific sunwear and buy those and i never liked that look.

much better than his fall collection.

 

[Zazie]

I guess MJ appeals emotionally to American women, the way Ralph Lauren did and still does, which explains why non-Americans find his success baffling, because if you were to use very objective judgement criteria, he would most likely be closer to a fashion stylist than a designer, even a non-artsy one. I lived in the US East Coast for a few years, but can never understand the appeal of RL, but his clothes are everywhere. We all need/wear casual clothes, but there are so many better designers for those out there with much more "casual" price points, eg. interesting all-American Daryl K, Rebecca Danenberg, and newer [non-casual] ones to watch like Doo-Ri, and of course the ultimate self-expression style meccas which are the thrift/vintage shops, Wasteland, Garment District, Canal Jean. I am fortunate to be able to access cheap casual Japanese clothes with obscure labels. I just bought the most fantastic dark skinny jeans edged and patched in quirky orange with the seams running diagonal, cut on the bias/curve [a bit like Levis Red] resulting in just the perfect amount of knee/ankle ruching, for about US$20. It looks totally new and very flattering - I can't leave home without them now. This sort of casual design boutiques just don't exist in the US, you have Urban Outfitters, H&M, that's about it. I don't find that sort of lavish attention paid to MJ. I bought two pairs of marc jeans [red and blue with big cute buttons] and his signature S/S 2004 "patchwork" denim jacket in a moment of weakness [sale] a year back and never got round to wearing any of it. Ha, anyone interested in a swop?

 

[Zazie]

In defense of indie designers, a lot of them don't make it into 'discourse" [I don't know your exact definition, but I'm refering here to media exposure] because they aren't big advertisers or well-networked and connected. I have bought/collected pieces of indies over the years, Jean Colonna, Martin Margiela, Vivian Westwood, Lieve van Gorp, Veronique Branquinho, WLT, AFV, all conceptual, discrete and not outrageous and they still look super cool and relevant today, talk about money well-spent.

 

[fashionyork]

i like the blue shorts on Lisa Cant
Arght hated that skirt on Cintia

 

[kimair]

more pics from style.com...

the tight dresses don't seem to fit with the rest of the pieces...

 

[Spike413]

After looking at the whole collection on his site, I must say there are actually quite a few looks/pieces I like in the Marc Jacobs collection. #s 3, 21, all in 38, 45, 52, 56, 58, 60 and 63 are all favorites of mine (wish I could post pictures)

 

[FashionRoyalty]

when does the marc by marc resort collection come out instores?
i want to get a bag.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Not sure about Marc by Marc in particular, but resort in general should start arriving towards the end of the year, November-Decemberish. Marc Jacobs Fall is still arriving in stores--I'm not sure even his own stores have everything yet. It's to their advantage to be early ...

You could pre-order with one of the Marc by Marc stores, that's probably your best bet.

 

[ghoulxqueen]

eeeeeeeeeeeh..its "okay"