MDC (Models.com) Rankings

[Melancholybaby]

^ i think so too, it's a little too much to compare her with Linda although they have a similar chameleonic quality..
imo Raquel should be at no.6, Kristen and Karen should move up too and Carolyn and Claudia should be lower...
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Couldn't agree more. I never understood why Carolyn was ranked so high. I mean she doesn't have too much work to warrant such a high rank especially when models like Kristen and Karen have much more work and Christy, Naomi and Linda are far more iconic than Carolyn.

 

[agee]

When it comes to her position on the icons list, I definitely think that Raquel's rank is too low, and while I'm at it as others have mentioned, Karolina needs to be added to the icons list.

 

[happycanadian]

This Raquel debate is silly. Of course she is miles ahead of Freja, Natasha & Anja.

Now back to ME!!!! Who do you think makes more $$$ in general: the new VS girls or the new EL girls? (was that a smooth segway? )

i think the new Angel contracts are smaller, for sure, BUT - i think they still get paid a TON of money. perhaps not all of them, but i bet Erin, Chanel and Lily make about a million bucks per year from VS. and then Candice probably gets 2 million. (obviously Miranda, Doutzen, Ale and Adriana are earning more than that).

the Estee Lauder faces that earn the most money are the international ones like Elizabeth Hurley (whom, i once read a couple of years ago, earns about FOUR MILLION dollars per year JUST from EL). Joan/Constance/Liu aren't earning anywhere near that.



also --- Agee --

i agree with you. KK needs to be on the Icons list again. it's absolutely ridiculous that she's not included. she's a legitimate supermodel and one of the few from the past decade. plus she spent an entire year or more in the #1 position on the Top 50 list. granted, that was years ago - but since her return to high fashion work, she's ton a ton of runways, editorials in all the major VOGUES, covers on a few of them, and campaigns for Bottega Veneta, Max Mara, Jean Paul Gaultier, Rag & Bone, Mercedes, John Frieda, Macy's INC, etc. certainly more work than alot of other models on that list.

 

[Forrest]

Don't forget that Doutzen also got a big fat L'oreal contract!
I don't know how much money you get with EL. There are a few girls in the top with a EL contract? And not that much VS angels??

 

[Forrest]

it's the same when people comment here that Anja shouldn't eventually be in the icons list because "she hasn't been memorable enough" or "her personality doesn't stand out", that's so subjective!she has clearly proved her longevity, i mean she's still ranked no.3 after all these years of career.. and i've never seen somebody saying that she doesn't deserve her spot!
i just think that she's on the same level than Sasha and Natasha so if they're ever moved, Anja should too..
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I do think that's important for a icon and I think that people crealy including me say that it's our opinion that we feel that way.
But in the end MDC decides and I don't really care if it happen, i have no problem with Anja, just can't see her that way BUT that's different then if I say that she shouldn't belong there! Cause if she will be removed, it's fine be my.

 

[Forrest]

I just read what I wrote, really confusing.
So, pretend it's never been posted please.

I looked up MDC definition of a icon:

The VIP club: those working "icons" of the moment - defined as celebrity models with public recognition, established longevity and a major magazine cover within the last 3 years.

These stars can always be counted on to capture more than their fair share of covers and campaigns.

Of course, as is a celebrity model's prerogative, these "brand name" girls don't peddle the NY/London/Milan/Paris runway treadmill full time, or run from magazine shoot to magazine shoot, leaving that arena wide open to the new generation.

So the question is: which models fall under this definition??
For sure Lara.
I'm gonna think about it, cause atm i'm confused.

now i'm gone, cause i see myself 3 times in a row and i don't want to be a powerposter.

 

[agee]

I don't know if we will know who has the fatter contracts until the Forbes list comes out, and even that is not considered completely reliable. This is the thing about the VS contracts being downgraded, they got inflated during the had Gisele, Heidi and Tyra era probably because in addition to the actual work that they did for them, they brought a ton of publicity to the brand and the later angels from Doutzen and Miranda on just have not measured up to that, I don't mean that as a slam against them because their careers are top of the line out of today's working models and they are expanding into new endeavors. Put it this way, some designers will go with a super like Kate one season and then to a regular established model like Isabeli the next, now to be sure Kate would get paid more than Isabeli, but Isabeli would be paid very well if it is a label that has a track record of paying its models well.

I am thinking with both the newer VS and EL girls quantity matters, in other words Doutzen may have a fatter VS contract than Erin and Candice but E and C's VS pay may be more because VS uses them so much, although no one should feel sorry for Doutzen because she still has Loreal and has done repeat campaigns for Tiffany's which I also think pays well. EL may be the same way, I know that the commercial with Constance, Joan and Liu gets played a lot, and isn't Constance the face of one of their fragrances. I have not paid attention to their signage in stores recently, even though I use some of their products - the ones I recall were of Hilary and Carolyn.

 

[fonghay]

it's the same when people comment here that Anja shouldn't eventually be in the icons list because "she hasn't been memorable enough" or "her personality doesn't stand out", that's so subjective!
she has clearly proved her longevity, i mean she's still ranked no.3 after all these years of career.. and i've never seen somebody saying that she doesn't deserve her spot!
i just think that she's on the same level than Sasha and Natasha so if they're ever moved, Anja should too..
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No no, honey....I mean 'memorable' is the splash each girl made.It's clear that 2008 is Sasha's year and 09 is Natasha's year. The fashion world revolved around them back then,How about our lovely Anja?
I won't even consider there's a splash in her career.But I agree with you that she makes her way to the top and is still around for many years with high profile works supporting....But does it mean that you can be an icon,that's questionable....

P.S. I know she got many fragrance contracts this year but none of them is long-term stuff which means she can be replaced after the buzz is gone.
Well I may be too subjective.....Rant over

 

[valliaddict]

i think the new Angel contracts are smaller, for sure, BUT - i think they still get paid a TON of money. perhaps not all of them, but i bet Erin, Chanel and Lily make about a million bucks per year from VS. and then Candice probably gets 2 million. (obviously Miranda, Doutzen, Ale and Adriana are earning more than that).

the Estee Lauder faces that earn the most money are the international ones like Elizabeth Hurley (whom, i once read a couple of years ago, earns about FOUR MILLION dollars per year JUST from EL). Joan/Constance/Liu aren't earning anywhere near that.

First & foremost, thank you for responding to my post. I thought I was gonna be left hanging!!

I actually think the new EL girls make more $$$ than the new VS girls. VS contracts are always up in the air, while EL contracts can last longer. I also think that while EL is a smaller company, they don't constantly spend $$$ on testing new girls like VS does.

You also should remember that the Chanel, Lily, Erin, Lindsey & even Candice were not very in demand before they were signed to VS. Sure, some of them had their moments in high fashion for a little while, but all 5 were slowing down; however, Joan, Liu & Constance's stocks were rising before they were signed to EL. A smart business person would see that if a model isn't in demand, they would give them a significantly lower contract than a model who is in demand. So my final guess is that the new VS girls make $500,000 a year while the new EL girls make about $1 million per year.

That's not even including all the work outside of the EL company. IDK if Liu would be on the Money Girls list, since the only thing she constantly rebooks is CK Calvin Klein, but I think Joan & Constance should probably be on the list. Constance most definitely should be on there. Campaigns like Nine West & Bally must be very high paying. As far as Joan, I read somewhere that Gucci is one of the most high paying campaign jobs in the world, & she has a lot of H&M catalogue work to top it off.

IDK, I'm probably wrong about all of this!!

 

[valliaddict]

Hear's an in interesting article about coveted contracts:

http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2011/11/slideshow_best_model_bookings.html

 

[balmain1914]

Hear's an in interesting article about coveted contracts:

http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2011/11/slideshow_best_model_bookings.html

most of them are saying bull****. who doesn't know vogue cover helps and cosmetic perfume contract works like magic? we want details of numbers...

 

[congacon]

cosmetic contract(definitely not the one with ysl, chanel or tom ford) is the grand jewel of them all. so carolyn's rank is justified.

 

[congacon]

most of them are saying bull****. who doesn't know vogue cover helps and cosmetic perfume contract works like magic? we want details of numbers...

most hardcore tfsers all ready knew these answers. yes we want the numbers!

 

[agee]

Candice, who would be considered part of the post-big contract era at VS, made the Forbes list last year (#10) and I think at that time she was only doing VS, a jeans campaign and maybe some other catalog work. By the way it has not been confirmed that the blind item was VS although I also believe that it is. Carolyn Murphy (#8) was the only EL contract model on the list and she has been with the company for ten years.

Also I would not assume that a model with Lily's profile would be cheaper than a high fashion model, she has worked for well-paying catalogs / commercial brands like J. Crew, Gap, H&M and Levi's, she has also been one of the faces of Prescriptives which by the way is owned by Estee Lauder. The other thing has to do with what happens once you are inside the company, of the three Estee Lauder girls, Joan because of her relationship with Gucci may have been making more money before snagging EL than Constance or Liu, but EL may be paying Constance more because she is the face of more lines (I think?). I don't know if this is the case, but Joan's agents may have negotiated a "better" contract but Constance may get paid more because EL uses her more, which is the same point that I was making about Candice and Erin versus Doutzen and Miranda as it relates to their VS compensation alone.

A smart business person would see that if a model isn't in demand, they would give them a significantly lower contract than a model who is in demand.

It depends on what "in demand" means. Some models are not in demand because their day rate is too high, that's why I made a comment before about there being different interpretations of what it means if one model who walks ten shows in a season versus another one who walks thirty, model A may be more in demand because her rate is $5K a show versus Model B whose rate is $10K a show. A few seasons ago Constance Jablonski was the top walker and IIRC booked seventy or so shows and last year she was on a slew of magazines, she is not walking as many shows nor is she covering as many magazines but that should not be interpreted that if someone wants to hire her today that she is actually cheaper than she was a year or two ago because I am pretty sure that that is far from the case.

 

[Melancholybaby]

cosmetic contract(definitely not the one with ysl, chanel or tom ford) is the grand jewel of them all. so carolyn's rank is justified.

A sole cosmetics contract, no matter how lucrative it may be, does not warrant the 5th rank and definitely does not make you more of an icon that Linda, Christy, Naomi, Kristen and so on. I don't mind Carolyn at all but seeing as she doesn't do that much, a place in the top 5 icons is a little bit too much imo.

 

[congacon]

actually for the case of carolyn, every season she always get a few smaller campaigns not just with el.

 

[milo84]

arlenis has a lancome contract for years and she still sits around 20+ in the ranking for as long as i can remember.

hillary had (or still has?) the estee lauder contract but she never made it to the icon list after being removed from the top 50.

my point is that of course, cosmetic contract is a huge deal but it does not weight more than repetitive bookings of blue chip campaigns and multiple vogue covers.

for this reason alone, i think karlie deserves the top spot more than joan.

 

[valliaddict]

^ I get what you're saying, but Joan doesn't just rely on her EL contract. As much as I love both Karlie & Joan, Karlie has repetitive bookings without the contract, while Joan has repetitive bookings WITH the contract. Joan is now a Chanel face, and Karl usually gives his Chanel girls at least 2 campaigns (everyone recently except Abbey Lee). Karlie has been the face of Dior 3 seasons in a row, & the face of ODLR 4 seasons in a row. That is amazing, but how much longer will that last? Joan is just getting started with Chanel. She also has more industry support than Karlie does. The next #1 model needs to have a strong clientele to support her #1 position. This is just my opinion, but I don't think Joan is done yet with Givenchy, Gucci or Roberto Cavalli; it is however, a fact that this Spring season she has EL, Chanel & Pirelli Calendar. Joan's future seems brighter than Karlie's, imo. Please don't shoot me

 

[congacon]

arlenis has a lancome contract for years and she still sits around 20+ in the ranking for as long as i can remember.

hillary had (or still has?) the estee lauder contract but she never made it to the icon list after being removed from the top 50.

my point is that of course, cosmetic contract is a huge deal but it does not weight more than repetitive bookings of blue chip campaigns and multiple vogue covers.

for this reason alone, i think karlie deserves the top spot more than joan.

if she didnt have the lancome contract she wouldnt have made it even in the top 50, lets alone top 20

 

[valliaddict]

I compiled a list of jobs from A-list photographers that Karlie & Joan have landed in 2011. I didn't count 2010 because Joan didn't jump on the scene until Fall 2010. BTW, I have a life OK!!! This is my only morning off. So lets see their bodies of work:

Karlie
Craig McDean- ODLR Spring 2011, ODLR Fall 2011, 3 US Vogue eds
David Sims- none
I&V- 1 W ed
M&M- none
Mario Sorrenti- none
Mario Testino- 1 Allure ed, 2 US Vogue eds
Patrick Demarchelier- Donna Karan Spring 2011, 1 Vogue China ed, 1 Allure ed
Peter Lindbergh- none
Steven Klein- 2 US Vogue eds
Steven Meisel- Dior Spring 2011, 1 US Vogue ed
Terry Richardson- 1 British Vogue ed
Total Blue Chip Jobs: 17

Joan
Craig McDean- Estee Lauder Spring 2011, Estee Lauder Fall 2011, 1 US Vogue ed
David Sims- none
I&V- none
M&M- Stella McCartney Spring 2011, Roberto Cavalli Spring 2011, Gucci Spring 2011, Gucci Fall 2011, 1 W ed, 1 US Vogue ed
Mario Sorrenti- Barney’s Fall 2011, 1 VP ed
Mario Testino- 1 US Vogue ed
Patrick Demarchelier- 1 US Vogue ed
Peter Lindbergh- David Yurman Fall 2011, 1 US Vogue ed
Steven Klein- none
Steven Meisel- 1 W ed
Terry Richardson- 1 W ed, 1 V ed, 1 V cover
Total Blue Chip Jobs: 19 (technically 18 if you count the Terry cover & ed as 1 job)

Very interesting if you ask me. They are both on a very even playing field. Can't wait to see what happens next year.....