Racial Diversity In Modeling

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One can have a lot of theories, of course, what would you think is the reason white ppl are regarded in that way? There are obvious reasons - it's associated with wealth, white people appear more in media....so are we going to see a shift toward Chinese and Indian idealizations, now that most Western economies are taking a turn for the worse?


Maybe, but it'll take a long time for deeply ingrained views about the "superiority" of one skin tone versus another to change. Especially when I also think there's clearly some self hatred going on when 45% of women (or even more) use dangerous creams to lighten their skin. I don't think the Western ideals can change when non-Western people buy into said ideals just as much, or even more.

It's sad, but hopefully one day people will recognize that there is also beauty outside of lightness. It's too bad the fashion industry chooses to perpetuate such a ridiculous ideal for the sake of "trendiness".
 
Well, at least as a counterbalance white women are taking skin creams to darken their skin, albeit temporarily.
 
^^ I don't think the reasons behind both actions are comparable though. Caucasians do it to appear "fashionable" -- I don't think there's any racial connection at all with tanning it's just a change in social signals -- now pale equal "loser shut in" or someone who has to work, tanned signals "leisure time" even if you copped it at some crappy local salon :unsure:. The girls in my high school back home (who I think are pretty representative) bleached their skin for multitude of reasons, one of the major ones I'm assuming is shame for being so "dark" (and therefore ugly or at least not very attractive) with the requisite "bad" features -- kinky hair and so on.
 
#813 that is so disgusting....the grammar, and the blatant racism. who could be so ignorant to create that.

Anyways, as to the person who said that the lack of black models is because black models aren't the "look of the moment" that's complete bull****. It's pretty much (in recent years) always been this way. I've yet to look at past collections and see more than 5 black models in one collection. But it's, obviously, decreased which results in people starting to speak up about it. I find it sad that people get happy about some Resort show having 4 black models in it, that's not really a change in my opinion. There's definitely underlying racism though..

It's a step in the right direction ... and I think every step is worth celebrating. Once we appreciate the entire human rainbow, and everyone is represented everywhere, we can get to a place where color fades completely into the background and we have one human race.

I was thinking about how strange it is that we've taken something that is a trait that evolved to protect us from the sun & allow us to get the proper amount of vitamin D based on where we lived in relation to the equator, and made it into this hugely important thing that determines (supposedly) how intelligent people are, where they should live, whom they should associate with, how beautiful they are, what kind of job they should have ... I mean really, we are so silly!!! :huh: :unsure: :doh:

It's my belief (and I think there's a lot of evidence for this) that we reincarnate repeatedly--as both genders, all three races, various orientations, and a variety of ethnicities, to get the whole range of human experiences. Once you realize that, you get it that what you are this time around isn't you--you are actually beyond color, gender, and all the rest. So of course being one or the other isn't better--it just isn't. It just is.
 
^^ I don't think the reasons behind both actions are comparable though. Caucasians do it to appear "fashionable" -- I don't think there's any racial connection at all with tanning it's just a change in social signals -- now pale equal "loser shut in" or someone who has to work, tanned signals "leisure time" even if you copped it at some crappy local salon :unsure:. The girls in my high school back home (who I think are pretty representative) bleached their skin for multitude of reasons, one of the major ones I'm assuming is shame for being so "dark" (and therefore ugly or at least not very attractive) with the requisite "bad" features -- kinky hair and so on.

Alternatively, maybe if we all tan/fake-tan and bleach sufficiently, we will all end up exactly the same color :lol: I will not be joining those folks in the middle, though--I love my pale little face exactly as it is ;) I think we are all the more beautiful together for the contrast :heart:
 
In Mexico the whiter people look down on the darker people and the entertainment industry there is 95% of the whiter latinas not the darker ones :unsure:
This is so true....I have yet to see a dark Mexican actress or singer on TV! I know this is true for other cultures as well (Puerto Ricans for example)
 
^^ I don't think the reasons behind both actions are comparable though. Caucasians do it to appear "fashionable" -- I don't think there's any racial connection at all with tanning it's just a change in social signals -- now pale equal "loser shut in" or someone who has to work, tanned signals "leisure time" even if you copped it at some crappy local salon :unsure:. The girls in my high school back home (who I think are pretty representative) bleached their skin for multitude of reasons, one of the major ones I'm assuming is shame for being so "dark" (and therefore ugly or at least not very attractive) with the requisite "bad" features -- kinky hair and so on.

Exactly, the motivations are completely different. At the end of the day, I'm sure most people who get a fake tan still want to be white. They're not trying to become more or less like some race, they're trying to get a little pigment. Many white people are naturally more swarthy with olive skin that tans easily, it doesn't make them any less white.
 
^ and then you got the "whiter then white people" political joke.
my friend called me that when i was in grade 11.
it was sure an awkward moment.
oh well, i have been mistaken as ukrainian too.
can blend into everything pretty well.
 
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No I haven't I really want to though my friend told me quite a lot about it. I've only read Beloved.

As for the lighter skin receiving preference I thought they were old ideas that related back to when people worked outside for a living , and those who did naturally had darker skin. If you were pale it showed you were rich enough to afford not to work.

Tans weren't popular till ladies like Coco Chanel started flaunting them , I got the impression that 100 years ago etc tans were seen as vulgar :S

It's weird how that has changed now and than a tan is seen as wealthy.
 
Since we are on the topic of Aunt Jemimah, I would love to discuss the various MCDONALD'S ads and tv commercials out there. Are blacks the only people that eat hamburgers and french fries? Notice how they always hire the model/actress with the big, boufant, curly fro? "Hey man, you better go down to Mickey D's and pick up sumtin' from dat dollah menu!" In France, it's a totally different story. I constantly see elegant commercials that promote the "Le M" (which tastes like dog food!) In the Champs Elysees' Mcdonalds', it's packed with whites and there are no jazz bee-bops playing over the speakers. I love how McDonalds constantly promotes the United Negro College Fund and the Gospel Fest. Could their intentions be any more blatant?
 
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there doesnt seem to be much middle ground... I think all black is just as racist as all white.
 
Exactly, the motivations are completely different. At the end of the day, I'm sure most people who get a fake tan still want to be white. They're not trying to become more or less like some race, they're trying to get a little pigment. Many white people are naturally more swarthy with olive skin that tans easily, it doesn't make them any less white.

That is probably so, nonetheless, it's not bad to recognize the fact that as many darker pigmented people feel a need to become lighter skinned, the light skinned feel a need to become darker skinned. When did you last hear someone talk about how nice and chalk white they looked? Save fashionista-ta then ;)

At the end of the day, much of this is related to the beauty business, in whose interest it is to have everyone, young, old, fair, dark to want to be improved, changed....The grass is always greener I guess?
 
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No I haven't I really want to though my friend told me quite a lot about it. I've only read Beloved.

As for the lighter skin receiving preference I thought they were old ideas that related back to when people worked outside for a living , and those who did naturally had darker skin. If you were pale it showed you were rich enough to afford not to work.

Tans weren't popular till ladies like Coco Chanel started flaunting them , I got the impression that 100 years ago etc tans were seen as vulgar :S

It's weird how that has changed now and than a tan is seen as wealthy.

And even weirder now that everyone and his great uncle has realized that tans not only increase the risk of skin cancer among the ones who most dearly need the tans, and it ages people prematurely. Hence, everyone must now purchase tans.

So now, it's not a sign of being sporty, it's only a sign of someone who's been indoctrinated with the idea that tans are a sign of health. And, it does take out unevenness in the skin. On white skin every single flaw stands out.
 
As for the lighter skin receiving preference I thought they were old ideas that related back to when people worked outside for a living , and those who did naturally had darker skin. If you were pale it showed you were rich enough to afford not to work.

Tans weren't popular till ladies like Coco Chanel started flaunting them , I got the impression that 100 years ago etc tans were seen as vulgar :S

It's weird how that has changed now and than a tan is seen as wealthy.

Tans became a sign of wealth when most people started working indoors in factories and offices. Coco Chanel was outside playing tennis and fly fishing with the jet set.

I am afraid that in many parts of the world, even in Sri Lanka, the darker skinned people have an economic disadvantage. This means their colour is less "upper class" (though it can be "exotic"). Fix that, and you fix the runways.
 
That is probably so, nonetheless, it's not bad to recognize the fact that as many darker pigmented people feel a need to become lighter skinned, the light skinned feel a need to become darker skinned. When did you last hear someone talk about how nice and chalk white they looked? Save fashionista-ta then ;)

At the end of the day, much of this is related to the beauty business, in whose interest it is to have everyone, young, old, fair, dark to want to be improved, changed....The grass is always greener I guess?

I think you have a point there ... there's a lot of money to be made from everyone being unhappy with themselves & buying into the fantasy that some product is going to change that ... not alot from everyone loving and accepting themselves just as they are.
 
Source | The New York Times | by Cathy Horyn
June 19, 2008
Critic’s Notebook
Conspicuous by Their Presence

Racial prejudice in the fashion industry has long persisted because of tokenism and lookism. “We already have our black girl,” says a designer to a fashion-show casting agent, declining to see others. Or: “She doesn’t have the right look.” Laziness, paranoia and pedantry may also have something to do with the failure to hire black models for shows and magazine features in any meaningful number, but, hey, that’s just a guess.

A decade ago the thing to deplore was the stereotyping of black models by dressing them in African-inspired clothes (or the Asian girls in kimonos). This at least gave work to minority models, but it also encouraged a Western view of African culture of the many-bangles-many-beads variety.

O.K., so fashion ain’t deep. It looks into a mirror and sees ... itself. The irony in fashion is that it loves change but it can’t actually change anything. It can only reflect a change in the air. But what changes fashion? What would finally move American designers to include more black models on their runways? That 30 percent of the country is nonwhite? That black women spend $20 billion a year on clothes? That an African-American is the presumptive presidential nominee of the Democratic Party?

The answer is the individual eye.

In fashion, one of the most influential eyes belongs to the photographer Steven Meisel. His pictures have caught an America basking in the earnest, self-reflected glow of celebrity and money. He has taken innumerable risks, especially with “Sex,” the 1992 volume he did with Madonna, that have paid off with a career that allows him to do whatever he wants.

And he has almost lovingly photographed some of the world’s beautiful women, tapping into their psyches, connecting with them on a human level, while transforming them into fashion deities.

As the model Veronica Webb, who first worked with Mr. Meisel 20 years ago, said: “Steven knows every single tic, every talent that every girl has. He just pulls it out of them.”

For the July issue of Italian Vogue, Mr. Meisel has photographed only black models. In a reverse of the general pattern of fashion magazines, all the faces are black, and all the feature topics are related to black women in the arts and entertainment. Mr. Meisel was given roughly 100 pages for his pictures. The issue will be on European newsstands next Thursday and in the United States soon after.

Under its editor, Franca Sozzani, Italian Vogue has gained a reputation for being more about art and ideas than commerce. Ms. Sozzani also doesn’t mind controversy.

She said that, as an Italian, she has been intrigued by the American presidential race and Mr. Obama, which was one source of inspiration when she and Mr. Meisel began discussing, in February, the idea of an all-black issue. Also, she was aware of the lack of diversity on the runways in recent years and the debate it fueled last fall in New York, where Bethann Hardison, a former model who ran a successful agency, held two panel discussions on the topic.

Ms. Sozzani said the issue was not a response to criticism that she, too, has under-represented blacks or portrayed them as stereotypes.

“Mine is not a magazine that can be accused of not using black girls,” said Ms. Sozzani, noting that Naomi Campbell has had several covers, and that Liya Kebede and Alek Wek have also had covers.

Having worked at one time with nearly all the models he chose for the black issue — Iman, Ms. Campbell, Tyra Banks, Jourdan Dunn, Ms. Kebede, Ms. Wek, Pat Cleveland, Karen Alexander — Mr. Meisel had his own feelings. “I thought, it’s ridiculous, this discrimination,” said Mr. Meisel, speaking by phone from his home in Los Angeles. “It’s so crazy to live in such a narrow, narrow place. Age, weight, sexuality, race — every kind of prejudice.”

He began casting in March. “I love the history of fashion, obviously, and I love old, and I tried to get as many of the older girls as I could,” he said.

Over Ms. Sozzani’s initial objections, he also hired Toccara Jones, a full-figure model, who became known from “America’s Next Top Model.” “I wanted to say something about weight, and I’m never allowed to do that,” he said. “I met Toccara and thought, she’s beautiful. What’s the deal with her? She’s great and she’s sexy.”

If these pictures have a heightened sense of glamour, it probably has something to do with the atmosphere of a Meisel shoot. According to Ms. Webb, “it’s the darkest studio, like a studio at MGM.”

There are fans and reflectors; many assistants. An area is marked “Hair” and another “Makeup.” (Pat McGrath did all the makeup for the issue, and Guido Palau did the hair.) A mirror is placed behind Mr. Meisel, so the model can see herself.

“It’s a dark world,” Ms. Webb said, “and you’re in the spotlight.”

The four pictures that Ms. Campbell was supposed to make turned into 20. She also appears on the fold-out cover, along with Ms. Kebede, Sessilee Lopez and Ms. Dunn. “Franca doesn’t realize what she’s done for people of color,” Ms. Campbell said the other day. “It reminds me of Yves using all the black models.” She was referring to Yves Saint Laurent, who, like Gianni Versace and a handful of other designers, routinely cast minorities.

Mr. Meisel has his own theories about why black models, save for the token few, have disappeared from runways. “Perhaps the designers, perhaps the magazine editors,” he said. “They are the powerful people. And the advertisers. I have asked my advertising clients so many times, ‘Can we use a black girl?’ They say no.” The concern is that consumers will resist the product, he said. “It all comes down to money.”

Ashley Brokaw, an independent casting agent in New York, believes that designers want more diversity in their casts but, she said, “what they want and what the reality is are two different things.” She thinks that agencies don’t spend enough time to groom new models for the catwalk, making it easy for designers to reject them, and then the cycle of new faces is spinning faster and faster.

But it’s also true that designers, in spite of their creative powers, yearn for the approval of insiders. “They are looking around, over their shoulders, asking, ‘Is that cool?’ ” Mr. Meisel said. He agreed that it’s a crazy kind of paranoia. Whether it’s a new model or hip style, he said with a laugh, “It can only be stated by a certain five people and then they go with it.”

What is striking about Mr. Meisel’s pictures, especially a portrait of Ms. Banks in a soft head-wrap and one of Ms. Lopez in a neat brocade turban, is how much beauty and life he was able to extract from them, so that you almost feel you are seeing these women for the first time.

Ms. Hardison hopes that the Italian Vogue issue (to which she contributed) will open people’s eyes in the industry. “They need to see what they’re missing out there,” she said. This week, in its July issue, American Vogue will have an article about the dearth of black models.

Perhaps no individual, though, will know what it means to be included more than Ms. Lopez. Last year, she barely worked. Ms. Brokaw predicts that after insiders see Mr. Meisel’s pictures, she will have a terrific season.
This kind of perplexes and delights Mr. Meisel.

“Here’s this exquisite girl,” he said, addressing no one in particular. “What don’t you get? She’s a beautiful woman. There was no trick to it.”
thanks to missmagaddict!

anyways, the thing about meisel wanting to use black models but not being able to because clients were afraid of losing money, it made me so upset. not because i don't believe him and not because i think the clients are necessarily wrong. i honestly think that consumers are as much at fault as the companies. hell, the customer is basically the corporation's boss. i think us talking about this is doing a lot and we need to keep people aware.
 
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