Raf Simons Leaving Christian Dior; Maria Chiuri Rumored In

[dior_couture1245]

Looks like he started following fashion in 2012. He didn't know Dior had so many collections before signing... Oh well.

Yeah. I'm sort of thinking the same thing…was it a surprise to Raf that Dior produced so many collections? That we would be in charge of all of them?

So to hear him moan and groan about it constantly as if he was the victim is a little bit obnoxious. You signed up for the job and what you signed up for should have been no surprise.

All that said, though, I do think it's admirable that he left when he did if he was no longer feeling up to it. Nothing worse than an employee who's mentally and emotionally checked out still chugging along in their current position. That I get, but the constant whining about there being too many collections at Dior and it all moving too fast is silly…what did he think Galliano was doing for 15 years?

Clearly the issue, I think, is not the "speed" of fashion, but the incompatibility of that speed with Raf's personal creative process. He seems happier spending a year designing several textiles for this furniture company. And that's fine. I'd just like for him to quit b*tching about it, especially when I read things from JW Anderson who seems to thrive off of the speed. Clearly it's what you, as a designer, make of it.

 

[fashionista-ta]

It could also be in basic conflict with his personality. Someone like Karl thrives on decisions and speed, but that isn't typical for an artistic personality--it would be the opposite. I myself am very decisive, but I completely hear what he's saying.

 

[vetements]

Yeah. I'm sort of thinking the same thing…was it a surprise to Raf that Dior produced so many collections? That we would be in charge of all of them?

So to hear him moan and groan about it constantly as if he was the victim is a little bit obnoxious. You signed up for the job and what you signed up for should have been no surprise.

All that said, though, I do think it's admirable that he left when he did if he was no longer feeling up to it. Nothing worse than an employee who's mentally and emotionally checked out still chugging along in their current position. That I get, but the constant whining about there being too many collections at Dior and it all moving too fast is silly…what did he think Galliano was doing for 15 years?

Clearly the issue, I think, is not the "speed" of fashion, but the incompatibility of that speed with Raf's personal creative process. He seems happier spending a year designing several textiles for this furniture company. And that's fine. I'd just like for him to quit b*tching about it, especially when I read things from JW Anderson who seems to thrive off of the speed. Clearly it's what you, as a designer, make of it.

My sentiments exactly.

I actually like Raf Simons and his designs, even his Dior.
But at the back of my mind, I also feel that he has been whining a little bit too much.
Dior has all these resources he can use, it is not like he has to design, research, cut the patterns, dye the cloth, do the set and all of that all by himself. It was a tough job, but it also has the best resources any designer can ask for.

All said and done, his decisions is set and keep harping on it only makes him look like a whiner, so I hope he can quit giving interviews to talk about his decision to quit, best to move on please.

 

[Fashionstuff]

Looks like he started following fashion in 2012. He didn't know Dior had so many collections before signing... Oh well.

Yes , it seems he had no idea at all , didn't read contract, didn't talk about house and about work which he will do there, mean how many collections yearly, ect.
Is it more cute to have ex crative director of Dior in his CV, it made -still makes- and will make , him famous for the rest pf his designer career. Why did he signed with Dior?It is for sure a lot of stress and no time for lazy Weekend, couldn't he imagine it?
And, i didn't like what he did for Dior. All his collections were simply boring...

It could also be in basic conflict with his personality. Someone like Karl thrives on decisions and speed, but that isn't typical for an artistic personality--it would be the opposite. I myself am very decisive, but I completely hear what he's saying.

And how old he is and how many years Karl does it!!! And not only for Chanel but also for Fendi, i don't speak about his collection for cats which is as Hobby for him and he did it with pleasure but, Hobby or pleasure, anyway it takes time!

 

[Creative]

Yes , it seems he had no idea at all , didn't read contract, didn't talk about house and about work which he will do there, mean how many collections yearly, ect.
Is it more cute to have ex crative director of Dior in his CV, it made -still makes- and will make , him famous for the rest pf his designer career. Why did he signed with Dior?It is for sure a lot of stress and no time for lazy Weekend, couldn't he imagine it?
And, i didn't like what he did for Dior. All his collections were simply boring...

Totally agree. I always thought Dior for Raf was just a big EGO project. He wanted his name to be engraved in gold letter in fashion history, and you can only get that working at a big maison or being somebody like Helmut Lang. He sacrificed many things for it.

I always hate his interviews. He sounds so arrogant to me. Also, he is a very boring human being. I remember when he used to be SO mean with Galliano, now he says he had no time to design at Dior when he knew perfectly how things work at a big fashion brand... Come on.

 

[Marc10]

^When was he "SO mean" with Galliano?

 

[Creative]

^Where have you been all this time? He almost gave a punch on John's face every time he opened his mouth. Using Google, first page:

"Most recently, he (Raf) went so far as to suggest that Christian Dior would probably not be a fan of John Galliano's eccentric designs". Like if he knew what would he like or not. Totally out of place and so unnecesary.

Talking about Galliano's work:

" [...] I don't find it relevant now, especially when it restricts a woman, because in any other area they have so much freedom".

Talking about Dior not having a 'style'. Galliano's good old days were much more recognizable and had much more personality that his boring Dior. True, his last years were terrible, but he was in trouble and there is no need to say that. You could say you are just trying to build a new style or something, but the punch is clear.

"The Chanel woman? I don't even need to see, I smell her from round the corner, but I don't recognize the Dior woman". What is Dior nowadays?"


Clearly referring to John:

"I will leave this when I feel I have nothing else to say and when I consider I'm not modern. It's difficult to accept and that's usually the problem in the world of fashion".

And from Harper's Bazaar Spain:

"Dior history was never about travesties".

 

[Marc10]

^Most of those are soundbites taken out of context or a reach for "shade". The tone he has used when commenting on Galliano was that although he respects him, he wasn't going to follow his style because he didn't feel like it was relevant for Dior and how women dress today. And that's absolutely true.

 

[Creative]

You can be mean saying the truth. The fact is that he's been mean to a person that was not in his best moment. Most of those comments are totally unnecesary for a designer at his level. He is not commenting at tfs.

 

[fashionista-ta]

I don't see it either ... he has never seemed like a nasty or judgmental person to me. He also wouldn't be the first to experience something, and find that different from what he thought it would be. How many of us take a new job and find it exactly what we thought? (None, that's how many ...)

 

[MulletProof]

I don't see any of that either. Just clear thirst for trolling and fishing for yellow press type of statements so bashing is justified (not surprised..).

He left Dior less than a year ago, of course he's going to be asked about it and I don't see why he can't talk about it. And anyone that's been into fashion knows how much it's changed for the past 5 years, even Dior didn't use to be the crazy pretty dress factory it is now. Working there sounds dream-like, and I imagine it will always sound like that for anyone with a career in clothing design, but people and particularly those that are creative and still want to be creative and challenge themselves and not give themselves entirely to the rational, business-minded, cold side of the industry, will always struggle to compete with the kind of machinery fashion's become, simply because it's not humanly possible to produce something thoughtful or even sincere at that pace. There's nothing hypocrite about trying and realizing the way it works from the inside is actually not for you.. sadly, the majority people do stay in jobs that slowly make them give up the reasons they got into that field in the first place, and only because it's comfortable or money and prestige are involved. But, I wouldn't be surprised this is all too thoughtful and ahem, pretentious.. not juicy enough..

 

[Lola701]

I have the feeling that he took the Dior job only to raise his profile as a designer.
At JS, he was responsible for 4 RTW collections for women and 2 for men. I believe that he was also involved with the NAVY line. So, he knew about the pressure and the lifestyle. Jil Sander is based in Italy and his own line in Belgium. He managed to do both.
Maybe the problem at Dior was that he wasn't a couturier. It's very difficult to have the respect of an atelier used to designers drawings or draping fabrics when you can only direct an army of stylist.
His way of working is unusual in Couture...

Back to the profile thing. He obviously doesn't care that much about womenswear. The Dior job gave him the prestige he needed for himself and his own brand. He will be remembered as the ultimate "cult-anti fashion" designer who left Dior.
His own line has never been more present, sold and desired as now. I believe that the prices went up.
Thanks to that Dior job, he can do whatever he wants, work on different projects and above all impose his prerogative to whoever will want to work with him.
He is in a position of power and kudos to him for that!

 

[dsamg]

I don't like Raf at all. He's such an entitled spoilt brat. He should go have dinner with Erin Heatherton so they can complain about how difficult their lives are and how baffling it is that they have to meet the requirements of their jobs and can't just do whatever they want. Who would have thought that high profile jobs involve sacrifice and hard work? Shocker.

 

[fashionista-ta]

I don't understand the thought process that people who are a bit more privileged aren't allowed to express any dissatisfaction or preference. I don't see why they're not as entitled as a person living on the street to admit that their choices have led them to a place it turns out they'd rather not be.

 

[Aizanara]

Calvin Klein about designers nowadays:

Further into the discussion, Klein seems to criticize designers like Raf Simons and Hedi Slimane for stepping down from their positions as creative directors, calling them "replaceable."

"Designers today don't stay long enough on the job, even the best ones," he said. "They stay two years and their contract's up, and then they think they have invented the name Dior or Saint Laurent or Balenciaga. Everyone's replaceable. A lot of designers get replaced, and often get forgotten."

uk.complex.com

 

[mistress_f]

well speaking of raf, this is truly something

https://www.instagram.com/clairederouenbooks/

 

[RedSmokeRise]

Didn't have my glasses on this morning so I thought Raf was Jeremy Scott for a good couple minutes.

 

[GreyVetiver]

According to BoF, he's going to Calvin Klein.

 

[Nymphaea]

^Called a rumour on both BOF and WWD.

 

[Creative]

Are they ever going to hire a designer!? They knew Raf was leaving Dior almost a year ago. I think the S/S 2017 rtw collection will have to be done by the team too. Maybe we'll have to wait till couture in January... How tiresome!