The End Of Sex?

[TheSoCalledPrep]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Jun 13th, 2004 - 4:13 pm
Not having ever had breasts myself I couldn't possibly comment...however when I first had proper muscle it was like 'Whoo! Muscle...I'll walk around in tank tops and shorts all day'...so maybe teenage girls are like, 'Whoo! Curves...I'll walk around in tank tops and mini-skirts all day'...

Good point. But you what these girls don't realize is that you can show your curves off much better and more attractively in modest clothing.

 

[Dixie]

I agree. For more info, there are some great replies on looking sexy is in the following thread: http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/index...?showtopic=8711

 

[ignitioned32]

Originally posted by purplelucrezia+Jun 11th, 2004 - 2:57 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (purplelucrezia @ Jun 11th, 2004 - 2:57 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-tangerine@Jun 11th, 2004 - 2:39 pm
We're creating a style that's more unique.

I really do like the idea behind this, but I find it a bit sad that it's really only being done because it's apparently the newest trend. It may be a more appealing trend, of course, but shouldn't it be done for yourself...? Not because the magazines are telling you that this is how you should be looking. And- after this phase has passed, it's back to normal for most of these girls. [/b][/quote]
Yeah. I agree.

Ladylike was big during the Fall 2003 collections, it then got transfered to the F.Scott Fitzgerald mood of Spring 2004 and with Tom Ford gone and the whole celebrity backlash thing, I'm not surprised.

Hope the girls will stick to this.

 

[softgrey]

over here...while jeans are not as low rise and tops have gotten longer...

the skirts have gotten waaaaaaayyyy...shorter...

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by tott+Jun 11th, 2004 - 7:10 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tott @ Jun 11th, 2004 - 7:10 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-softgrey@Jun 11th, 2004 - 9:22 pm
a follow up to what had been predicted earlier right here on tfs...

Just a link to the previous thread:

http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/index...?showtopic=6844

Or were you thinking about something else, softie? [/b][/quote]
yes tott...that is what i was thinking of...i noticed both articles are written by ruth la ferla...

guess she ran out of new topics to write about......

follow-up piece...

thanks for posting the link...tott...

 

[MayaPapaya9]

I am really glad to read that article. High school was a very recent experience for me and I always felt a lot of pressure to wear skanky clothing. For all of you who say, "Why can't they be conservative for the sake of their own dignity, instead of following a trend?" I'd respond that when you're a kid, your dignity generally comes second to fitting in and getting guys to like you so you can have prestige among the rest of the girls.

Of course, I'm sure no one here on this board was ever young and succumbed to peer pressure...no, I'm sure you were born independent and free-thinking and immune to the need to fit in

Not likely. I'm glad that being ladylike and having respect for yourself is now "in." Maybe it's not just a trend...maybe it's a sign of the times. Maybe, as that one woman said, the sexy-trashy look really has reached its "saturation point." We should be celebrating, instead of lamenting that teenagers aren't thinking for themselves. It's my opinion that the point of being a teenager is to spend a couple years following the crowd, so that you can then spend a couple years growing out of it and realizing how silly you were being!

 

[softgrey]

Originally posted by MayaPapaya9@Jun 14th, 2004 - 3:28 am
I am really glad to read that article. High school was a very recent experience for me and I always felt a lot of pressure to wear skanky clothing. For all of you who say, "Why can't they be conservative for the sake of their own dignity, instead of following a trend?" I'd respond that when you're a kid, your dignity generally comes second to fitting in and getting guys to like you so you can have prestige among the rest of the girls.

Of course, I'm sure no one here on this board was ever young and succumbed to peer pressure...no, I'm sure you were born independent and free-thinking and immune to the need to fit in

Not likely. I'm glad that being ladylike and having respect for yourself is now "in." Maybe it's not just a trend...maybe it's a sign of the times. Maybe, as that one woman said, the sexy-trashy look really has reached its "saturation point." We should be celebrating, instead of lamenting that teenagers aren't thinking for themselves. It's my opinion that the point of being a teenager is to spend a couple years following the crowd, so that you can then spend a couple years growing out of it and realizing how silly you were being!

i never succumbed...i was the one everyone else was following...including the most popular girls in school...

it really never occurred to me that i should change myself to be accepted, because in my mind...if i wasn't being true to myself and was accepted..then i still wasn't really being accepted for who i am...that is also why i do not believe in plastic surgery or colouring my hair...or padded bras, for that matter...what you see is what you get with me...take it or leave it...

non-conformist...from day one...when i was older i went through a period of "trying to fit in"...it was a complete and utter disaster... i was sooooo miserable because i was no longer comfortable in my own skin ...

i'm so much happier being me than trying to be what others think i should be...and i know my friends truly love me for who i am... quirks and all...

but i guess i wasn't your 'average' teen...

 

[ignitioned32]

Originally posted by softgrey+Jun 14th, 2004 - 3:45 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (softgrey @ Jun 14th, 2004 - 3:45 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MayaPapaya9@Jun 14th, 2004 - 3:28 am
I am really glad to read that article.  High school was a very recent experience for me and I always felt a lot of pressure to wear skanky clothing.  For all of you who say, "Why can't they be conservative for the sake of their own dignity, instead of following a trend?" I'd respond that when you're a kid, your dignity generally comes second to fitting in and getting guys to like you so you can have prestige among the rest of the girls. 

Of course, I'm sure no one here on this board was ever young and succumbed to peer pressure...no, I'm sure you were born independent and free-thinking and immune to the need to fit in 

Not likely.  I'm glad that being ladylike and having respect for yourself is now "in."  Maybe it's not just a trend...maybe it's a sign of the times.  Maybe, as that one woman said, the sexy-trashy look really has reached its "saturation point."  We should be celebrating, instead of lamenting that teenagers aren't thinking for themselves.  It's my opinion that the point of being a teenager is to spend a couple years following the crowd, so that you can then spend a couple years growing out of it and realizing how silly you were being!

i never succumbed...i was the one everyone else was following...including the most popular girls in school...

it really never occurred to me that i should change myself to be accepted, because in my mind...if i wasn't being true to myself and was accepted..then i still wasn't really being accepted for who i am...that is also why i do not believe in plastic surgery or colouring my hair...or padded bras, for that matter...what you see is what you get with me...take it or leave it...

non-conformist...from day one...when i was older i went through a period of "trying to fit in"...it was a complete and utter disaster... i was sooooo miserable because i was no longer comfortable in my own skin ...

i'm so much happier being me than trying to be what others think i should be...and i know my friends truly love me for who i am... quirks and all...

but i guess i wasn't your 'average' teen... [/b][/quote]
Great post soft.

 

[Lena]

i hope you wont mind the merge...

( far too many topics on the end-of-sex trend )

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

you all know that I'd be the first to defend janet jackson, but I have to admit that i am EXTREMELY excited about this move in fashion...

this entire thread was a great read...thanks to all who contributed

 

[clay]

Originally posted by softgrey@Feb 16th, 2004 - 12:58 pm
it's a cycle-ten yrs from now-sex will be fresh again and we'll be back to it...I'm glad that people are covering up-but this whole class/status thing is troubling in its own way...

why does the whole world have to be like high school? don't we learn anything along the way about how to be mature, thoughtful adults? about respecting ourselves and others? why do we choose to cover up only when Marc Jacobs shows bow-neck blouses? isn't it just the proper thing to do if you want to be respected and taken seriously. don't young women have anything more to offer than their physical attributes?!?

I look forward to the day when people start thinking for themselves and don't allow themselves to be dictated to...

My thoughts exactly!

 

[mikeijames]

i'm sorry but i find this entire "trend" highly oppressive and very unrealistic. i know very few women who don't want to look appealing. sure the hemlines are dropping and things are loosening up...but at the end of the day, who doesn't want to be desired in the clothes they wear?

i've not seen any change in the way people dress when their out on the town....not really...things may be flowy but they're sheer....things may looser but they're low cut. i'm not saying that a skirt has to be up to there or a top down to there to be sexy, but i just think that the assertion that sexuality no longer factors into fashion is completely off base.

and who says a woman can't dress sexy and still be respected as a strong intellengent person. when a man wears a prada suit cut within inches of his life and a shirt so tight he can't breath, we call him metrosexual....but when a woman wants a sexy cut, she's labeled in an entirely different way.

such a double standard i think.

 

[ultramarine]

Originally posted by mikeijames@Jun 17th, 2004 - 8:13 pm
i know very few women who don't want to look appealing.

So ... are you saying only women who show skin are appealing?

 

[elegantly_patty]

sexuality and "sex" has been exploited for so long in the fashion industry (Markie Mark CK underwear... etc etc) that it has cheapened it for the rest of us... its no longer a "big" deal for us because it's soo commonly seen. sex no longer posses the old fashioned meaning of morality and purity being tested and ultered... the ad campaigns have desensitised us from being provoked with sexy ads... now we're realising that men and women would rather be or have a partner whom is decent and not liberal... therefore the fashion industry is putting the face of decency on its labels to enforce this...
take it from a 16 yr.. (me) i no longer respond full on to sexy ads of topless guys im just like oh ok... a guy with no shirt... i'd rather see him wearing the merchandise than having his skin sell it...and i no longer want to be the sexy provokative girl in the lingere or bikini ad... i never did.... i personally like being covered up not like a nun but i dont like flaunting my boobs out full on unless it be a nice evening gown u know with a once wearing plunging neckline...

 

[Lena]

Originally posted by mikeijames@Jun 18th, 2004 - 2:13 am
i'm sorry but i find this entire "trend" highly oppressive and very unrealistic. i know very few women who don't want to look appealing. sure the hemlines are dropping and things are loosening up...but at the end of the day, who doesn't want to be desired in the clothes they wear?

i've not seen any change in the way people dress when their out on the town....not really...things may be flowy but they're sheer....things may looser but they're low cut. i'm not saying that a skirt has to be up to there or a top down to there to be sexy, but i just think that the assertion that sexuality no longer factors into fashion is completely off base.

its not a trend where women dont want to look appealing, they just dont want to look naked, in order to look appealing.
focus is moving from sexuality to sensuality, that all.

at the end of the day, who doesn't want to be desired in the clothes they wear?

desire should go a tiny bit further than 'in the clothes we wear',
guys should be given back the bonus excitement of 'undressing', 'discovering' the female. Imagining what is 'hiding' under clothes can be erotic, the 'in your face' attitute can also work as a turn off , for most guys i know, it certainly is.. too much public nudity can be highly anti-erotic.

it takes some time until the trend has actual impact on street level, so be patient, this too will come. I hope you wont mind seeing less flabby stomachs dropping off low rise jeans

 

[Harvz88]

Originally posted by Lena@Jun 19th, 2004 - 1:23 am
I hope you wont mind seeing less flabby stomachs dropping off low rise jeans

HHAHAHAH!!!
definetly!

 

[mikeijames]

Originally posted by Lena@Jun 19th, 2004 - 1:23 am
its not a trend where women dont want to look appealing, they just dont want to look naked, in order to look appealing.
focus is moving from sexuality to sensuality, that all.

desire should go a tiny bit further than 'in the clothes we wear', guys should be given back the bonus excitement of 'undressing', 'discovering' the female. Imagining what is 'hiding' under clothes can be erotic, the 'in your face' attitute can also work as a turn off , for most guys i know, it certainly is.. too much public nudity can be highly anti-erotic.

it takes some time until the trend has actual impact on street level, so be patient, this too will come. I hope you wont mind seeing less flabby stomachs dropping off low rise jeans

i know that fashion has to be about movement and change. you can't play the same note all the time and expect people to continue to buy high end designer wear...after a while, you're going to say you have it all and stop...so i understand WHY people are touting the end of sex now because they're trying to create that dissatisfaction that leads to buying behavior.

what i'm saying is that nothing has fundamentally changed except the spin being put on fashion reporting. i look back through the ads from the past couple of years and there are very few where it's blatant hit-you-over-the-head sex (sure, you have abercrombie and the past couple of seasons of gucci) but look at other campaigns. armani, donna karan, jil sander, vuitton, prada, and almost ALL of the cosmetics ads i see are about sex without having a naked man or woman pose for the camera. so to say there's this sudden shift i think is a little contrived.

and to say that this shift marks a change in public attitudes toward the way they want to look, i still argue, is unfounded.

 

[ahhGucci]

Well, if you want to hold yourself back, its your choice, you are a member of the public, you choose what you like, not to change the rest, but to please yourself.

 

[Lena]

advertising has moved to "less sexy" since ss04 and the trend is hot for fw 04.05

*i believe this 'departure' from sexy looks is coming straight from consumer analysis, much more from the 'younger' ages, mainly teen boys & girls that are a bit bored with all the sex-focusing. In Europe, young kids and teens are totaly against 'lolita' looks, and this creates a conflict with sex driven fashions and their manufacturers (not talking about labels, but mass production as well)

I think this is a normal reaction really, it certainly has a popular basis in my parts of the woods. And of course it poses a real challenge to the fashion companies/designers etc. Not too hard to stir fashions around sex, quite a tough job to create some impact with non-sex-orientated looks, means MORE design and MORE concept .. some people need to start working harder

 

[softgrey]

i agree completely with lena's last two posts...

and as far as what do we call a man in a skintight shirt?...metrosexual?...how about TACKY???!!! and gros and cheesy and eewww....??!?!?!?


I'm not going to respect that person...i will probably be less able to cooncentrate on what they are saying because i will be thinking to myself ..."does this guy actually think this is appealing?"

so it does work both ways...as far as i'm concerned...