The Magnificent Seven - Style.com

[fashionista-ta]

OK, Cathy's Paris 6 were: Marc Jacobs, Nicolas Ghesquiere of Balenciaga, Phoebe Philo of Chloé, Stefano Pilati of Yves Saint Laurent, Olivier Theyskens of Rochas and Alber Elbaz of Lanvin.

To access the complete article, I Googled "Cathy Horyn six designers" and then logged on to the NYT site ...

I've just realized ... this Vogue article is *completely different*

I agree that Rodriguez doesn't belong.

Btw, Suzy Menkes interviewed 4 designers for her Bazaar article about Fall's new direction. They were Marc, Karl, Alber, and Miuccia. I believe Marc was quoted most extensively.

That's what I believe are the three most authoritative voices in fashion rating Marc in the top 4-7 most important/directional designers.

PS He was also in the top 10 collections in WWD the Magazine, which were McQueen, Balenciaga, Burberry, Chanel, Comme des Garcons, Donna Karan, Marc Jacobs, Prada, Rochas, and Viktor & Rolf.

And as I mentioned elsewhere, his work also got the most style.com hits (also from WWD the Magazine). This number is "us:"

D&G 1,661,942
Marc Jacobs 1,548,269 + Vuitton 1,444,073 + Marc by Marc 1,318,143 = 4,310,485
Chanel 1,481,381
Versace 1,470,857
Prada 1,435,249
Sweetface 1,321,919

The experts and the people have spoken.

 

[Spike413]

First off, I fell in love with that photograph of Natalia in the black Rochas dress when I saw it a few days ago in Vogue...gorgeous photo.

Now, I totally disagree with putting Pilati in there for two reasons. For one, I think it's way too soon to put him in with designers as established as Prada, Jacobs, Ghesquiere et all....All others included have not only been in the biz, but have leading the biz for quite some time. Pilati has done two collections (four if you count cruise), I hardly think that qualifies him as a superpower like the rest of the seven. And second, I don't think he's done anything fantastic in those four collections. Sure, those short, flirty, ruffle-hemmed dresses and skirts from his spring collection were cute but really, what else has he done that is so great?

Other then that though, I like the choices.

 

[Scott]

^the autumn collection was rather stupendous,imo,Spike.

 

[Spike413]

^ I do agree, some of the pieces were beautiful, but the styling was a turn off for me....it was a little too stiff.

 

[Scott]

Maybe that's why I liked it,then?

 

[travolta]

btw. before i forget, i have to give credit to birdofparadise for posting that article and championing marc from the beginning. i too was skeptical...

 

[dhclam]

Pilati surely included!!!

Pilati should by all mean be included, IMO. He's been around for long time workign for Italian houses and then at Saint Laurent. He certainly did a lot more at YSL than Tom Ford while he was assisting. Considering he's been so supported n loved by the people who got the message n what he's trying to do at YSL within merely 2 collections. He's so on the list. I still remember how thrilled and relieved for YSL after watching his first collection online. Pilati rocks!!!

 

[Lena]

i agree with everyone here defending Pilati, he's very talented and he has a style all of his own, he's doing a great work at ysl

 

[Mr-Dale]

I see why Pilati's presence in the list can be discussed, but for me personally it's a closed discussion. He does belong in the list, simply because he added some of the elegance and poise to YSL that Ford might've taken away. And with that, he makes a statement. And not a small one, too.

 

[Scott]

^definitely,Dale. I think Pilati has brought back the old YSL charm,in a way. It's certainly distinctive but it's not disrespectful. I bet YSL himself is beside himself with joy of what Pilati is doing there.

 

[Mr-Dale]

I think so too. We at least know he was the opposite when Tom was there.

 

[faust]

OK, Cathy's Paris 6 were: Marc Jacobs, Nicolas Ghesquiere of Balenciaga, Phoebe Philo of Chloé, Stefano Pilati of Yves Saint Laurent, Olivier Theyskens of Rochas and Alber Elbaz of Lanvin.

To access the complete article, I Googled "Cathy Horyn six designers" and then logged on to the NYT site ...

I've just realized ... this Vogue article is *completely different*

I agree that Rodriguez doesn't belong.

Btw, Suzy Menkes interviewed 4 designers for her Bazaar article about Fall's new direction. They were Marc, Karl, Alber, and Miuccia. I believe Marc was quoted most extensively.

That's what I believe are the three most authoritative voices in fashion rating Marc in the top 4-7 most important/directional designers.

PS He was also in the top 10 collections in WWD the Magazine, which were McQueen, Balenciaga, Burberry, Chanel, Comme des Garcons, Donna Karan, Marc Jacobs, Prada, Rochas, and Viktor & Rolf.

And as I mentioned elsewhere, his work also got the most style.com hits (also from WWD the Magazine). This number is "us:"

D&G 1,661,942
Marc Jacobs 1,548,269 + Vuitton 1,444,073 + Marc by Marc 1,318,143 = 4,310,485
Chanel 1,481,381
Versace 1,470,857
Prada 1,435,249
Sweetface 1,321,919

The experts and the people have spoken.

Who are these people? The little instyle reading sheep with their credit cards, ready to jump at the latest must-have item? Who are the experts? The editors who suck *** for advertising dollars?

Jacobs is bland, has always been bland, and will aways be bland. His clothes are a non-event, they have no personality, no design element, no quality, nada.

 

[Scott]

^you say it best. I tried saying it without offending but you can't really...exactly my feelings.

 

[Spike413]

I dunno, I still stand by my original sentiment that it's too soon to include Pilati in this list. Regardless of what he's done, even if it were the most groundbreaking thing in fashion in years, he just hasn't been around long enough as far as I'm concerned. Two good collections hardly justifies calling him a groundbreaker imo. The fact that I don't particularly like what he does aside, I just don't think he's established himself as a power player yet.

 

[Lena]

regardless how high or (basically) low we score on his 'creative talent', Marc Jacobs (yes, i've spelled this right ) is hugely influential in today's fashion world ..there is no question he's been influencing the average consumer , even if it is with the LV monkey bags or the 'retro influenced' high street styles

this Vogue choice was somehow on the point, apart from including Rodriguez and maybe even Theyskens, the rest are hugely influencial in today's fashion.
Regardless on how much they sell each season, all designers portrayed are shaping the way people want to look today.. they shape public taste and 'dictate' what's hot and what's not.
dare say Gaultier & Phoebe Philo should be there to join them, look at the influence Chloe bags and jpg's gypsy style had during the last two seasons... McQueen or Junya may be more 'original' but their work doesnt influence public taste in an 'obvious' direct way

*i always have an automatic distance from what i like and what i understand as being popular or influensive, i can see how the Balenciaga label can be 'important' even if its not to my taste, i can see how Theyskens can affect todays style, even if i couldnt possibly wear something from Rochas, i can see Marc's strength without being a fan

 

[fashionista-ta]

Who are these people? The little instyle reading sheep with their credit cards, ready to jump at the latest must-have item? Who are the experts? The editors who suck *** for advertising dollars?

Jacobs is bland, has always been bland, and will aways be bland. His clothes are a non-event, they have no personality, no design element, no quality, nada.

Anna Wintour is a force to be reckoned with in fashion ... I wasn't aware that she sucked a**. Is it sucking a** to call a designer's business partner and insist he get the designer into rehab? The other two are not editors, they have often been called the only two important critics in fashion--Cathy Horyn and Suzy Menkes.

Btw, these style.com hits were for the first 12 days each show was posted, so these numbers represent people who follow fashion pretty closely, and I'm sure a mix of amateurs and professionals. My guess is that InStyle's core audience isn't even thinking about the next season during fashion weeks--these numbers are pretty hard-core fans.

Perhaps you're right about Marc, and the rest of the fashion world is wrong ... but I don't think so. My guess is you just don't "get" him--and that's OK. I don't really "get" modern art, but I can see that there are people who really do--that there is something there to be got. I don't knock it, I just say it doesn't speak to me.

 

[Pastry]

*though i'm not sure about narciso in there...

Exactly my reaction. But the artcle was amazing, it summed up my feelings anout this season. B)

 

[travolta]

regardless how high or (basically) low we score on his 'creative talent', Marc Jacobs (yes, i've spelled this right ) is hugely influential in today's fashion world ..there is no question he's been influencing the average consumer , even if it is with the LV monkey bags or the 'retro influenced' high street styles

yep. i don't love marc, but he plays the fashion game well, because he can see what it is. there has to be some merit to that.

 

[tott]

Marc Jacobs makes very, very wearable, comfortable and "cosy" clothes. He designs solid basics that people want to wear, and I don't see anything wrong in that. It's not exciting, but it's lovable.

 

[Scott]

Cathy and Suzy only mere critics? Actually,both are well-versed journalists/editors who write for pretty prolific publications. Cathy is senior fashion editor at NY Times,no? As is Suzy for IHT in London. So I wouldn't compare them with being mere critics....they are just as important of figures as Wintour is,imo.