The Magnificent Seven - Style.com

[Lena]

...they are just as important of figures as Wintour is,imo.

not to say MUCH MORE important

 

[Spike413]

regardless how high or (basically) low we score on his 'creative talent', Marc Jacobs (yes, i've spelled this right ) is hugely influential in today's fashion world ..there is no question he's been influencing the average consumer , even if it is with the LV monkey bags or the 'retro influenced' high street styles

this Vogue choice was somehow on the point, apart from including Rodriguez and maybe even Theyskens, the rest are hugely influencial in today's fashion.
Regardless on how much they sell each season, all designers portrayed are shaping the way people want to look today.. they shape public taste and 'dictate' what's hot and what's not.
dare say Gaultier & Phoebe Philo should be there to join them, look at the influence Chloe bags and jpg's gypsy style had during the last two seasons... McQueen or Junya may be more 'original' but their work doesnt influence public taste in an 'obvious' direct way

*i always have an automatic distance from what i like and what i understand as being popular or influensive, i can see how the Balenciaga label can be 'important' even if its not to my taste, i can see how Theyskens can affect todays style, even if i couldnt possibly wear something from Rochas, i can see Marc's strength without being a fan

I was actually thinking the same thing about Gaultier, but then I realized, his real strength lies in his couture. His ready to wear is much less influential then his couture is, so that's possibly why he wasn't included.

 

[Lena]

Gaultier brought out his gypsy look (which we all came to hate following the over-exposure) at his ss06 pret a porter collection, not to say how much he influenced the whole 'afrika' trend

 

[travolta]

i think chalayan could have been included. he knows how to distill w/ integrity. i was looking at his pieces at via bus stop website and he pieces are flawless! it really translates to pieces people could really wear, but it's subtely innovative and flexible. i kind of see his stuff like puzzle pieces for the body. he really trys to be innovative in a practical way and i think THAT will be a trend everyone will try to incorporate more in the future. not speaking about watering down the aesthetic, but really rigourously thinking how can i make the most of the this garment and experiment...i think if H & M or whatever hip chain store was smart they'd want to collaborate with him, but of course, it probably wouldn't work out

ps. his prints are really strong. very fun and smart. A+

 

[fashionista-ta]

not to say MUCH MORE important

Agreed--they are at the tippy-top of the hierarchy, while Anna is head and shoulders (I somewhat reluctantly think) above other editors--and gaining. Both because she has created a unique role for herself, *and* the competition is rather weak.

My point about Suzy and Cathy is that, because the publications they write for are major newspapers and not dependent on fashion advertising, they are independent voices and cannot be said to be sucking a** in exchange for advertising dollars when they make the lists we're discussing. I actually don't think the editors are either ... but I don't see any reasonable way to accuse fashion's most important critics of this.

 

[Lena]

Herald Tribune gets a shocking amount of full page fashion advertising during the Fashion Weeks, all due to Suzy's articles.. so what?

she certainly is depended to Tribune's clients, still -even though sometimes she can get pretty soft on the paper's clients - her reviews are still considered extremely 'directional' for the (fashion) industry

j'adore Suzy but i'm getting off topic

 

[Scott]

^Indeed. I adore her. But to me the idea of independent,I think is more along the lines of somebody like Diane Pernet. One that writes and contributes on a freelance basis for independent sources. The papers that Cathy and Suzy write for are pretty much as established as Vogue magazine is-which does actually mean advertising. Notice the TV campaign for NY Times?

But getting OT,I know

 

[Lena]

ahh i dont like Diane, i dont like her hairstyle and the way she's been turning to a caricature

off topic, i know (slaps herself)

 

[fashionista-ta]

^^ OK, I stand (somewhat) corrected. Can you tell I read all newspapers online? I have always hated, hated newsprint on my hands, even as a kid ...

These newspapers, though, cover much more than fashion, whereas it is the sole topic of fashion magazines, so ticking off an important designer could hurt a magazine much more, I have to believe. Also, presumably these prestigious newspapers have journalistic standards that are significantly higher/different from those of fashion magazines.

I noticed that Cathy nodded to Karl deep in the article, but it's worth noting that her article sums him up pretty accurately and doesn't really suck up to the diva-esque Karl whose biography I believe she's writing.

 

[faust]

Agreed--they are at the tippy-top of the hierarchy, while Anna is head and shoulders (I somewhat reluctantly think) above other editors--and gaining. Both because she has created a unique role for herself, *and* the competition is rather weak.

My point about Suzy and Cathy is that, because the publications they write for are major newspapers and not dependent on fashion advertising, they are independent voices and cannot be said to be sucking a** in exchange for advertising dollars when they make the lists we're discussing. I actually don't think the editors are either ... but I don't see any reasonable way to accuse fashion's most important critics of this.

wake up, honey. newspapers and magazines print what fits in between the ads. that's how they keep the shareholders happy.

 

[faust]

i think chalayan could have been included. he knows how to distill w/ integrity. i was looking at his pieces at via bus stop website and he pieces are flawless! it really translates to pieces people could really wear, but it's subtely innovative and flexible. i kind of see his stuff like puzzle pieces for the body. he really trys to be innovative in a practical way and i think THAT will be a trend everyone will try to incorporate more in the future. not speaking about watering down the aesthetic, but really rigourously thinking how can i make the most of the this garment and experiment...i think if H & M or whatever hip chain store was smart they'd want to collaborate with him, but of course, it probably wouldn't work out

ps. his prints are really strong. very fun and smart. A+

Chalayan will never be included in these mainstream lists. He is not nearly big enough as Comme des Garcons, and he doesn't advertise.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Catch more fausts with honey

wake up, honey. newspapers and magazines print what fits in between the ads. that's how they keep the shareholders happy.

Are you saying they wouldn't be putting Marc on these lists if he weren't a good advertiser? Why then would you say editors championed him during all the years when he didn't have the deep-pocketed backing he has today?

 

[J'ador-DioR]

Still not getting why narciso is considered to be influential. I can honestly say that there isn' t one collection he has done that I liked.

I'm glad that they have included stefano.

Hussein Chalayan,Yohji Yamamoto, Junya watanabe and comme des garcons are in a league of their own. I believe many of these 7 designers would feel intimidated by how timeless many of their pieces are.

 

[faust]

Are you saying they wouldn't be putting Marc on these lists if he weren't a good advertiser? Why then would you say editors championed him during all the years when he didn't have the deep-pocketed backing he has today?

when was that? in 1984 he already worked for a big firm, Perry Ellis. Since 1997 he's designed for Louis Vuitton, which also owns his own label.

 

[tott]

wake up, honey. newspapers and magazines print what fits in between the ads. that's how they keep the shareholders happy.

Too true...

 

[fashionista-ta]

when was that? in 1984 he already worked for a big firm, Perry Ellis. Since 1997 he's designed for Louis Vuitton, which also owns his own label. Are you really that blind?

Hmmm ... I could point out that although Marc won the Perry Ellis Golden Thimble award in 1984, it wasn't till 1988 that he went to work for Perry Ellis, where he was summarily fired for his groundbreaking grunge collection in 1992 ...

But I think it will be much easier just to agree with you that you and only you have eyes to see through the farce that is international journalism, Marc Jacobs, and anyone and everyone who doesn't see things your way.

 

[faust]

Hmmm ... I could point out that although Marc won the Perry Ellis Golden Thimble award in 1984, it wasn't till 1988 that he went to work for Perry Ellis, where he was summarily fired for his groundbreaking grunge collection in 1992 ...

But I think it will be much easier just to agree with you that you and only you have eyes to see through the farce that is international journalism, Marc Jacobs, and anyone and everyone who doesn't see things your way.

"Groundbraking grunge collection?" Who broke the ground? Kurt Cobain?

There are plenty of people on this forum that dislike him. BTW, I have a book recommendation for you, "Emperor's New Clothes." You should read it one day.

 

[Lena]

does everyone has to share YOUR view faust?
this is a public forum, one needs to respect that there will be more opinions than one

 

[faust]

does everyone has to share YOUR view faust?
this is a public forum, one needs to respect that there will be more opinions than one

no, but I surely hope that I can defend my opinion in the public forum.

 

[Lena]

of course you can faust, you are doing this already