The Pretension Of Yves Saint Laurent

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  1. Spike413

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    I agree with you completely on the whole "spoiled grapes" issue. To me it does seem like Tom just pissed Yves off in some way and therefore Yves hated Tom, not necessarily on the basis of the designs. Great post datura!
     
  2. Lena

    Lena etre soi-meme

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    ditto spike :flower:

    thanks for the 'on the -F- spot ' analysis datura :heart:
     
  3. Spike413

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    I'm sorry if you misunderstood my calling Chanel feminine. I never meant airy at all. To me, feminie clothing has nothing to do with clothing being light or airy. I meant simply that, no matter how androgynous Mlle. Chanel's designs might have been, there was always something she did to distiguish femininity without having to be airy or frilly. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
     
  4. tott

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    Yes, because Gucci used to make only leather goods, shoes and accessories. TF did get the chance to define Gucci style precisely because it didn't exist as far as clothes go. I'm not so sure he would've been able to adapt to an already existing style and philosophy... He couldn't at YSL.

    (Just an FYI in case someone reading this didn't realise: Gucci only started making clothes at the beginning of the 90's if memory serves me right.)
     
  5. Erzébeth

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    i liked ysl's ideas and clothes but i can't say i like how he's carrying on. he agreed to sell his name, instead of just closing shop. so he doesn't really have a right to whine. and he can blame people for the death of couture all he likes, but c'est la vie. the industry changes. he needs to deal with it..
     
  6. mikeijames

    mikeijames no tom ford, no thanks.

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    i really want to know the inner dynamics of what happened...for a man who seems so concerned with the image of his name (and very rightfully so), i simply don't understand why he didn't choose another route. we all know the answer is money, but i'm quite sure he could live healthily on the revenues from the fragrances alone...besides, it always seems pointed at tom ford -- i want mr. pilati to start churning out silly little "the spirit of ysl" clothes like elbaz did and watch what happens to the brand...and i know this is bringing another dynamic into the mix, but if PPR starts licensing the name...won't that muddy his name so much more (think of calvin klein underwear and his namesake collection)...

    this is certainly high fashion drama
     
  7. softgrey

    softgrey flaunt the imperfection

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    i hope pilati does not follow in the footsteps of ford or elbaz, mikeijames... i hope he is talented enough to give us his own spin on the ysl vibe...more than one way to skin a cat....meow...
     
  8. Spike413

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    Personally, I'm neautral to Pilati, but I am wondering, if he turns out a bad collection, what will Yves and Pierre say? Will he get the same response that Tom did, I guess I'll have to wait and see. It may clear up whether Yves just didn't like Tom or if he actually feels the way he claims to.
     
  9. Urban Stylin

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    to avoid turning this into aother pro /con tf most like his work anda few didnt?
     
  10. Erzébeth

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    if i were ysl or stefano i'd be embarassed B)

    especially if i were ysl though, after championing this new stefano :lol:
     
  11. Orochian

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    I'm surprised no one has attempted to reference Pilati's work at Miu Miu when hypothesizing about his future collections for YSL. It was reported that he had a significant creative input there, possibly even bigger than Miuccia Prada's.

    I'm too lazy to search for specific pics, but my casual recollection of Miu Miu during that era doesn't exactly bring up the most spectacular clothes. Miu Miu at its infancy as a brand was quite horrid, IMO, and it wasn't until the very recent collections that the clothes started to have their own character, instead of merely being a campier, frillier, more outlandish version of Prada.
     
  12. softgrey

    softgrey flaunt the imperfection

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    good observation orochian...i don't know when pilati was at miu miu...but the clothes haven't always been good...i wonder which collections pilati worked on... :unsure:
     
  13. ignitioned32

    ignitioned32 Mannikin

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    Ofcourse he has the right to whine. He expected Tom do to good things, right? :wink: And as Lena wrote earlier,
     
  14. ignitioned32

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    if i were ysl or stefano i'd be embarassed B)

    especially if i were ysl though, after championing this new stefano :lol: [/b][/quote]
    I wouldn't be, and they should not be too, embarrased if Stefano turned out a bad collection because let's face it he is a new designer at Yves' house and Yves has to endorse him as a little payback to Tom. B) And its not like he christened Steafno as the new "Saviour of couture" or something. :huh:
     
  15. mikeijames

    mikeijames no tom ford, no thanks.

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    first, i remember some early miu miu having this totally funky vibe and being totally almost underground and/or strickly eurotrash (really hit and miss items)...but then again, prada used to be a lot more funky and unexpected in those days (thinking about the ostrich skirt or the mirrored bags from the late nineties)...so if he had anything to do with that maybe he could bring something funky to ysl...who knows...but what about ysl menswear?

    secondly, maybe i have got this all wrong, but if i put my name behind a collection or a brand, while shifting economic tides may influence me to otherwise do things i would later regret, someone somewhere should have advised him that in selling his company he would not like all decisions made. that's the price you pay for giving up control. it's sort of like being a celebrity. your name is no longer a simple appelation, it's a marketing tool, it's a product...that's the choice you make...if he wanted to preserve ysl, he could have sought out private financing (like many other labels do) and maintained some level of control...he didn't and now he has to live with it...to blame tom ford for that is just immature. :yuk:
     
  16. softgrey

    softgrey flaunt the imperfection

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    dude-he's....YSL....he has a history if mental instability ...he's having a nervous breakdown every other day....he's always had to go away for 'a rest' because of his mental state...he's a tortured soul...the whole thing with ford is just the kind of thing you'd expect from the drama queen himself...this is just the kind of drama that makes fashion fun and exciting....it's all part of the spectacle....let ysl say whatever he wants...it's fun to read...


    ooooh-what will happen next.... :innocent:
     
  17. Spike413

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    The tension mounts!
    And I gotta say, even though I haven't agreed with you on this topic very much, it would be totally entertainig to see Yves throw a hissy fit cause now he doesn't think Pilati is good enough either. But hey, if you can't be a drama queen in fashion, then where can you be one? :P
     
  18. pennyfei

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    I have never thought that YSL himself would like Ford's Collection for the label. They are quite different designers and i can imagine having the job title of head designer at YSL.
    I applaud for what Ford has done (or has "destroyed", in YSL's words) for the house and Alexander McQueen probably made a smart decision not to take the job at YSL. (not another Givenchy experience, i guess)
    As far as the new guy, Stefano Pilati, I fully support him and I also heard or read somewhere of his great work for Miu Miu and he had a great working relationship with Ford.
    This guy is in the spotlight now and will garner a lot of attention and be uner quite a bit of pressure this coming October so let's see if he's good enough for the job. As i say, the only thing you can judge a designer is by looking at his collections. Any pretentious talk is useless.
     
  19. softgrey

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    The tension mounts!
    And I gotta say, even though I haven't agreed with you on this topic very much, it would be totally entertainig to see Yves throw a hissy fit cause now he doesn't think Pilati is good enough either. But hey, if you can't be a drama queen in fashion, then where can you be one? :P [/b][/quote]
    hollywood :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    tf's new home.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :innocent:
     
  20. kit

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    I was sitting in a waiting room at the hospital , today , and there was nothing else interesting to read than the March edition of VOGUE UK .

    There is a double page on the ' retirement ' of the great TF , one side on the highlights of his collections for GUCCI , and on the other , the ' highlights ' of his collections for YSL .

    Needless to say , the second side was marked by the lack of anything really distinctive , apart from the peasant blouse of A/W 02 . :(

    The GUCCI page did have SOME ' glitzy ' character , on the other hand , and I thought that , really , this contrast said it all about what has been discussed in this thread .

    Tom Ford - a great showman , but NOT anybody with the calibre as a designer of the ' great ' Yves Saint Laurent , himself .

    KIT :innocent:
     

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