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The Vegetarian & Vegan Thread

^_^ Its so great your so excited!! I wish I could go vegan, but my mom says it'll make me sick (which is really silly considering my grandmom was vegan for years and is the healthiest and fittest person I know!).

I was joining in watching What's Good For You with my mum not too long ago, and they tested 5 people to find out who was the healthiest: A hardcore meat eater (butcher), a lean meat eater, a balanced dieter, an ovo-lacto vegetarian and a vegan (athlete).

The results from most healthy to least healthy were as follows:

Ovo-Lacto Vegetarian
Balanced Dieter
Vegan
Lean Meat Eater
Butcher

The vegan only lost points as his vitamin B12 and iron stats were REALLY, really low. He hadn't been taking any supplements, though :innocent:

(we win! :woot:)
 
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I was joining in watching What's Good For You with my mum not too long ago, and they tested 5 people to find out who was the healthiest: A hardcore meat eater (butcher), a lean meat eater, a balanced dieter, an ovo-lacto vegetarian and a vegan (athlete).

The results from most healthy to least healthy were as follows:

Ovo-Lacto Vegetarian
Balanced Dieter
Vegan
Lean Meat Eater
Butcher

The vegan only lost points as his vitamin B12 and iron stats were REALLY, really low. He hadn't been taking any supplements, though :innocent:

(we win! :woot:)
:bounce::clap:Thanks for that, I can use that when people say even ovo-lacto vegetarians are unhealthy

cosomgrl - Alpro Soya youghurts are seriously yummy! I prefer them over normal yoghurt :flower:
 
I highly recommend the following site:

http://www.whfoods.org/

They are very pro fruit and veg, and tell you everything you need to know about healthy foods.

If you eat a balanced vegetarian diet, with lots of varied fruit and veg and water, you will always reamin super-healthy forever!!!
 
I went through a phase in highschool where I wanted to become a vegetarian, however that quickly ended when I replaced meats with carbs ****. I never properly informed myself of subsitutes.

Then I tried tofu and soy products. Someone had told me you couldn't tell the difference between soy and regular products. Let's just say I was disappointed. Because I didn't go into it with the knowledge I have now on products and the safe way of becoming a vegetarian I was put off.

Someday I'd like to attempt doing it again, but for now I'll stick to my regular diet. Although recentley, I'd say in the past year I have certainly cut down on my meat intake. I consume alot more vegetables then I did before. I've also subsituted hamburger meats with Yves Soy Meats. They are actually quite good and I highly recomend them.
 
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^Not really, I eat alot of carbs, and my body seems to thrive on it. think it varies person to person to be honest. I :heart: my carbs
 
I love yogurt too, especially Dannon Fit and Light. Are there any yummy soy yogurts?

I loooove yogurt as well!! :heart: I buy this Stonyfield Farms Yogurt..
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And I like it so much that I decided to try their soy yogurt..
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But I was very disappointed. It's somewhat runny and has a very strange taste. I'm planning on using the rest in smoothies because I'd feel bad throwing them away! Needless to say, I DONT recommend them. :yuk: A few years ago I tried another brand of soy yogurt that was really good, but I can't remember which brand! :doh:
 
castingcrowns please credit your pictures. Thanks.

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please also remember that weight discussion is not allowed, even in this context.
 
I don't take B12 supplements. Hmm, right now I'm not too worried as we were given 2 blocks of local feta (ooh i'm so naughty, but when you're given it....it's so frickin' hard to resist!). However if I ever want to amp up my B12 I'll go back to drinking spirulina.
 
I highly recommend the following site:

http://www.whfoods.org/

They are very pro fruit and veg, and tell you everything you need to know about healthy foods.

If you eat a balanced vegetarian diet, with lots of varied fruit and veg and water, you will always reamin super-healthy forever!!!

That's an extremely informative website; thanks for the link! :flower: I suddenly have a strong urge to buy some eggplant.
 
Kingsland (New Zealand/Australia) makes a really nice soy yoghurt. Unfortunately it's really out of my price range. Their soy cheese is..vile however. It tasted like...styrofoam.
 
^ Thanks for the recommendation! I'll keep a look out for the yogurt & steer clear of the cheese! :lol:
 
Soyonlineservice.co.nz

Maybe some of you will have chanced upon "Soy Online Service.co.nz". It's a New Zealand based website, one of the few that tries to demonstrate that soy is actually hazardous to human health. I have no problem with this website. Until recently, I believed that it was run by some adults who wished to put a differing opinion out there. However this couldn't be further than the truth. I'd like to post an e-mail conversation that recently occured. Judge for yourselves.

> email: [email protected]
>
> to: Soy Online Service
>
> name: Frances
>
> subject2: Nina Planck Op-Ed piece
>
> comments: I'm appalled that you published the ignorant article by Nina
> Planck on your website. The author of the Op-Ed piece has an agenda to
> sell her book which promotes Meat and Dairy products, knows very little
> about nutrition and does not state a single source in her article.
>
> These ignorant people merely starved their child to death. Would the
> article have been published if the parents were on the SAD? I doubt it.
> They were ignorant people, regardless of their dietary choices (as stated
> before, the Veganism had little to do with the tragedy. Breast is best, as
> any parent knows. Apple juice is nowhere on the list.) Please don't use
> such an unfortunate event to further your agenda. It's misguided and
> petty.
>

Hi FRM We help the webmaster.It's too bad that you wish to censor the NYT. What's your opinion of the research from NIH Pubmed in the website?
Does that appall you too? Valerie

Hi Valerie and Richard,

The main problem is that this piece is an Op-Ed. This means that the piece is purely opinion, one with dubious intent. If your site is intended to be a Information Service then it is your duty to present study and research to the public, not fear and hatemongering of Veganism. I would like to point out that a large percentage of babies are vegan, any baby not fed cow's milk formula. This baby was fed soy milk and apple juice, in very small quantities.

If you believe it is acceptable to publish from an article which provides not one citation to back up its theories, then it lays doubt on the credibility of the entire site.

Please understand that this article is not about soy, nor enlightening the public on the effects of soy. As the judge ruled, soy was not the cause of death in this infant. It was malnourishment and neglect. As I stated previously, I feel it is irresponsible for your site to use this tragedy to further your personal agenda regarding Veganism and Soy.

From: [email protected]
www.soyonlineservice.co.nz has over 200 citations in the form of summary abstracts of research with links to the originals in PubMed. You should read them. The webmaster likes to make available media articles so people not as smart, or blind, as you can get the message. We suggest you study them

Hi Valerie,

You seem to have misunderstood my e-mail. I have no problem with your contention of soy's health benefits - indeed I do not subscribe to the field of thought that soy is a necessary health product. My problem is that your site is predominantly (from what I can tell) focused on expert conclusions regarding the benefits or hazards of soy consumption. However the article "Death by Veganism" is not written by an expert. In fact the author in question holds no qualifications in any scientific or medical field. Without any knowledge of nutrition, the author makes outlandish claims about a dietary choice which many choose to take - the majority of the article is not focused on soy or soy products, it is a personal attack on a way of life that is subscribed to by millions of people around the planet.

For you to publish such an article suggests a personal agenda which is contrary to the intention of the site. I believe that the public should have access to differing opinions on such a widely consumed food. However, as you felt the need to insult me and call me blind and stupid, I would like to point out several very basic facts that may have escaped your attention when you posted the article.

The first is that the death of the infant was not caused by soy. If indeed soy had been the cause of death in this infant then of course, the headline would have been worthy of the site. Crown Shakur was born in a bathtub. He was never taken to a doctor. He was barely fed, and never breastfed. He died at 6 weeks old of starvation. Although soy milk would not have provided adequate nutrition for the development of a healthy baby, in this case it would be impossible to determine whether Crown would have survived had he been fed larger quantities of the product. Needless to say any responsible parent would breastfeed a child and not provide their child fruit juice and a very small amount of soy milk as a nutritional formula. This is even stated on the side of soy milk packets. The idea that fruit juice and soy milk is a vegan diet is completely ridiculous.

The second is that Nina Planck makes some very large errors in her article. This may be due to her lack of any scientific expertise. While I would be happy to go through every single claim the author makes, several people have already taken the time and effort to do so for me, so I will provide you with some links, as you seem to like reading and keeping yourselves informed.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20070529.html
http://consciouskitchen.blogspot.com/2007/05/response-to-death-by-veganism.html
http://www.pcrm.org/news/commentary070521.html
http://www.drmcdougall.com/response_to_ny_times.htm
http://vegfamily.com/news/op-ed-nyt.htm
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070510/clth120.html?.v=19

I am disappointed that such a prominent website would resort to calling a concerned reader stupid and blind. Although you like to make the assumption that I am short of a few brain cells, I am merely informing you that posting an Op-Ed piece is not akin to posting work from qualified researchers and scientists, and that such a work has no place on a website that prides itself in providing an alternate opinion regarding the intake of soy. It provides no citations and pulls vague statistics from seemingly nowhere. It uses the tragic death of a child to vilify a dietary choice.

Again, I will state, this opinion article is not about soy. Your website is "soy online service". I hope this e-mail will help you understand my initial and subsequent e-mails specifically regarding the article "Death by Veganism" by Nina Planck.

Regards,
Frances

:innocent:
:innocent:
:ninja:
Yeah....the bolded underlined part is just, you know, my favourite part. Hey, aren't you looking forward to what lovely sweet e-mails I'll receive in my inbox tomorrow?
 
^ :shock:

I desperately need to know where I can buy vegan products. I'm Australian and this afternoon returned from Franklins with my mum, completely empty handed (save for some mushrooms and capsicum).

Does Woolworths sell vegan brands? Or Coles, for that matter? I must know, any help would be appreciated :flower:
 
Maybe some of you will have chanced upon "Soy Online Service.co.nz". It's a New Zealand based website, one of the few that tries to demonstrate that soy is actually hazardous to human health. I have no problem with this website. Until recently, I believed that it was run by some adults who wished to put a differing opinion out there. However this couldn't be further than the truth. I'd like to post an e-mail conversation that recently occured. Judge for yourselves.

> email: [email protected]
>
> to: Soy Online Service
>
> name: Frances
>
> subject2: Nina Planck Op-Ed piece
>
> comments: I'm appalled that you published the ignorant article by Nina
> Planck on your website. The author of the Op-Ed piece has an agenda to
> sell her book which promotes Meat and Dairy products, knows very little
> about nutrition and does not state a single source in her article.
>
> These ignorant people merely starved their child to death. Would the
> article have been published if the parents were on the SAD? I doubt it.
> They were ignorant people, regardless of their dietary choices (as stated
> before, the Veganism had little to do with the tragedy. Breast is best, as
> any parent knows. Apple juice is nowhere on the list.) Please don't use
> such an unfortunate event to further your agenda. It's misguided and
> petty.
>

Hi FRM We help the webmaster.It's too bad that you wish to censor the NYT. What's your opinion of the research from NIH Pubmed in the website?
Does that appall you too? Valerie

Hi Valerie and Richard,

The main problem is that this piece is an Op-Ed. This means that the piece is purely opinion, one with dubious intent. If your site is intended to be a Information Service then it is your duty to present study and research to the public, not fear and hatemongering of Veganism. I would like to point out that a large percentage of babies are vegan, any baby not fed cow's milk formula. This baby was fed soy milk and apple juice, in very small quantities.

If you believe it is acceptable to publish from an article which provides not one citation to back up its theories, then it lays doubt on the credibility of the entire site.

Please understand that this article is not about soy, nor enlightening the public on the effects of soy. As the judge ruled, soy was not the cause of death in this infant. It was malnourishment and neglect. As I stated previously, I feel it is irresponsible for your site to use this tragedy to further your personal agenda regarding Veganism and Soy.

From: [email protected]
www.soyonlineservice.co.nz has over 200 citations in the form of summary abstracts of research with links to the originals in PubMed. You should read them. The webmaster likes to make available media articles so people not as smart, or blind, as you can get the message. We suggest you study them

Hi Valerie,

You seem to have misunderstood my e-mail. I have no problem with your contention of soy's health benefits - indeed I do not subscribe to the field of thought that soy is a necessary health product. My problem is that your site is predominantly (from what I can tell) focused on expert conclusions regarding the benefits or hazards of soy consumption. However the article "Death by Veganism" is not written by an expert. In fact the author in question holds no qualifications in any scientific or medical field. Without any knowledge of nutrition, the author makes outlandish claims about a dietary choice which many choose to take - the majority of the article is not focused on soy or soy products, it is a personal attack on a way of life that is subscribed to by millions of people around the planet.

For you to publish such an article suggests a personal agenda which is contrary to the intention of the site. I believe that the public should have access to differing opinions on such a widely consumed food. However, as you felt the need to insult me and call me blind and stupid, I would like to point out several very basic facts that may have escaped your attention when you posted the article.

The first is that the death of the infant was not caused by soy. If indeed soy had been the cause of death in this infant then of course, the headline would have been worthy of the site. Crown Shakur was born in a bathtub. He was never taken to a doctor. He was barely fed, and never breastfed. He died at 6 weeks old of starvation. Although soy milk would not have provided adequate nutrition for the development of a healthy baby, in this case it would be impossible to determine whether Crown would have survived had he been fed larger quantities of the product. Needless to say any responsible parent would breastfeed a child and not provide their child fruit juice and a very small amount of soy milk as a nutritional formula. This is even stated on the side of soy milk packets. The idea that fruit juice and soy milk is a vegan diet is completely ridiculous.

The second is that Nina Planck makes some very large errors in her article. This may be due to her lack of any scientific expertise. While I would be happy to go through every single claim the author makes, several people have already taken the time and effort to do so for me, so I will provide you with some links, as you seem to like reading and keeping yourselves informed.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20070529.html
http://consciouskitchen.blogspot.com/2007/05/response-to-death-by-veganism.html
http://www.pcrm.org/news/commentary070521.html
http://www.drmcdougall.com/response_to_ny_times.htm
http://vegfamily.com/news/op-ed-nyt.htm
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070510/clth120.html?.v=19

I am disappointed that such a prominent website would resort to calling a concerned reader stupid and blind. Although you like to make the assumption that I am short of a few brain cells, I am merely informing you that posting an Op-Ed piece is not akin to posting work from qualified researchers and scientists, and that such a work has no place on a website that prides itself in providing an alternate opinion regarding the intake of soy. It provides no citations and pulls vague statistics from seemingly nowhere. It uses the tragic death of a child to vilify a dietary choice.

Again, I will state, this opinion article is not about soy. Your website is "soy online service". I hope this e-mail will help you understand my initial and subsequent e-mails specifically regarding the article "Death by Veganism" by Nina Planck.

Regards,
Frances

:innocent:
:innocent:
:ninja:
Yeah....the bolded underlined part is just, you know, my favourite part. Hey, aren't you looking forward to what lovely sweet e-mails I'll receive in my inbox tomorrow?

:shock::blink::o

WOW... their replies are so childish & petty....

Cheers to you for always sending them back a witty reply! :flower::lol:
 
The webmaster likes to make available media articles so people not as smart, or blind, as you can get the message. We suggest you study them
"Rude" doesn't even begin to cover that. :shock::angry:
 

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