2011 Academy Awards

social network...ugh....biggest piece of dreck i've seen all year. sorry people. i just didn't find such a story that worthy to be such a massive cinema production....tv movie,perhaps? i left early because i just couldn't take how boring it really was.

and as far as black swan.....mila was okay....can't say she was all that she's being hyped up to be though. honestly,i wasn't even that blown away by natalie portman either. winona ryder for me was the true performance in that film,as small as it was.
 
Do you guys think any of the recent Best Picture nominees have been genuine classics/masterpieces? For me, the films are usually pretty good, but not quite amazing ... and no "better" than plenty of other movies.

There Will Be Blood has been the lone exception for me. The film was very well-made, and I think it will be viewed favorably in the future.
 
Ew, Kidman doesn't even deserve to get nominated. I don't understand the acclaim for her performance at all. It was decent enough, but she's done much better work the last decade, including a similar character in Birth. I also hated Rabbit Hole the movie, so that may have effected my judgment of her performance.

Natalie deserves and will win. It's a once in a lifetime role and performance and it's going to become iconic with time.
 
Do you guys think any of the recent Best Picture nominees have been genuine classics/masterpieces? For me, the films are usually pretty good, but not quite amazing ... and no "better" than plenty of other movies.

There Will Be Blood has been the lone exception for me. The film was very well-made, and I think it will be viewed favorably in the future.

Was that the year that 3:10 to Yuma came out? If so, that was an exceptional year, one of the only times I've seen almost all the nominees.

I think the nature of movie-going/-making, and therefore Best Picture, has changed in recent years. Take the year that had Forrest Gump and Saving Private Ryan, and even The Thin Red Line, for example. They weren't just movies, they were iconic movies. If you didn't see those movies, you were actively missing out on a part of pop culture. Not that it was impossible to go without seeing them -- I didn't see either until years later -- but even I knew the plots in detail and I had the Forrest Gump soundtrack, and we were all quoting the, "Life is like a box of chocolates," bit. They were everywhere.

And in the years directly before, we had, in order: Driving Miss Daisy, Dances With Wolves, The Silence of the Lambs, Unforgiven, and Schindler's List. Whether or not anyone would agree that the right movies won (Goodfellas vs. Dances With Wolves still inspires heated internet flame wars), those movies all influenced the culture at the time, and it felt like everyone had seen them. They won Best Picture partly because they were very good movies, but also partly, I think, because they had become part of the zeitgeist. They were the best by virtue of the fact that they were what people wanted to see.

Compare that to today. Black Swan is a good movie, and so is The Social Network, but it's not as if I need to see them to get what is happening in pop culture. They're just sort of... there. In fact, none of the Best Picture winners in recent years have had that same changing effect on people. There's been the usual buzz, sure, but none of the winners have become part of the culture the way movies used to.

Even amongst the nominees, there are movies that just... they're good movies from an artistic standpoint, I guess, but the question for me is: If people don't want to see them, are they really deserving of being nominated? I don't know anyone who saw Michael Clayton, and only one person who had even heard of it before it started picking up Oscar buzz. Did that movie really belong in the Best Picture category?

I don't think about film as much some people do, so I'm not the one who can try to pinpoint the qualitative difference in movies between then and now. Personally, I feel like they've become more depressing, overall, which is not something I'm interested in paying for. Not that In the Name of the Father or Schindler's List were a barrel of laughs, but they were balanced by other movies that were released.

And, frankly, the economy wasn't in the ****ter then like it is now. In times of economic hardship, people use movies as escapism. And that's fine. It's definitely possible to make an uplifting film that is a work of art. But, for whatever reason, Hollywood hasn't gone that route. Or, if they have, the Academy doesn't seem as interested in awarding them. The films just keep getting darker and darker, and people aren't interested.

I think it's for several reasons. First, partly because of rising theater costs -- people actually stop and ask themselves whether their $10-$15 wouldn't be better spent elsewhere. And with everything being released on DVD, people see movies at different times, so nothing really takes hold. And then, of course, there's the fact that there are just so many more movies now. I could watch movies all year and not see the same movies as my friend.

Anyway, this is all a little disjointed (I was thinking while typing) and, as I said, I know very little about movies except which ones I like to watch, but even I can tell that there's something different about movie-going these days. People like what they like, what moves them or makes them feel good, but the Academy seems to be off doing its own thing and that's why the winners aren't going to stand up as well to the test of time.
 
Even amongst the nominees, there are movies that just... they're good movies from an artistic standpoint, I guess, but the question for me is: If people don't want to see them, are they really deserving of being nominated? I don't know anyone who saw Michael Clayton, and only one person who had even heard of it before it started picking up Oscar buzz. Did that movie really belong in the Best Picture category?

I can't really debate about Michael Clayton being nominated, because I didn't see it. Still, I think people going in masses to see the films there are nominated, shouldn't be the point of the Oscars. For that, you have People's Choice Awards or even Golden Globes. To me, it should be about the quality of a movie before its popularity. And that's why nominations like The Blind Side, last year, are frustating. Because if they're not nominating for quality, then what's the point of the Oscars? And then there's the fact that, over and over again, the popular actors and the popular movies aren't good, from a creative point of view. Of course, there are exceptions but still... as I said, it would become PCA and not the Oscars.
 
Ew, Kidman doesn't even deserve to get nominated. I don't understand the acclaim for her performance at all. It was decent enough, but she's done much better work the last decade, including a similar character in Birth. I also hated Rabbit Hole the movie, so that may have effected my judgment of her performance.

Natalie deserves and will win. It's a once in a lifetime role and performance and it's going to become iconic with time.

I agree w you about Natalie. I've seen the performances of Jennifer Lawrence and Annette Benning (am I the only who thinks this one is overrated?). I think Natalie's the most impressive.
As for the Rabbit Hole, I've been deciding if I should see it or not. To be honest, I am NOT a fan of Nicole Kidman. So... I'll probably hate it.

But what about the actors... what do you think?
 
I can't really debate about Michael Clayton being nominated, because I didn't see it. Still, I think people going in masses to see the films there are nominated, shouldn't be the point of the Oscars. For that, you have People's Choice Awards or even Golden Globes. To me, it should be about the quality of a movie before its popularity. And that's why nominations like The Blind Side, last year, are frustating. Because if they're not nominating for quality, then what's the point of the Oscars? And then there's the fact that, over and over again, the popular actors and the popular movies aren't good, from a creative point of view. Of course, there are exceptions but still... as I said, it would become PCA and not the Oscars.

I agree with you to a certain extent. People who voted for The Blind Side should have their Academy membership revoked, and I'm not even kidding about that. I can't say more than that about it or I'll start ranting and my whole post will be nothing but "*******".

I don't think the most popular films should be nominated, even though, reading my post again, I can see how it sounded like that. My point was more that, in the past, Hollywood managed to make good movies that were also appealing, and that's sort of fallen by the wayside these days. They shouldn't nominate based on popularity, but the films they do award Best Picture should be more than arthouse flicks no one wants to see.

While it's fine to say, "Oh, the general public just doesn't get art," that only gets one so far. Not everything that's popular should be nominated -- because people see movies for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with artistic value -- but things that are nominated should be at least a little popular.

Like, Thomas Kincaide's work is popular, but his art sucks. There's no other word for it. He should never win any awards, ever, and anyone who has ever thought of awarding him anything should be embarrassed. Picasso's work, on the other hand, is both popular and awesome. But I'm hard-pressed to think of someone whose work is awesome but not at all appreciated, not even a little, probably because it doesn't happen often. To extend that to movies, if you have a movie that other movie makers think is awesome, but no one goes to see it, is it really?

Put another way: If you create a piece of art and the only people who like it are art critics, is it really good? If people can't relate to it, if it doesn't speak to them on any level, how much value does it have? I won't say it doesn't have any value, but should such a thing be winning Best Picture? I go back and forth on the answers to those questions, but I do think that truly great art, whatever the medium, tells a story that people want to hear even if they don't quite know it yet.

For me, the problem is that movie makers have gotten lazy, for lack of a better word, and they're forgetting the people for whom they're making the movies, and that's why some of the more recent winners aren't aging as well as past winners have.

This year's nominations aren't bad. The movies are the best of the lot, I think (based on the ones I've seen). It's just that the lot isn't what it used to be.
 
I just saw TRON: Legacy.
It was absolutely fan-tas-tic.
Really want to see it getting best visual effects and sound editing/mix.
I'm not naive enough to expect the academy to give the award to Daft Punk no matter how perfect, bad-*** and matching the soundtrack was :P
 
Do you guys think any of the recent Best Picture nominees have been genuine classics/masterpieces? For me, the films are usually pretty good, but not quite amazing ... and no "better" than plenty of other movies.

I agree with this. I can't really speak for this years best picture nominees for the golden globes because I've only seen two of the five (black swan/inception) but for previous years for the Oscars, the winners have been just good movies.

In my personal opinion, I really think there hasn't been a masterpiece or classic since Gladiator won in 2000, (i'm going from 2000 and on haha). The Academy had an opportunity to honor a great film with Brokeback Mountain but chose Crash instead.

I really don't know if the Academy can chose 10 significant movies this year for Best Picture. I would probably throw my TV out the window if I see Burlesque or The Tourist in the Best Picture category just to fill in spots. They might as well stick to 5 again.
 
^Please tell me you did NOT just call Gladiator a "masterpiece" and/or "classic"? :ninja: That is one of the worst Best Picture winners ever. It's a fun movie, gorgeous to look at, beautiful score but it's not even close to being actually a good movie. From the films nominated there were at least two better movies, Traffic and CROUCHING TIGER and even more that didn't get nominated, like Requiem for a Dream, Dancer in the Dark, You can Count on Me, etc.

Anyway, I agree that less 'event' movies have won Best Picture in the last decade than even in the previous decade, though I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing. 90s had some terrible movies walk away with Best Picture, namely Shakespeare in Love (over Saving Private Ryan), Titanic (over LA Confidential), Forrest Gump (although I enjoy it, should never have won against Shawshank Redemption), Dances with Wolves (over Goodfellas).

Take last year for example, The Hurt Locker was far and away the Best Film of the year imo and it's one of the most deserving Best Picture winners ever. Yet, it's got a dubious distinction of being the lowest grossing movie to win the prize. Whose fault is that. Should the Academy not have voted for it because people refused to see it? Avatar was the event movie of the year (if not the decade) but it didn't deserve to win Best Picture because really it was not a good movie. Yeah, it was fun, 3D, cool, etc but not enough substance. Plus, the next three highest grossing movies of the year were Transformers, Harry Potter and Twilight. Additionally, even with ten movies getting Picture nominations, only THREE of them were in the top 20 grossing movies of the year. And the reason is not that Academy nominated especially high-brow or elitist movies (though there was some of that), the reason is because the top 20 list is made of titles such as Alvin and the Chipmunks, Sherlock Holmes, X-Men 3, Night at the Museum, 2012, Paul Blart, plus the three I already mentioned. THOSE ARE THE MOVIES people went to see in droves. So who can blame the studios and Hollywood for not producing more quality movies, when they can just put together a bunch of sequels and crappy CGI movies and people will show up.

I don't know why there's such a disconnect between great movies and high grossing movies. But I'm glad, at least last year, the Academy went with quality over populism. Seems the only movies that consistently deliver at the box office while keeping up the quality are the Pixar animations. It seems quality adult movies, even if succeed, are barely able to reach 100Mill mark (if that). I think it's because people are not really interested in good stories anymore.

BTW, since it was brought up earlier, Michael Clayton ABSOLUTELY deserved to be nominated for Best Picture. I was skeptical about it too before I saw it, but it truly was one of the best films of that year.
 
^Please tell me you did NOT just call Gladiator a "masterpiece" and/or "classic"? :ninja: That is one of the worst Best Picture winners ever. It's a fun movie, gorgeous to look at, beautiful score but it's not even close to being actually a good movie.

:rofl: haha i LOVE that movie :blush:
 
I think it's way too early to decide what the classic films from the 2000s will be in 20 or 50 years. Many of the films we view as classics nowadays weren't well liked or popular when they originally came out. For example, out of the 3 top comedic film stars of the 1920s: Harold Lloyd was the most popular, followed by Chaplin, and Buster Keaton fell far behind in popularity. However now I would say that Chaplin (of course) is deservedly well remembered and respected and Buster Keaton is right there behind him. His films were a lot more modern than Chaplin and Lloyd's ever were. Lloyd was EXTREMELY popular in the 1920s, but I don't think many people watch his stuff. So, who knows what will be remembered in 50 years from now, but I'm curious to find out.

I don't think that many of the Best Picture winers from the last decade are any worse than some of the very, very early pictures to win. Like who really watches movies like Cimmaron, Clavalcade or Broadway Melody? They won best picture yet they aren't really in the great film canon.
 
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Put another way: If you create a piece of art and the only people who like it are art critics, is it really good? If people can't relate to it, if it doesn't speak to them on any level, how much value does it have? I won't say it doesn't have any value, but should such a thing be winning Best Picture? I go back and forth on the answers to those questions, but I do think that truly great art, whatever the medium, tells a story that people want to hear even if they don't quite know it yet.

First, I have to say I loved reading your post :flower:
I can see where you'r going with that. And I can agree to a certain extent. There should be space for films that can relate to a bigger audience, but also don't lose quality. But like MyNameIs refered, most of the times, the higgest grossing films, are crap. So maybe the best pictures should be the ones that are critically aclaimed AND popular for the general public. The problem is they're almost inexistent, at this point. And although the industry may have some blame, our society as a whole and the tendecy to look for "easy entertainment" (for example, Jersey Shore) and to NOT think too much is also to blame.
 
http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/black-swan-king’s-speech-lead-bafta-longlist/

This is BAFTA'S longlist of nominations, that in a 2nd round will go shorter. I'm really excited about it! It's pretty awesome, w Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams both in it for Blue Valentine. And Andrew Garfield and Carey Mulligan for Never Let Me Go. Not all of them will actually get nominated, but I'm happy they got some recognition.
 
I don't understand Julianne and Annette's nomination on every awards at all.
 
Me neither. I watched the film. It's a good movie and the performances are nice. But I don't find them that amazing... I'm in the minority, though.
 
Most definitely! Especially with THAT kind of ending.
Hopefully Tilda get recognized on Oscars.
 
I noticed she was also on the longlist for BAFTA's nominations. There's still hope! :flower:
 

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