Amber Heard Files for Divorce from Johnny Depp

[LostInNJ]

It's crazy how everybody only believes Amber Heard is the victim just beause she is a woman. Men can also be victims of domestic violence and abuse and it is a lot more difficult for them to come forward and let others know what is happening because they are men and people always think they are stronger and more capable of abuse than women.
Amber has been accused of abuse by former female partners and none of Johnny Depp's former partner has ever done so.
I don't have much faith in human justice but I believe in divine intervention and one day she will get what she deserves.

The way I am reading a lot of articles, and IG comments (which is the LAST place I should prob judge a reaction from), people are more on his side.

As KingofVersailles said, I think they both come off as horrible people and horrible for each other. Mutually abusive.

 

[MulletProof]

^^ I for one don't believe she's a victim 'just because she's a woman' but I've seen this argument a lot in the online campaign he's been financing since the UK trial so.. not surprised there.

She has been in abusive relationships just like he has and probably grew up in a dysfunctional environment. If you know anything about domestic abuse and codependency, you'll see it takes a pattern (and no, not just from one party), to instigate it and also to tolerate it and at times, feed into it.

The man is a drug addict and an alcoholic, he has been involved in violent altercations throughout his career, left his wife with young children for a 'hot young actress' (and proceeded to call Vanessa a 'french c*nt who brainwashes the kids'), claims to recurrently go on sleepless nights of nonstop drinking and doing, as he said, every imaginable drug, destroying rooms and occasionally chopping his own finger off, all a part of his 'rockstar' complex that I guess some do find oh-so romantic and hot lol.. a 'soft man with demons from his childhood who gets so vulnerable at times but is really just a true Southern Gentleman'. All of his witnesses are people directly or indirectly employed by him.

Again, I'm not surprised the propaganda that caters to the internalized misogyny of women is working.. I guess we all think some men, no matter their level of intoxication, should be 'saved' and condemn women for their inability to act more like a caregiver and their subsequent failure to save them. Did she hit him back? or snap back? or had less than gentleness to offer for a man who says he sometimes lets his 'monster' out? then she better gets what she deserves.

The bottom line is that, they're both undereducated/challenged/abusive people who didn't know how to walk out of something toxic and in his particular case, who thought privilege in wealth and status could not possibly defeat him, but the trial is in the UK centered on one question: 'is he a wife beater?' and yup, the judge determined that he was. This one is even simpler: did she experience a marriage with domestic violence? and the answer is yes.

 

[KoV]

I've seen more and more about this case all over social media lately, and I am surprised (though I guess I shouldn't be?) how adoring of Johnny most people keeping up with this are. It feels like this whole case is less about Johnny actually scoring a legal victory and more about him speaking on it publicly without legal risk and winning the public back over to his side. Him losing in court may actually work in his favor, as it helps reinforce the injustice of it all, in his fans' eyes, and makes him (globally famous multi-multi-multi-millionaire with supportive family, friends, and fanbase) into an underdog of sorts. Seems to be working. He's just telling the better story, of the two. His abusive mother paints a tragic backstory, his exes and famous friends all with glowing praise, and then Amber, who isn't exactly a beacon of charisma and has a documented history of being the perpetrator of domestic violence, with her own family (I think?) on Johnny's side.... it ain't pretty. If Johnny wants revenge, he's getting it. I don't see how she couldn't win this case in court, but she's going to have millions of adoring Depp fans hating her more than ever and casual observers are going to be exposed to her dirty laundry as well, making her unbankable in Hollywood. The whole thing is a disgusting mess and I find them both repulsive.

 

[MulletProof]

^ her family is on her side.

I'm honestly in awe, not even being sarcastic here, by how he's managed to turn something so awful to his favor. The finger thing is absolutely horrific so no they're not 'equally' anything, he's alone in the 'nightmare of a husband' department (down to this second trial because like every abuser, he's obsessed and will not let her move on and enjoy life with her small kid). I don't know if you guys followed the case in the UK but the man turned up to their Australian rental in the after hours, high of course, and proceeded to scream like a freakin' parrot until the morning, begging her to get up and.. join the s*it show? breaking everything around him and when she still didn't join him or give him the attention he wanted, he then cut his finger off and wrote stuff about her in a mirror, with his blood (his staff picked up the finger and convinced him to go to a hospital to put it back on). Kudos to the PR strategist who relied on lots of online bots (initially all the Twitter accounts had like one tweet and were opened in the same month) reshaping the narrative (where he's the abused man 'in a cruel society that does not believe in abuse towards men' ) and who was brilliant enough to instead of denying domestic abuse (the mainstream route), appropriate it and claim it as the actual crime against him.

 

[KoV]

Oops, I should've looked into it more closely. I guess Amber's mother texted Johnny "I love you, son" and both her parents said Amber didn't want to file the restraining order, she was pressured by her lawyers to do it to avoid eviction (because Johnny was paying for her rent/hotel). So people are turning that into "even Amber's family is on his side!" I will say, the texts don't sound like they are coming from someone who believes Johnny has violently abused their daughter, but perhaps they were trying to be diplomatic and keep the peace for her sake? Who can say? It sounds like you're more familiar with the case than I am, but don't they have a couples therapist who says they abused each other? That they both instigated? Doesn't she legitimately have an arrest history for violently assaulting her former girlfriend? Depp is unusual and has substance abuse problems, I'm sure there's a million examples of erratic behavior that help paint a negative picture. But I think for most people this boils down to who was physically abusive of the other. And I haven't seen a single compelling argument for why I shouldn't believe they're both guilty, both toxic, both violent, both instigators. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If you've been arrested for domestic violence in the past, it's going to be hard to convince people you're not guilty of it when a future partner accuses you of the same.

 

[KoV]

Haven't watched it myself, but people are saying Amber is plagiarizing lines directly from The Talented Mr. Ripley and used her assistant's assault story as her own. Deeply disturbing if true. But there's so much info coming out every day and the whole thing is such a circus, unless you have the time and energy to watch everything for yourself it's hard to know what to believe.

 

[Drusilla_]

The alleged "violent" incident towards her previous partner that Amber was arrested for pre-Depp....well, the partner in question, Tasya van Ree, has gone on the record saying it wasn't actually violent, they were just having an argument and Amber grabbed her arm and was reported by a homophobic observer. There are no other incidents of violence by Amber towards other partners that I know of. Meanwhile, Depp has been destroying hotel rooms since the 80s or 90s, been violent to people before including his exes (not Vanessa but he was known to have smashed things around both Kate and Winona)....he's really leaning hard into this narrative of being a victim but frankly, given his own past I don't believe him.

 

[gunsnroses]

The alleged "violent" incident towards her previous partner that Amber was arrested for pre-Depp....well, the partner in question, Tasya van Ree, has gone on the record saying it wasn't actually violent, they were just having an argument and Amber grabbed her arm and was reported by a homophobic observer. There are no other incidents of violence by Amber towards other partners that I know of.

this has already been disproven. The “homophobic” cop who arrested her is a lesbian woman. there is so much disinformation going around about this case from both AH and JD fans. A lot of people are falling for it.

 

[KoV]

Also, trashing hotel rooms is obviously not good behavior, and blaming it on an armadillo is ridiculous, but he was with a partner (Kate Moss) in the room and she was not harmed and as far as I know has said Depp was not violent towards her. So to insinuate that Depp having to pay $10k in damages to a hotel after trashing the room is indicative that he was being physically abusive towards her and thus definitely repeated that behavior with different partner, decades later, is... a stretch. He may very well be domestic abuser, but the hotel room doesn't prove that at all. I've said several times I don't think either in this scenario are particularly worthy of defense. It seems most people just want to double down on what they already believe about the relationship. The "Amber did nothing, it was a homophobic cop!" camp and the "Amber's own parents are on Team Johnny!" camps are both pretty transparent at this point.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

Twitter has a lot of rumblings of people going "wait maybe I'm starting to see amber's side of this" heh maybe the pile on is coming to an end

 

[MulletProof]

^ yeah I love the sound of ‘camps’.. plural, tfs is literally the only place I’ve seen minimal support towards Amber (and Depp!).. the rest of the internet is all Johhny because the PR company he hired for the UK trial and which relied on Kremlin-sponsored bots, did a great job. No one even mentions the campaign he sponsored against Vanessa right after the divorce lol. All forgotten, you sexy, tormented pirate.

 

[Drusilla_]

There are bots and also genuinely deranged stans like the ones flooding Lily-Rose Depp's instagram with abuse for "not supporting" her father. And the pro-Depp videos are EVERYWHERE, I keep an insta account just for fashion stuff and was getting served those on my explore and for you pages too despite never having liked a single picture of him ever and not even using ig on the same device where I type this (or the email associated with any of tfs/my other social media, which are also on a different device). Realised it's probably because I'd hit 'like' on 90s images of Winona and Kate and that's the cue for the algorithm to start pushing Depp content at me - I imagine anyone who's ever viewed or liked an early 90s photograph is getting similar. It's quite frustrating.

I will be honest, I believed Amber in 2016 when she first filed for divorce, then later fell for the counter-narrative that she was abusive to him/they were just "two people who were bad for each other", but from what I can see of the latest trial, it seems to bear out the eventual conclusion of the UK lawsuit ie she did experience violence in the marriage and it was at his hands ie he was a "wife beater".

Mainly it disgusts me that this is being treated as entertainment - the popcorn emojis? wtf. But that's the result of the demand to have it televised, something serious and sad is being turned into memes and jokes because we're now in an age when no one seems to understand these are real people. Like that N'Sync guy posting a Tiktok video mocking Amber's testimony....man is 40something, that's decades more than old enough to know better.

 

[tigerrouge]

But that's the result of the demand to have it televised, something serious and sad is being turned into memes and jokes because we're now in an age when no one seems to understand these are real people. Like that N'Sync guy posting a Tiktok video mocking Amber's testimony....man is 40something, that's decades more than old enough to know better.

I've said many times before, the aim of social media is to reduce everyone down to thinking and reacting on an adolescent level - and also to make you feel that if you're not taking part and joining in, then you're somehow missing out on... life.

 

[upNorth]

I've said many times before, the aim of social media is to reduce everyone down to thinking and reacting on an adolescent level - and also to make you feel that if you're not taking part and joining in, then you're somehow missing out on... life.

Completely agree with you, I've just recently realised how badly Twitter has affected my reasoning and argumentation skills. I'm obviously at a stage of being aware of this, being selective of the content I have on my feed and generally cutting back on it, but I'm imagining majority have zero self-awareness as to how that app and they way people talk there can affect you as a person. It's rather scary to think about.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

Completely agree with you, I've just recently realised how badly Twitter has affected my reasoning and argumentation skills. I'm obviously at a stage of being aware of this, being selective of the content I have on my feed and generally cutting back on it, but I'm imagining majority have zero self-awareness as to how that app and they way people talk there can affect you as a person. It's rather scary to think about.

dream scenario Elon musk buys it and shuts it off

 

[Drusilla_]

dream scenario Elon musk buys it and shuts it off

sadly that wouldn't take care of the problem of tiktok and instagram, which is where younger people mainly go (especially the former). Twitter is full of people yelling in text, ig and tiktok are full of people yelling in audio and more text but ultimately the experience of all three of them after a certain time makes me feel like I'm being .

 

[MulletProof]

I will be honest, I believed Amber in 2016 when she first filed for divorce, then later fell for the counter-narrative that she was abusive to him/they were just "two people who were bad for each other", but from what I can see of the latest trial, it seems to bear out the eventual conclusion of the UK lawsuit ie she did experience violence in the marriage and it was at his hands ie he was a "wife beater".

It was the opposite for me, I couldn’t see her as anything more than an entitled, obnoxious, forever 21 ‘beauty’ social climber. I think she came off to me that way because I liked Vanessa for years and when Johnny pretty much cheated on her in public, I guess I unconsciously redirected all my judgment towards Amber (cause women’s sexism is real).

Even in the first pages of this thread I was still like ‘of course she would ask for money LOL’.. but once I started seeing the TMZ headlines unfold in real time and seeing how it was all anti-Amber publicity from left and right.. as if anyone even cared (I see now that it was more a campaign of turning everyone’s indifference into sympathy towards the former ‘heartthrob’ who only wanted to love and was instead outsmarted, outpowered, abused and induced to addictions by a terrible woman) when I thought ‘wait a minute… is all of this publicity aiming to brainwash me..?’ lol. Once you’ve followed the presidential campaigns of different countries with enough cynicism, you know what a campaign to decimate moral character looks like.. it doesn’t work loudly, you just have to be ‘organic’ and persistent about it, and Johnny clearly has all the time and money to get away with it.. and people, just like they will dramatically change their votes last minute in election year, will absolutely nod and comply when it comes to opinion on a celebrity, you just have to push the idea you choose for them repeatedly and in their favorite channel/social media so there’s no escape and they learn how to associate it with existing beliefs they already have and have shown enough interest to express via liked/time spent on screen.

 

[Drusilla_]

It was the opposite for me, I couldn’t see her as anything more than an entitled, obnoxious, forever 21 ‘beauty’ social climber. I think she came off to me that way because I liked Vanessa for years and when Johnny pretty much cheated on her in public, I guess I unconsciously redirected all my judgment towards Amber (cause women’s sexism is real).

I admit that was how I saw her when their relationship was first revealed too - Johnny as the midlife crisis cliche leaving his partner of 15 years and mother of his children for someone half his age like so many men do, her as the cliche 20something blond actress with questionable talent gaining fame by taking up with a much older and more famous man. It didn't help I was a fan of Vanessa and judged Amber in comparison to Depp's previous partners - Vanessa of course, but also Winona and Kate before her since I'm a fan of them too, and also judged Depp for dating her. What seemed like some weird rich-people antics at the time (the whole fiasco with their dogs in Australia) now looks very different.

It wasn't till she filed for divorce that I realised things were bad in their marriage, and as I admitted, even after that I was swayed by the "they were bad for each other and it was mutual" narrative. Also I wasn't paying much attention to the UK defamation trial, but reconsidered my opinion after he lost that and the court held that it wasn't defamation to call him a wife beater ie there was truth in that claim. It takes self-awareness to admit that we're fallible, have our own prejudices and can end up believing things that later turn out false. This isn't the only thing I've had to reconsider my previous views on lately, but the publicity/propaganda campaign looks plain as day now given the absolute flooding of social media. And it's also working in his favour exactly as intended.

 

[Sheeam]

At this point I wouldn't trust Amber if she said Australians like beer.