Amber Heard Files for Divorce from Johnny Depp

Oh right, that makes sense. Sorry that I misunderstood, and I appreciate you clarifying as well! :flower: I definitely hear you in respect of how sensationalised it has become... The Heather Mills case I think is definitely up there as well.

Yeah, no worries. :lol:
I'm just a bit concerned that with all the daily 'matter of fact' reporting, all the 'did you know' gossipy lines, people will become desensitised to what this case ultimately boils down to, which is not really libel (well, legally it's libel), but an egomaniac who got away with abuse trying and is now travelling the globe to shut everyone else up from speaking on it.
 
The tabloid culture in the UK is truly awful. That said, I do have faith in the English legal system itself. The case is before a very well-respected and experienced judge. He will making the decision based on the evidence he hears and sees. He should be insulated from the gossip fodder. Also, there's no jury involved in this case. Juries are famously unpredictable... In terms of the process itself, I think it should be a fair one. I think it will be a long before the English court disintegrates into a made-for-TV institution. :flower:
What do you see happening here?

I’m admittedly unfamiliar with the English court system but it seems that, understandably, there’s a strong bias against anything associated with these tabloids.. even The Guardian has been so one-sided in covering the case, it’s really ‘poor innocent Johnny vs the worst tabloid in the world’.. which is half true, but they’re battling the wife-beater allegation, not the integrity of the newspaper.
 
I've just posted about Bauer/Mercury shutting down Australian magazines, and I'm reminded by Tom Cruise in a similar situation as Johnny. Years ago, he sued Bauer for writing about his breakup with Katie and about Suri, in their case, it was likely 99% false. But Tom had the common sense to back out of that lawsuit because Katie would have been called as a witness to testify, and there would have been a probe into his personal life. In the end, Bauer coughed up a faint retraction, both parties drew a line across it all, and Tom had to pay even had to pay his own layer's fees.

He probably foresaw that it would harm him more in the long run, win or lose.
 
Not sure what to think about this case (not that I spend much time thinking about it!). I mean of course they are both awful people and there was no doubt a level of abuse, but it seems they are both lying about a lot. And what incentive does Winona have to stick up for him? Either way, interesting he has let this case go so far for just a libel claim that no one in the world really cares about either way.
 
The misogyny is out of control in the press. I expect it from the usual suspects, but when a broadcast like the BBC, after a day full of horrific allegations against Depp, decides that the header will be that there are “claims” Heard faked some video or Amber “attacked her sister” makes me loose faith in humanity. I think people need to be reminded that this trial is to ascertain if Depp is a “wife beater” , not if Amber is also an abuser. Those things don’t magically cancel each other, he’s the one that feels libelled and brought the suit, his whole case consists in portraying her as horrible person, when what he should be doing is proving to the courts is not a perpetrator of domestic violence. That’s the only reason everyone is in court.
Honestly at this point I simply hope the justice system is not swayed by all this noise, and sticks to the fundamentals, is there anyone out there that still believes that The Sun had no basis to call him a “wife beater”?
 
The misogyny is out of control in the press. I expect it from the usual suspects, but when a broadcast like the BBC, after a day full of horrific allegations against Depp, decides that the header will be that there are “claims” Heard faked some video or Amber “attacked her sister” makes me loose faith in humanity. I think people need to be reminded that this trial is to ascertain if Depp is a “wife beater” , not if Amber is also an abuser. Those things don’t magically cancel each other, he’s the one that feels libelled and brought the suit, his whole case consists in portraying her as horrible person, when what he should be doing is proving to the courts is not a perpetrator of domestic violence. That’s the only reason everyone is in court.
Honestly at this point I simply hope the justice system is not swayed by all this noise, and sticks to the fundamentals, is there anyone out there that still believes that The Sun had no basis to call him a “wife beater”?

But you know what made me lose faith in humanity? The crowds camped out at the High Court every day, jeering every time Johnny steps out with flowers and gifts in hand. As though it's a hero's welcome!!?!? My God.
The pandemic notwithstanding, I think it's perfectly outrageous for people to publicly support him like this. Think of the subtext, you're basically also in favour of domestic abuse. There are just no two ways about it.

And I'm glad you've picked up on this! That the case is systematically evolving from Depp vs The Sun to Depp vs Amber. I've noticed the shift immediately after Amber's first testimony. And you can tell he's very much aware of it and enjoying every minute. His demeanour alone over the past few days has become very emboldened!
 
The misogyny is out of control in the press. I expect it from the usual suspects, but when a broadcast like the BBC, after a day full of horrific allegations against Depp, decides that the header will be that there are “claims” Heard faked some video or Amber “attacked her sister” makes me loose faith in humanity. I think people need to be reminded that this trial is to ascertain if Depp is a “wife beater” , not if Amber is also an abuser. Those things don’t magically cancel each other, he’s the one that feels libelled and brought the suit, his whole case consists in portraying her as horrible person, when what he should be doing is proving to the courts is not a perpetrator of domestic violence. That’s the only reason everyone is in court.
Honestly at this point I simply hope the justice system is not swayed by all this noise, and sticks to the fundamentals, is there anyone out there that still believes that The Sun had no basis to call him a “wife beater”?
I agree with everything so much but especially with the highlighted part. Everywhere online, it's unanimously 'finally the truth is being revealed, and she IS the real abuser'.. I feel like I'm looking at something else or like maybe one of the flaws of all gender conversations between 2017 to 2020 was overlooking the dynamics of domestic violence, or expecting victims to comply with this notion that they were from day one at a disadvantage, suffering, tormented, silenced, etc., which isn't always true. So Amber's 'I hit you, so what? at least I take responsibility, grow the f*ck up' (something along the lines) completely matches the dynamics of the abuse she experienced from the beginning and the multiple efforts any person is likely to take in the course of an abusive relationship (shock, denial, snapping back, apologizing just to appease, conforming, etc). One of my relatives worked with victims of domestic violence and I remember her saying that women will not admit for years in some cases that they experience it (especially when it's verbal and not physical), but even when they finally talk about it, it takes about 5-6 instances of hearing 'you're going through domestic violence' for them to actually believe and act on it and the first actions tend to be about collecting evidence (what's interpreted here as 'setting him up because she wanted his fame and money' lol).

I don't know.. scrutinizing her like 'she wasn't a saint so.. is she the devil?' is just so so.. concerning about where we really are with misogyny and violence in our societies. I think this circus/case is revealing more uncomfortable truths than criminal trials like Harvey Weinstein's.

That being said, I saw something on The Guardian today that wasn't so one-sided for a change and that mentioned the bots I talked about.. which is crazy, I was mildly joking when I said that!
 
Trolls, tweets and famous friends: the vicious PR war between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard
Vanessa Thorpe
Sun 26 Jul 2020


By now those who actually wished to follow the libel war being waged by Johnny Depp against the Sun newspaper will know exactly who is said to have thrown what and who claims they didn’t do the appalling things others said they did. In truth, even readers who did not want to follow the ghastly twists and turns of the row between Depp and his former wife, Amber Heard, will also know more than they ever thought they would about an undisputedly miserable round of drug-taking, alcohol, rampant paranoia and wanton expenditure that took place five years ago.

Evidence in the four-week trial at the Royal Courts of Justice in The Strand has now all been laid before the judge. The Pirates of the Caribbean superstar, Depp, 57, has called witnesses in support of his claim against the publishers, News Group Newspapers, and the paper’s executive editor, Dan Wootton, over an article from April 2018 which called him a “wife beater” and referred to “overwhelming evidence” that he carried out violent attacks.

Heard, the 34-year-old star of Aquaman and the newspaper’s key witness, has submitted details of the 14 occasions during their relationship when she claims Depp assaulted her, each of which Depp denies. All that remains is for the barristers to make their final arguments tomorrow and Tuesday.

But what has been hidden while sensational accusations were going on inside the High Court is the other battle, fought outside: a conflict that has weaponised social media and the comment pages of newspapers, and deployed thousands of genuine fans around the world, as well as what Heard’s side now allege was a phalanx of cyberbots, edited video clips and dubious Twitter accounts. It has the hallmarks of a public relations surge; if it is, then it may be the biggest attempt yet to shore up a high profile reputation. This weekend a report by Bot Sentinel, a group that uses artificial intelligence to detect and track troll bots and allegedly untrustworthy Twitter accounts, has been made public that exposes the use of an autonomous bot which posted the phrase “Fire her from all her rolls[sic] blacklist this crazy liar”, while another read “I am starting a petition. To get Amber Heard blacklisted from Hollywood!”

It is possible that this meta-skirmish will have more impact than the outcome of the legal case. It could certainly change attitudes to taking civil action over domestic abuse claims, and it has already seriously blurred the boundaries between cross-examined evidence and the crueller court of popular opinion.

Lawyer Mark Stephens is one of those disinterested commentators who received many angry messages on Twitter after speaking to the media earlier this month about the sordid nature of the case.

“I’ve seen some high-profile cases, but I have never seen a response like this,” said Stephens, a media specialist at London law firm Howard Kennedy. “Whatever is proved in court, the images of Heard’s bruises are out there again, and there are so many vested interests, people that have a dog in the fight, on Depp’s side, that the campaigning online has felt one-sided.”

Labour MP Jess Phillips also received online abuse after she argued last weekend that it should not be necessary to prove you are of good character to be seen as the victim of domestic violence. Stephens was immediately suspicious about the social media accounts that were suddenly trolling him. “We have seen bots go to war before, and you learn to have doubts when you see that comments supporting Depp are popping up in real time, just as evidence is being produced in court,” said Stephens. “I have seen campaigns like it on a smaller scale between drug companies, and you can spot them because the same slightly inappropriate or clumsy language is used.”

Stephens examined many of the offending tweets and found some were generated by new accounts, he claims, while others had been set up to comment on this single issue in February or March. A third set of accounts had been dormant for a long period and had previously only commented on one other, unrelated issue.

“It does make you wonder,” said Stephens, who reported his findings to Twitter. “I would say that of about 100 accounts I alerted them to, 50 or 60 are now no longer there.”

The wider public defence of Depp is being conducted by his American lawyer Adam Waldman. His own Twitter account repeatedly denounced Heard’s witnesses with the words “In Memoriam”, a sinister phrase brought to the judge’s attention last week. Waldman has criticised Heard’s legal team for employing a PR company, Powerscourt, to handle her media.

And while Heard has not been pictured with a succession of floral bouquets on the steps of the court, her publicity has also been carefully thought through. Powerscourt have adopted a deliberately collaborative and low-key approach to winning hearts and minds.

Both sides have claimed a stellar line-up of celebrity supporters, apart from those such as Winona Ryder, Vanessa Paradis, Kate Moss, Elon Musk, James Franco and Paul Bettany, who have all been drawn into the legal evidence. Rock stars including Jeff Beck and Patti Smith are said to have rallied around Depp, while a group of leading British feminists including Baroness Helena Kennedy and the writer Kathy Lette have been associated with Heard’s cause. A suggestion that Cate Blanchett and Kylie Minogue also waded in by zooming into a London-based virtual morale-boosting event are reportedly false.

Heard needs vindication when the judge eventually comes to his conclusion, since she is set to face a similar ordeal in America, where Depp is suing The Washington Post over an article from December 2018 in which, without actually naming her ex-husband, she referred to herself as a survivor of domestic abuse. Depp is claiming damages of $50m.

The effort put in by Waldman and his team in Britain may therefore be a mere dress rehearsal.

For specialist Sebastian Burrows of Stowe Family Law this is a game with no winners. The impact of such a nasty dispute will linger, whatever the verdict, he argues.

“A decision is made on the basis of how two people appear in court, but regardless of what is ruled, what comes out can affect future rulings about character or childcare,” he said. “You also often find that in a domestic dispute the judge will eventually say there is fault on both sides, so everyone is damaged. This is why it can be a tactic for lawyers to argue that the very things their client is accused of are actually things they have been doing. A judge has to rely on having a good nose for the truth.”

The potentially arbitrary nature of the outcome in court makes the PR struggle to preserve public loyalty all the more crucial.

“In a civil case it all rests on the balance of probabilities, and it’s swayed to one side or the other when probability reaches 51%. Whatever the judge rules becomes fact,” said Burrows. “It sticks. And because judges want to avoid appeal, they take it seriously and try to get it right on the evidence in court.”

Burrows argues that while judges are trained not to be swayed by coverage, for the antagonists public perception can be the most important factor. Especially when a continued career in entertainment rests on that audience.

Stephens’s view, the one that prompted all the trolling, is that Depp’s claim is misguided. “Unless he has total victory on all counts, this means a loss or failure for him overall,” he said this weekend.

So who will win? Well, the usual answer is the lawyers themselves. Encouraging stars to take up arms and prove themselves right is costly and high risk, no matter how important the argument. If Heard’s evidence is disregarded by the judge, she will at least keep the good opinion of those who see her as a crusading survivor, prepared to look back repeatedly at an unlovely past. If Depp is not utterly exonerated, his Hollywood image as a rakish funster will be hard to maintain.

guardian.co.uk
 
"Johnny Depp loses libel case against Britain's Sun newspaper
November 2, 2020

London (CNN Business) Johnny Depp has lost his highly publicized libel case against the publisher of Britain's The Sun newspaper, whose claim that he was an abusive husband sparked a courtroom showdown between the Hollywood star and his ex-wife Amber Heard earlier this year.

Depp sued News Group Newspapers and Dan Wootton — The Sun's executive editor — over an article that claimed the "Pirates Of The Caribbean" star was violent toward Heard while they were together.

But the UK's High Court ruled in the publisher's favor on Monday."
-- read more on cnn.com
 
just saw that! amazing! after following celebrity cases in American courts, I was so sure they'd rule in favor of Depp since he's the more 'powerful' one. I loved the email/text message quoted by the judge.. that's exactly what I thought was his real self and real intentions behind all of this circus.

Hope his career crumbles after this.. (but it probably won't).
 
SO relieved to hear that he lost the libel case and all this did was pretty much confirm and expose his abusive ways even more to anyone with a brain that has been following actual court docs and evidence (although I'm sure his stans are already coming up with 24939 delusional excuses as to why Amber is the "real abuser!!!11")
 
I stopped following the case around the time news about Heard being the real abuser got pretty ubiquitous. At first I thought it was spewed by some fake news or hoax outlets but some of the trusted outlets also reported that Heard was the one who committed the abuse. I found the whole thing incredibly fishy. So glad the truth seems to be on the horizon.
 
Delighted about this. A clear message to “wife beaters” that is not be denigrating your victim that you will get away with abuse.
Regardless i do not understand why he decided to die on this hill or at least why he was not advised to let it go, The Sun had to prove he was a “wife beater” and for someone that took them to court for libel he did not bother to cast doubt on the accusations . He simply used the court as a platform to destroy Heard’s reputation. It may work with his stans on social media, but unless we were faced with a massive miscarriage of justice, it was clear to anyone with a passing interest in the justice system that their case at it’s core was hollow. It seems he was simply relying on prejudice and misogyny to win the day, a risky strategy in this day and age.
 
Despicable! I can't believe this campaign is spearheaded by a woman.

Petition To Axe Amber Heard From ‘Aquaman 2’ Receives Upwards 1.5M
Signatures Following Johnny Depp’s ‘Fantastic Beasts’ Departure


November 28, 2020 8:37pm

An online petition urging studio personnel to axe Amber Heard from the upcoming Aquaman sequel has received more than 1.5 million signatures.

Created by Jeanne Larson, the petition crossed the signature milestone after Deadline reported that Mads Mikkelsen will replace Johnny Depp in the latest Fantastic Beasts film and is addressed to executives at both DC Entertainment and Warner Bros. To date the petition has received a total of 1,579,927 signatures, more than half of its targeted 3,000,000 pledges.

In the description, Larson justifies petitioners’ calls to Heard from the upcoming DC movie, where she’s set to continue starring as Mera, with claims about Depp and the actress’ relationship. From claiming Heard is a “known and proven domestic abuser” to accusing the actress of lying, Larson passionately supports the Pirates of the Caribbean star while seeking to persuade signers with claims from the months-long trial.

Early in November,Justice Andrew Nicol decreed on November 2 that the claim in an article by the Rupert Murdoch-owned The Sun about his relationship with Amber Heard that Depp was a “wife beater” was “substantially true.”

“Men are victims of domestic abuse, just like women. This must be recognized, and action must be taken to prevent a known abuser from being celebrated within the entertainment industry,” Larson writes in the description. “Do the right thing. Remove Amber Heard from Aquaman 2.

Aquaman 2 is set for a 2022 release, with James Wan placed to direct and Patrick Wilson and Jason Momoa to reprise their roles from the previous installment.

Deadline
 
^ he’s such a crazy ex with tons of billions at his disposal to keep suing her and abusing her publicly. I mean, the money this man is investing in hiring these firms that spread s*it online with bots.. just insane. He’s insane. I can’t believe you have some drug addict piece of s*it that mutilates his own body on a tantrum and some non-bot people are still buying that she’s the abuser just because he was entertaining enough as a pirate. :wacko:
 
Haven’t followed this too closely but it seems evident to me they’re mutually abusive pieces of sh!t and if I never see either of them in a film again I wouldn’t be upset.
 
It's crazy how everybody only believes Amber Heard is the victim just beause she is a woman. Men can also be victims of domestic violence and abuse and it is a lot more difficult for them to come forward and let others know what is happening because they are men and people always think they are stronger and more capable of abuse than women.
Amber has been accused of abuse by former female partners and none of Johnny Depp's former partner has ever done so.
I don't have much faith in human justice but I believe in divine intervention and one day she will get what she deserves.
 

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