Chris Brown arrested and sentenced for domestic violence

[Mchunu]

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This sounds like the beginning of a cycle. Now, he's going to have to deal with people asking him about raging maniacally after discussing his violent outburst against his exgirlfriend on Good Morning America.

When Naomi Campbell was interviewed for allegedly accepting a blood diamond, she also allegedly 'knocked over' the camera- but anyone who's seen the video knows the camera may have fallen over for a number of reasons. What I'm saying is that because of these two violent incidents he's always going to be under close scrutiny. Even if he's acting out of self defense or if he's really innocent people are going to blame Chris Brown because the name has become synonymous with fury. He's digging his public image in a hole. He's certainly not any closer to being relieved of any taint his name acquired since the Rihanna incident.

 

[Empress Merel]

I like Chris Brown. He's young. Very young. And he's constantly in the public eye.
When he makes a mistake, the whole world finds out about it. And when he apologizes for it, people still won't let him move on. I would be angry too.
The first thing Robin Roberts did in the interview was bring up the Rihanna incident.
That pretty much set the tone and Chris is there trying to promote an album and start over. Obviously she's going to ask about it, but she should have asked him once and been done with it instead of going on and on and on about it. I understand why he's upset.

Chris obviously has a lot of faults...one of the main ones being arrogance.
However, I don't think he did anything too terrible. He threw a temper tantrum.
I'm sure he's not the first celeb to do it...nor will he be the last.

His new album is great BTW.

Don't make excuses for this #sshole. Beating someone up is inexcusable. And hey, he was the one with the loose hands so he'll have to deal with the questions. That's karma for you, boohoo. He brought it upon himself, deal with it.

And sure, he's allowed to be upset. But then he smashes a freakin' window. Next time he complains about people not letting him move on he should be a wee bit nicer and I don't know? Stop hitting and smashing things?

People like him just need to piss off and people should not make excuses for an abusive, violent and dominant douchebag.

 

[cheepmunk]

Look, people make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes are horrible. And sometimes the people that made those horrible mistakes manage to turn their lives around and become better people. In that case, I think it's ridiculous to hold their mistake against them.

However, Chris Brown is clearly not one of those people. That turnaround, the realization that you are not a good human being and the desire to become a better one, cannot happen without recognition of the fact that you did something wrong and genuine remorse at having done it. Chris Brown has shown neither of those things. And if you genuinely care about someone and want them to be the best they can be... if that someone is hurting others and breaking the law and generally behaving in a way that is detrimental to themselves and society, the best thing you can do for that person is to stop making excuses for them and let them face the consequences of their actions. Because that person may or may change, may or may not become a better human being... but if some sort of personal growth is going to happen, it will require hitting rock bottom or getting a kick in the head.

As hard as it might be to watch someone you care about go through that, you'll stand back and do it if you really care about them. It seems like all these people making excuses for Chris Brown are more interested in defending abuse and abusers than in Chris Brown's welfare. If they really cared about him, they'd start holding him accountable for his actions.

 

[OhSoLively]

^ THIS! That's what I think has failed to happen within these 2yrs since te assault. I don't think he has had that self realisation where he himself has concluded that he has issues. Those anger management courses he went to - were because of a court order rather than a personal decision. I personally think he should have continued them.

From his tweets after the assault until now - they have always been about how people are black listing him, and about how his career has been affected. And to to this day it's still about how everyone is against him.

The people around him don't seem to be helping him but are rather enabling his behaviour. What he needs is a real man to help him. I am sure his mother is trying but, it's rimes like these when a father/figure is needed to step up and take control.
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[fashionista-ta]

^ Women are no slouches at delivering wakeup calls ... but like cheepmunk said, he hasn't hit bottom yet, and he doesn't appear ready to hear the message.

 

[sobriquet87]

I'm not making excuses for him. What he did was wrong and inexcusable. It was terrible and sick.
No one should abuse another person regardless of the situation.
I think it's wrong for a man to hit a woman and vice versa. Period.

But I believe everyone deserves a second chance.
He has apologized on numerous occasions and I do agree, he could have done a better job of showing it in the GMA interview.
He does kind of brush it off and that's very disturbing.

However, it happened 2 years ago and Rihanna's moved on. I think it's fair that people allow him to do the same.

This is clearly a sensitive subject, but I just don't think it's right to just label someone a bad person for one mistake that they made...even if that mistake was domestic violence.

And as Chris pointed out, people sure don't seem to have much of a problem celebs like Charlie Sheen and numerous other celebrities who have also made huge, idiotic mistakes.

 

[shoesexy]

... but like cheepmunk said, he hasn't hit bottom yet...

It's not "bottom" he's going to hit ..... it's another woman.

And another.

And another.

And another.

 

[bliss_]

I like Chris Brown. He's young. Very young.

I am younger than him, I don't act in any way like him. Don't blame age, it is his sense of entitlement and arrogant nature that should be blamed rather than a quick dismissal on age.
Being young doesn't make you physically beat your girlfriend or boyfriend and talk about such incidents later with a complete lack of remorse.

 

[*Hypnotic*]

WFT? Why do people go on defending this guy? Specially women? I swear that's why this vicious cycle just keeps going in so many relationships and families. I have a girlfriend that constantly defended her abusing ex-bf and that's why he kept hurting her. She eventually left him, sought help and now is doing better. As for the ex-bf, he hasn't done sh*t and is doing the same sh*t to others! I truly believe the abuser needs help just as much as the victims. Chris seems to still have issues with being violent...he really needs to get help or he'll go at it again and the next time may not be a window but instead another...woman!

 

[OhSoLively]

What he needs to realize is that he's going to get asked about it. To this day Rihanna is asked about it - mainly in mag interviews. Do you think she wants to talk about it? Yet Chris Browns fans always attack her and say that she was the one that brought it up and she's just using it as publicity. 10yrs down the line both Chris & Rihanna are still going to be asked about it. The only difference is because Rihanna was the VICTIM she is given a bit more leeway - as it should be. Victims of domestic abuse are usually given annonantmity in reports etc etc. Rihanna didn't have that. Instead she's got pic of her nearly beaten to a pulp in cyber space forever.

I hope someone steps in before he actually hits rock bottom. Because the way things are going his "bottom" may be beyond what he did 2yrs ago. Instead of trying to release albums, he should have actually taken a break since the assault - to work on himself. Yet he carried on like it was just a little slap he gave her.

Sadly it doesn't look like he's going to get the message anytime soon cos his new album is on course to sell more than Jennifer Hudsons this week -(& more tha Loud by Rihanna's in it 1st week). He's only going to carry on with his arrogant & self righteous behsviour.
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[cheepmunk]

Honestly, if he does do something even worse, he'll probably get away with that, too. I really hope he won't, I hope that he will get sent to prison, but I have no faith that it will happen. Look at how many abusive assholes there are in Hollywood and the music business just walking around free. Robert Blake killed his wife and got away with it.

He will forever be surrounded by enablers. It's the nature of celebrity. Even if his friends/family were to ever say, "You did it, now deal with the consequences," he'd still have the support of fans (and a culture that shrugs its shoulders and says, "Eh, domestic abuse, whatever,") who think it's not that big a deal that he beat his girlfriend. And as long as he has money, he can buy new friends and lawyers that reinforce his behavior and tell him what he wants to hear.

Ideally, his bottom would have been some sort of serious punishment after he beat his girlfriend to a pulp instead of just a slap on the wrist. The forced anger management classes were a joke. Not that I think he doesn't need them, because he clearly does, but you can't make someone accept help like that if they don't want it.

Every time I think about this it squicks me out. I can't believe he's not even sorry, like he still thinks she deserved it or something. Ugh.

 

[Empress Merel]

I'm not making excuses for him. What he did was wrong and inexcusable. It was terrible and sick.
No one should abuse another person regardless of the situation.
I think it's wrong for a man to hit a woman and vice versa. Period.

But I believe everyone deserves a second chance.
He has apologized on numerous occasions and I do agree, he could have done a better job of showing it in the GMA interview.
He does kind of brush it off and that's very disturbing.

However, it happened 2 years ago and Rihanna's moved on. I think it's fair that people allow him to do the same.

This is clearly a sensitive subject, but I just don't think it's right to just label someone a bad person for one mistake that they made...even if that mistake was domestic violence.

And as Chris pointed out, people sure don't seem to have much of a problem celebs like Charlie Sheen and numerous other celebrities who have also made huge, idiotic mistakes.

You made excuses for him the moment you said he was very young and within the public-eye.

If he was just a regular guy, people would be spitting him out and that's what disturbing to me.
And clearly he hasn't moved on from his anger issues after he started ripping his shirt and slamming a window. Douchebag remains a douchebag.

 

[sobriquet87]

When I said he was young, I wasn't using that as an excuse.
What I meant was that he's young and therefore it would be wrong to just label him as a screw up for life and not give him the chance to rectify those mistakes.

His age does not excuse what he did in any way even 5 year olds know it's wrong to violently attack someone.

But I don't think he's gotten away with anything. He got probation and community service.
I've known people personally whose spouses hit them and the law enforcement does nothing, but throw them in jail for one night.

And I already know this is going to annoy people...but we never heard the whole story about why this happened.
This seemingly perfect, young couple was fine one second and then all of sudden something like this happens.
Plus, Chris was pretty much MIA after this event, so for all we know she could have beat him up too. Rihanna strikes me as the type who fights back.
They could have been physically fighting each other. Does that make it right? No.
But I think that's one of the reasons his punishment wasn't so severe, I think the judge heard the "whole" story and if I'm not mistaken...
they were both ordered to stay away from each other.
The restraining order just wasn't to keep him from her, but also to keep her from him.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ I don't believe you have that correct. What happened recently was that the restraining order against him was modified so that it would be easier for them to attend the same industry events. There was no discussion of a restraining order against her. And ... I bet that modification wouldn't happen now.

I see that you like to stir the pot ... no point in responding to the viewpoint of someone who clearly doesn't get it when it comes to domestic violence.

 

[Caroliiine]

When I said he was young, I wasn't using that as an excuse.
What I meant was that he's young and therefore it would be wrong to just label him as a screw up for life and not give him the chance to rectify those mistakes.

His age does not excuse what he did in any way even 5 year olds know it's wrong to violently attack someone.

But I don't think he's gotten away with anything. He got probation and community service.
I've known people personally whose spouses hit them and the law enforcement does nothing, but throw them in jail for one night.

And I already know this is going to annoy people...but we never heard the whole story about why this happened.
This seemingly perfect, young couple was fine one second and then all of sudden something like this happens.
Plus, Chris was pretty much MIA after this event, so for all we know she could have beat him up too. Rihanna strikes me as the type who fights back.
They could have been physically fighting each other. Does that make it right? No.
But I think that's one of the reasons his punishment wasn't so severe, I think the judge heard the "whole" story and if I'm not mistaken...
they were both ordered to stay away from each other.
The restraining order just wasn't to keep him from her, but also to keep her from him.

You are mistaken.

The restraining order states that he can't go within 100 yards of Rihanna for five years, which was later reduced after he had spent a year in domestic violence therapy and anger management classes.

Rihanna has no such order against her.

 

[WerbowyStegner]

Wow he spent a year in domestic violence therapy and anger management classes yet he's still like this......

 

[mint condish]

.but we never heard the whole story about why this happened.

Once upon a time, a violent *sshole beat in a young woman's face in, and everyone in the world saw the pictures which show irrefutable evidence of the incident. The end. Now you know the whole story. There's absolutely nothing else that we need to know. Because no matter what Rihanna did, nothing justifies what CB did to her.

 

[cheepmunk]

When I said he was young, I wasn't using that as an excuse.
What I meant was that he's young and therefore it would be wrong to just label him as a screw up for life and not give him the chance to rectify those mistakes.

His age does not excuse what he did in any way even 5 year olds know it's wrong to violently attack someone.

No one has labeled him a screw up for the rest of his life. They have, however, labeled him a Very Bad Person for the present because he is a man (not a little boy, a man) who beat his girlfriend and shows not one ounce of recognition that beating people is not a proper reaction to... anything, really.

If he were to one day wake up and apologize (for real this time) and maybe donate some money to a shelter and take even small steps to show that he is sorry, instead of constantly whining about how oppressed he is and how it's his girlfriend's fault that she walked into his fists, then people might believe that he is a different person. Right now, he's just the same douchebag that beat his partner that he was two years ago, but with some probation under his belt.

But I don't think he's gotten away with anything. He got probation and community service.

Just to be clear... he beat his girlfriend. He bit her and used his fists to pound her face in... and you think he didn't get away with it because he got probation? Okay then.

 

[Echoes]

You are mistaken.

The restraining order states that he can't go within 100 yards of Rihanna for five years, which was later reduced after he had spent a year in domestic violence therapy and anger management classes.

Rihanna has no such order against her.

Depends on the nature of the order. Domestic Violence Orders and/or Emergency Protection Orders generally enjoin both parties from contacting each other with equal consequences for violations. This varies by state of course.

 

[OhSoLively]

And I already know this is going to annoy people...but we never heard the whole story about why this happened.
This seemingly perfect, young couple was fine one second and then all of sudden something like this happens.
Plus, Chris was pretty much MIA after this event, so for all we know she could have beat him up too. Rihanna strikes me as the type who fights back.
They could have been physically fighting each other. Does that make it right? No.
But I think that's one of the reasons his punishment wasn't so severe, I think the judge heard the "whole" story and if I'm not mistaken...
they were both ordered to stay away from each other.
The restraining order just wasn't to keep him from her, but also to keep her from him.

These are the same excuses his fans use very single time. She must have done something to provoke him etc etc. Like that makes it any better. To "fight back", don't you have to be hit in the 1st place?! While I understand what you are trying to say, you must not forget that he is physically stronger than her. This wasn't just a couple of slaps - he actually beat her, bit her and threatened to kill her. And didn't he leave her at the scene of the crime - he just ran away!! His sentence was lenient because 1. he pleaded guilty so that he cod avoid jail. & 2. He is a celebrity.

I think the problem everyone has is that he doesn't seem to have shown any REAL remorse or growth. He just seems to act blasé about it all. He only seems to show any emotion when it becomes an inconvenience e.g to his career. And that emotion is usually anger. The fact that he always refers to the assault as an "incident" etc. and on GMA said something like "the incident doesn't bother him anymore". As we, the public, can only really go by what he says and shows us - behaviour and comments like that don't make his plight to be "forgiven" any easier.
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