Demna Gvasalia - Designer, Creative Director of Balenciaga

I was rooting for Bouchra so bad…

I had the feeling that Kering wanted to hire again someone who can give to Balenciaga a less fussy, more urban attitude by translating Cristobal’s trademark volume to everyday clothes; something that Wang tried to do but He failed to provide due to his lack of direction and refined skills. It was really easy to caught Demna and that’s what surprises me a lot because (as others already mentioned) He seemed quite commited to his own project. Balenciaga and Vêtements are two parallel universes and the example I’ll give might not make sense but; who would have thought that Martin margiela was the most sublime creative director Hermès ever had ? I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
This is quite the battleground we have here. In my opinion, Wang was simply a celebrity placeholder while they figured everything out. I'm not too familiar with this guy, but from seeing his collections, this is a gamble. He's been well trained but the philosophies couldn't be more different. I'm excited to see how this tension will manifest because he has to bring it. Kering is not going to give him time to figure anything out.

Side note: did Ghesquiere take his entire team with him to LV? There must be someone in the studio who knows the brand inside and out they could've considered.
 
This is quite the battleground we have here. In my opinion, Wang was simply a celebrity placeholder while they figured everything out. I'm not too familiar with this guy, but from seeing his collections, this is a gamble. He's been well trained but the philosophies couldn't be more different. I'm excited to see how this tension will manifest because he has to bring it. Kering is not going to give him time to figure anything out.

Side note: did Ghesquiere take his entire team with him to LV? There must be someone in the studio who knows the brand inside and out they could've considered.

Most people either went with him or left for other places. Most houses were eager to hire talent from Nicholas's team and they all ended up with director titles elsewhere.

From what I understand only the menswear designer stayed.

I imagine that the technical staff, the atelier, remained.

I applaud this hire, I think Denma is a really curious and inspired designer (though he has maybe gotten too much inspiration from Margiela).

I hope he uses the new medium to address a different aesthetic and customer than what he does for Vetements. And I hope he can put their Ateliers to proper use (the details in his Vetements collections don't speak so well of his know-how with couture).

And I'm wary of designers who are split between two houses. If I were Kering I would have asked that he step away from Vetements.
 
I don't know why people have to be so black&white.. Raf is proof you can design for a fashion conglomerate house and still have an indie imprint with radically different (if not opposing) ethos/aesthetic. So Demna is neither unfit or selling out imo. Like most I'm not very familiar with this guy but his pedigree (RAFA, MMM, LV) is rather impressive and shouldn't be dismissed. I get that 'Vetements' is polarising to say the least but there is an edge there that Balenciaga could use.. I find it amusing Balenciaga's PR shrugged at the idea. Maybe this constraint is what led Wang to play it so safe (even though I think it was a terrible idea to hire him from the start). Anyways looking forward to what's going to unfold.. hoping for a bold new vision..
 
This is quite the battleground we have here. In my opinion, Wang was simply a celebrity placeholder while they figured everything out. I'm not too familiar with this guy, but from seeing his collections, this is a gamble. He's been well trained but the philosophies couldn't be more different. I'm excited to see how this tension will manifest because he has to bring it. Kering is not going to give him time to figure anything out.

Side note: did Ghesquiere take his entire team with him to LV? There must be someone in the studio who knows the brand inside and out they could've considered.

In my opinion , also.
And now will be one more placeholder, Demna Gvasalia.
I re-viewed Vetements collection, if he will create similar for Balenciaga the buyers will run away. And the customers will not pay a lot of Money for Balenciaga by Demna Gvasalia.
Who wear Vetements will not wear Balenciaga.

Balenciaga's clients were Pauline de Rothschild, Bunny Mellon, Marella Agnelli, Hope Portocarrero, Gloria Guinness, Mona von Bismarck, that was in years 1950-1960.
Then, more recently ,Nicole Kidman to the 2006 Academy Awards, but it was in Ghesquière's time. and so on.
also if Balenciaga is famous about avantgard ready-to-wear collection which were wearing by Hollywood stars and Topmodels.
I'm not sure that Gvasalia can bring Balenciaga to succees.
There is very big different between Vetements (which looks very Martin Margiela + few more designers) and one Maison as Balenciaga is.

Maybe there were any Couturier and Balenciaga has not designer, so why not try with Demna Gvasalia. And he for sure was happy to work in famous Maison such Balenciaga.

In my opinion, if after short time they will tell him to choose only 1 Label to design for, he will choose Balenciaga.

But this Vetements is horrible.
 
I can't help but feel this is yet another bad Kering hire, just like Slimane or Michele.....

it's so sad it's not about the clothes anymore, their sole intention seems to be creating hype and controversy, and judging from this guy's latest collection they will achive just that
 
So all that hipsterism was a pose. What's new?

I'll reserve judgment but I worry that he can't even cut a pattern to save his life.
 
WILL BALENCIAGA’S NEW CREATIVE DIRECTOR BE EVEN MORE COMMERCIAL THAN ALEXANDER WANG?
What Demna Gvasalia’s appointment means for the brand.

By Cathy Horyn

Balenciaga has a new creative director: Demna Gvasalia, the Georgian-born, 34-year-old founder of the Paris label Vetements. Gvasalia comes to Balenciaga with experience: a master’s degree from the Royal Academy of Fine Art in Antwerp, a stint at Maison Margiela (after Margiela himself had retired), and a year or so as a senior designer at Louis Vuitton. His first show for Balenciaga, owned by the Kering group, will be next March.

Vetements, now in its fourth season, has caused a stir in Paris and in retail, with its repurposed vintage jeans (a single pair, made out of three pairs, sells for about $1,400) and oversize hoodies and T-shirts. Its shows are small, clubby, intense, with an ad-hoc feeling not unlike early Margiela shows. “We felt the energy was missing in Paris,” Gvasalia said by way of explaining the brand’s approach when I stopped by Vetements’ garagelike showroom yesterday to see his clothes up close.

Gvasalia maintained a perfect poker face about Balenciaga, denying he was succeeding Alexander Wang. “This brand takes all my time,” he said of Vetements, which he runs with his brother, Guram, as a business manager, and a small team. But after a moment Gvasalia did ask if I could see him at Balenciaga, and reluctantly I told him it could be an interesting experience for him, especially given the Balenciaga archive and his evident passion for breaking down a garment. And Nicolas Ghesquière, who initially revitalized Balenciaga, had started with cool street clothes — remember his batwing tops and skinny trousers, followed by his popular cargo pants? His experimental stuff came later.

My problem with Vetements is that it basically seems a next-stage Margiela, though without Martin Margiela’s remarkable vision and ability to present clothes in a way that altered your view of fashion — much as the Japanese designers did in the 1980s. Gvasalia didn’t disagree. “We really think of ourselves as a supermarket of products,” he said, adding that it’s easy to get burned out when every six months you have to come up with a new concept. “I know commercial is a dirty word in fashion, but that’s really our base. We want to make things that will sell.”

We paused to look at a black pantsuit. It had a slightly two-dimensional look, achieved largely by the flat fall of the wide sleeves from the shoulders and the creased trousers. “It has an attitude that’s not a Brioni suit,” said Gvasalia with a smile. “It’s 100 percent polyester.”

Of course, Margiela’s vision was really a long-term project, and not something that flickered with the seasons. It remains to be seen if Gvasalia can make a project out of Balenciaga, as Miuccia Prada does with her own label, or Ghesquière has done at Louis Vuitton in a fairly short time. One thing that will be interesting to watch is how feminine Gvasalia can make Balenciaga. Vetements is quite a masculine label. His team’s goal, he said, is to “break the typical femininity,” and create styles that you can just slip on and wear, like Vetements’ new frilled-yoke dresses in jersey. Accordingly, they fit their samples on both models and normal bodies to achieve a more natural, unfemmy attitude.

While Balenciaga's femininity isn't romantic, like Dior's, it does have a history of extreme volumes and austere lines. Even now, we still associate the house with the '50s images of Penn and Avedon. And there's Cristóbal Balenciaga's Spanish heritage to explore, which includes the Catholic Church. Ghesquière did street-inspired clothes when he worked there, but he really got into the very structured pieces from the archive and made new interpretations. Wang left a very mixed "legacy" during his three years. In a way, Demna has a clean slate to rebrand Balenciaga.


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It's all about catering towards a younger demographic now, not surprised by this. It will be interesting...
 
Seems like an insanely hasty choice in my opinion. Regardless of his level of talent as a designer/image maker Alexander Wang had seven years of commercial success under his belt when he took over Balenciaga. If nothing else the bottom line was bound to be met. This guy has had his own label for, what, a year and a half? Is that really enough time to have built brand that has more than a bit of buzz going for it?

Funny enough my reply makes it seem as though I care more than I actually do. If nothing else it'll be one less show to make sure I remember to watch when it streams live.
 
Part of me really wants the first collection to be a mess just for the entertainment. This is a cursed position anyways so I mean, why not.
 
Oh WoW! The first Georgian designer to helm such a big fashion house! I must say I am feeling very proud. However, I still hope his designs will bring something new and exciting to the house of Balenciaga that started looking very tired under the creative vision of Wang...
 
Seems like an insanely hasty choice in my opinion. Regardless of his level of talent as a designer/image maker Alexander Wang had seven years of commercial success under his belt when he took over Balenciaga. If nothing else the bottom line was bound to be met. This guy has had his own label for, what, a year and a half? Is that really enough time to have built brand that has more than a bit of buzz going for it?

Funny enough my reply makes it seem as though I care more than I actually do. If nothing else it'll be one less show to make sure I remember to watch when it streams live.

I think it's not enough time , he hasn't enough experience.
And he designed horrible clothes, imo. In the case of this Vetements is not a hipsterism it's simply a bad taste ( and money, if he saig by himself that ist a polyester...which designer will use Polyester and who want to wear polyester
The models looking terrible, all this bla-bla about "normal" Girls is simply because of money, better say not enough money and not too much Investors and buyers. (Somebody bought 1 pair Jeans for 1 400 euro so what?
How many jeans which costs 1200- 1500-2000 simply ready-to-wear, also often not from runway sells another Labels? )

Maybe Gvasalia has talent and can and also want! design the clothes which Balenciaga was famous for.

If Gvasalia's Vetements would could have succees for a long time, if he and his brother sells good, got Investors so why must he start do design for Balenciaga? Is he sure to be good enough , to have real Talent for one iconic House such Balenciaga is?

Yes, Bouchra Jarrar is good.
 
Oh WoW! The first Georgian designer to helm such a big fashion house! I must say I am feeling very proud. However, I still hope his designs will bring something new and exciting to the house of Balenciaga that started looking very tired under the creative vision of Wang...

And what about Davíd Komakhidze alias David Komá in Thierry Mugler :wink:
 
And what about Davíd Komakhidze alias David Komá in Thierry Mugler :wink:

OMGOSH! I had no idea... Maybe my feelings are a little exaggerated and in fact, have nothing to do with fashion as such but Georgia is a small country to which history hasn't always been very kind...Probably not many people can understand my sentiments but I feel so proud...;-)
Anyway, I always believed we were very creative;-) Not me unfortunately;-D

Thank you very much for letting me know!
 
OMGOSH! I had no idea... Maybe my feelings are a little exaggerated and in fact, have nothing to do with fashion as such but Georgia is a small country to which history hasn't always been very kind...Probably not many people can understand my sentiments but I feel so proud...;-)
Anyway, I always believed we were very creative;-) Not me unfortunately;-D

Thank you very much for letting me know!

I can and i understand your sentiments :wink:

But in my case i'm not proud about this three, i mean Valentin Yudaskin,Ulyana Sergeenko and :shock: Slava Zaitsev.

:D

Anyway, i hope Gvasalia will do his best. The medias are speaking a lot about him because of Balenciaga.
One famous site put his Vetements in the 5 or 10 "Best Fashion Shows" from the 4 ! Fashion Weeks. Publicity but all the rest depend of his talent.
 
I can't wait for the street style ready oversized sweatshirts and mom jeans with Balenciaga stamped on them for 2000 a pop. They will fly off the shelves unfortunately. :rolleye:
 
Gvasalia's short career pioneering his own brand is not what hesitates confidence in this appointment - Nicolas never led a brand before he took over Balenciaga, only designing suits and funeral clothes for one of the brand's licensees, and we know how incredible that turned out. Gvasalia at Balenciaga disinterests me because in Vetement's existence he has yet to present an invigorating collection in my opinion. His ideas are radical but not original and lack substance. His shows are mere phantoms of Margiela's, a MMM diffusion brand at best.

He may still surprise us, Balenciaga's team, resources, and archives could be the creative catalysts he needs. The brand has housed two of fashion's most brilliant and influential designers ever, Cristobal and Nicolas, tenures that still shine brilliantly. For Gvasalia to do great he cannot reflect their light like the moon, but be a star in his own right, I just doubt he has enough for a spark.
 
well I guess money's money, better than no money, and then there's fame, but god, riding the Balenciaga horse?... that's like showering for work in the (pretty-looking and historic) public showers. I don't know. Then again, Vetements and all its hype reminds me of the solemnity built around crappy brands like Imitation of Christ pre-9/11 when everyone was so bored.

I really wish we could start moving on from the Margiela credential already...


I do think he might do more interesting things than Alexander, but I'm not really sure why I think that :lol:..
 
what i want to figure out is which MMM collections and which LV collections were his...
i think that is where we see how he works with an already established design vocabulary...

the whole vetements project has just paid for itself...
you could now just consider it a great marketing campaign for himself...
and it certainly seems to have gotten him one step further up the ladder...
no longer working for a creative director but being one himself and getting paid well to do it...
he took a big risk, invested in himself and it paid off...
it's kinda genius, no matter what you think of vetements...

maybe you have to invest in yourself if you want others to do the same?

i find the whole thing fascinating...

^_^

i don't think the vetements thing is going to last much longer though...

:innocent:
 
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