Demna Gvasalia - Designer, Creative Director of Balenciaga

“It was a coincidence” lmaooooo oh ok


Come on, we can debate all day whether or not this controversy is actually all that serious, but the set dressing with the court documents couldn’t possibly be an unhappy accident, a mere coincidence. Own up to it, find a scapegoat, or tell everyone outraged to go to h*ll. But playing dumb? Just the least respectable response. Who knows, maybe it’ll help settle things, but in my mind he’s either a liar or incredibly naive/stupid, and neither is a good look.
 
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^ that guy though, his ‘career’ is a bigger mystery to me and more symbolic of fashion’s rock bottom than Demna still being at Balenciaga.

I never heard of him until a friend sent me that tweet.
 
Louis Pisano is back back? Okay werk… Thought we were leaving this attitude behind in 2022.

The interview is just one huge act of deflection. And even the answers are trying too hard which has pretty much been his entire career. People caught on, and now he’s trying too hard at not being try hard. Attempting to have a conversation with him must be a bloody nightmare.
 
So that guy is back. Sigh. I don't trust a single word came out of his mouth.

Anyways
After reading the interview, I'm kinda want to see the March show. Despite what I think about him in the last few years, he is talented and showed how to update the Balenciaga codes for modern times in his first two years.

At least Demna is humble enough to know that he is lucky to have a chance for redemption.

Demna, good luck, and don't f*** it up.

The only part I truly believe is that he wants to cut back on the bullsh*t "moments" and attempts to manufacture buzz, and just try making clothes again (which he was doing interestingly for a while before the bullsh*t took over). Let's see how that turns out. Also it sounds like the celebrity stuff was pushed by Kering, reading between the lines.
 
The celebrity push was by kering. Before he worked more with artists and gallerists.
 
It’s easy to blame KERING when he had a personal relationship with Kanye and used it to his advantage…
It’s not so much about celebrities but who and how do you handle it.

Absolutely.

Nobody forced him to be friends with Kanye West or Kim Kardashian.

No one asked him to tape her up and duct tape or have him open his show.

Every brand likes celebrity endorsements but no one required that he use those celebrities.
 
It’s easy to blame KERING when he had a personal relationship with Kanye and used it to his advantage…
It’s not so much about celebrities but who and how do you handle it.


Yeah you’re definitely right about Kanye & co. That’s his own doing for sure. To be honest, there is no unguilty party here. I hope this is a moment of reconsideration for fashion, where the aspirational celebrity can backfire at any moment.
 
Sure, but given the public outcry, had a show happened this season without any real "show" of support/remorse and learning from their mistakes people would've been naming a million things (like this) that they should've done.

It's a lose lose situation. They have to do damage control and it has to be public. Being silent and truly authentic about any charity work isn't going to win them favor, because no one will know about it.

Optics.

Absolutely.

For a brand whose clout is so heavily dependant on impressing the fleeting gnat’s attention-span of SM, they had no choice but to be performative with such compensation and to make this announcement on the platform that crucified them in the first place. Staying silent is not an option: SM demands the brand down on its knees, begging for forgiveness— and with a very very very generous donations to placate the mob.

It’s absolutely absurd for a high fashion brand to beg for the masses approval in such a way. What’s next...? Should Balenciaga be sponsoring/donating to the homeless shelters/drug addiction centres in Skid Row since so many of its aesthetic is stolen from this area??? And what about the war-torn and impoverished regions of Eastern Europe where so many of the brand’s sensibilities originated from? Just hilarious the sh!thole he has dug himself into with his arrogance and desperately courting provocation in the first place. I’ll always maintain he’s a talented designer— and so much better than pandering to the lowest of common denominators. But ever since he stooped down to the masses’ level withe the ridiculously-priced basic, he deserves all the dragging and upcommance for trolling with such tasteless imageries as homelessness/poverty/child exploitation and thinking he’s immune to any repercussions of the pettiness, fickleness of SM culture. Reap what you sow (…and learn to read the room).

This much deserved rude awakening is exactly what he's needed to push his creative talent and rise from all this gimmicky, trolling trash that’s defined him. Of course he’s going to cite Balenciaga of the rarified fashion world now that pop culture has turned against him. And frankly, if he were never to be heard from again-- and that goes for his crew, it’s really no big loss.
 
“It was a coincidence” lmaooooo oh ok


Come on, we can debate all day whether or not this controversy is actually all that serious, but the set dressing with the court documents couldn’t possibly be an unhappy accident, a mere coincidence. Own up to it, find a scapegoat, or tell everyone outraged to go to h*ll. But playing dumb? Just the least respectable response. Who knows, maybe it’ll help settle things, but in my mind he’s either a liar or incredibly naive/stupid, and neither is a good look.
I know. Both Kering and he appeared to be cowardly and insincere. If you made a mistake, own up to it and move on. Not this nonsense...
 
I have to say that at least he takes his job seriously after the mess he caused. It seems it has humbled him and his ego. I am interested to see this collection as it sounds promising on paper and we know he is capable in the tailoring department. I feel this is going to be one of the most anticipated shows as it feels like a make-or-break moment.
 
François-Henri Pinault about Balenciaga controversy:

“It impacted Balenciaga a lot in December, especially in the US, the Middle East and the UK, though there was no reaction in Asian markets,” Pinault said. “Now the house has a lot of work to do to restore its image in Anglo-Saxon markets.”

He added: “I’ve been asked why heads didn’t roll over this . . . We are allowed a mistake at a group like Kering, we are not allowed to make the same mistake twice, but we are allowed a mistake.”

Full Article: Kering sales hit by weaker Gucci performance in China and Balenciaga controversy by Financial Times /Source: ft.com

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After the brand went silent in December and January, it resumed campaigns at the end of January, and Demna gave his first interview on the matter to Vogue, which Pinault referred to as “the restart point” (Vogue and Vogue Business share a parent company, Condé Nast). “From the [Autumn/Winter 2023] show on, we [will] resume a normal pace of expression of the house,” Pinault told reporters.

Full article: François-Henri Pinault on the future of Gucci and Balenciaga / Source: Voguebusiness.com

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“I am very confident that with the talent of [creative director] Demna and the leadership of [CEO Cédric Charbit] that we will overcome these very difficult issues that we had in December,” Pinault added.

Full article: Gucci, Balenciaga Slowdowns Dent Kering’s Q4 Results / Source: WWD.com
 
^The three full articles in question:
Kering sales hit by weaker Gucci performance in China and Balenciaga controversy
Chief executive says luxury group’s sales have picked up since January

Adrienne Klasa in Paris
FEBRUARY 15 2023

Sales at luxury group Kering have picked up since the beginning of the year, its chief executive said, after they were dragged down by lacklustre performance at Gucci in China and Balenciaga was mired in controversy.

Like-for-like sales at the Paris-based group fell 7 per cent in the fourth quarter, while Gucci’s sales shrank 14 per cent year on year, largely because of the impact of Covid-19 lockdowns in China. Analysts had predicted they would fall by 11 per cent.

But François-Henri Pinault, the group’s chief executive, said: “We’ve seen a remarkable inflection compared to the trajectory in December, which was very affected notably by the policies and the health crisis in China.

“Chinese new year [sales] went well, better than we had anticipated . . . The malls are packed, people have moved on to other things,” he added, having visited the country in January.

Separately, Balenciaga, which had an “excellent 2022”, took a sales hit two months ago after it ran an advertising campaign featuring children with plush toys in bondage gear.

“It impacted Balenciaga a lot in December, especially in the US, the Middle East and the UK, though there was no reaction in Asian markets,” Pinault said. “Now the house has a lot of work to do to restore its image in Anglo-Saxon markets.”

He added: “I’ve been asked why heads didn’t roll over this . . . We are allowed a mistake at a group like Kering, we are not allowed to make the same mistake twice, but we are allowed a mistake.”

Kering, which pulled the ads and apologised at the time, will create a new executive position to oversee “brand safety” following the scandal.

The group does not break out numbers for its smaller brands such as Balenciaga and Alexander McQueen.

For the full year, revenues at Gucci rose 1 per cent to surpass the symbolic €10bn mark for the first time, accounting for half of Kering’s total revenue. Recurring operating income was flat at €3.7bn.

Pinault, whose family controls the group, said the performance of the various Kering brands was “not uniformly up to our ambitions and potential . . . [but] we are convinced that we are pursuing the right strategy for the long term”.

Overall Kering’s sales rose 9 per cent last year on a comparable basis to exceed €20bn in 2022, thanks to growth in western Europe and Japan. Net profits rose 14 per cent to €3.6bn.

Revenues at the group’s second biggest label, Saint Laurent, rose by nearly a quarter to €3.3bn.

Gucci is in the midst of a change of leadership. At the end of January the brand announced the appointment of a new creative director, Sabato De Sarno, after it split abruptly from its star creative director Alessandro Michele in November.

De Sarno will join in the second quarter and show his first collections in September. He will have the challenging task of improving performance.

Gucci had grown steadily from 2015 until the start of the coronavirus pandemic and gathered a strong celebrity following. But it has struggled recently to keep pace with rivals LVMH and Hermès in recent years, despite record customer spending on luxury.

Citi analyst Thomas Chauvet said: “On paper, Kering should benefit more than peers from China’s reopening and global travel recovery, but this could be offset by Gucci’s transition.”

Kering’s board will ask shareholders to approve a €14-a-share cash dividend for the year, topping up a €4.50-a-share dividend that was paid in mid-January.
Source: Financial Times
François-Henri Pinault on the future of Gucci and Balenciaga
As the group’s largest house awaits for its new creative director, it has a busy year ahead.

BY LAURE GUILBAULT
February 15, 2023

Gucci and Balenciaga dominated the conversation at Kering’s press conference on Wednesday, which the conglomerate hosted at its headquarters in Paris following its fourth-quarter earnings results. At Gucci, sales dropped 14 per cent to €2.73 billion. Balenciaga, meanwhile, had a very challenging December following the brand’s controversy at the end of last year.

“We are not at all in a transition year,” Kering chairman and CEO François-Henri Pinault told reporters of Gucci, which announced new creative director Sabato De Sarno in January. His first show will be in September, with his first collection hitting stores in early 2024. In the meantime, Pinault pointed to the upcoming women’s show in Milan in February, which, like the January men’s show, will be designed by the brand’s creative studio. A cruise show in Seoul in May and another men’s show in June are also coming up. “We are not slowing down,” Pinault said. “Quite the opposite: 2023 is the year when Gucci comes back to fashion weeks.”

The return to the fashion calendar is part of the Gucci strategy unveiled during Kering’s Capital Markets Day last June. In 2022, Gucci generated €10.5 billion, while the mid-term objective shared with analysts last June is €15 billion in annual sales. Overall, Kering sales fell 7 per cent on a comparable basis to €5.4 billion during the fourth quarter, and the conglomerate reported “mixed performances across houses and regions”. Archrival LVMH’s fashion and leather goods division, which includes Louis Vuitton, reported sales up 10 per cent in the same period.

Gucci is also pursuing its “elevation” strategy with the rollout of Gucci Salons, which are permanent spaces in either standalone locations or within Gucci flagships dedicated to very high-end offerings (think semi-couture dresses and custom-made pieces of luggage and high jewellery, with prices ranging from €40,000 to €3 million). The first standalone Gucci Salon is set to open on Melrose Avenue in April.

Among other components of the strategy is Gucci Cosmos, an exhibition which will open in April in Shanghai before travelling to major cities. “It’s an extremely sophisticated way to present the Gucci heritage that is not that well-known,” said Pinault. “It’s part of the events that accompany the move upmarket of Gucci and will contribute to change the image of the house.”

Regarding Balenciaga, group managing director Jean François Palus told analysts: “The impact of the regrettable controversy is now fading away, but of course, is still affecting trading right now. We think that this should be over in the course of Q2. We conducted two surveys, one internally and one externally. We came to the conclusion that there was no fault from anyone but just errors of judgment because procedures were adequately followed.”

He noted that the image department at Balenciaga has been reshuffled. An image board will now overview all content. It has also changed its external agency to also supervise the control over marketing level. “At the group level, we brought in additional guidelines on some topics, and we are considering the creation of a position in charge of brand safety in order to supervise this work,” Palus added.

Pinault said: “I got the question: why have heads not rolled? There’s a right to make mistakes in a group like Kering.”

After the brand went silent in December and January, it resumed campaigns at the end of January, and Demna gave his first interview on the matter to Vogue, which Pinault referred to as “the restart point” (Vogue and Vogue Business share a parent company, Condé Nast). “From the [Autumn/Winter 2023] show on, we [will] resume a normal pace of expression of the house,” Pinault told reporters.

Earlier this month, Kering announced the creation of a beauty entity in charge of developing the category, notably for Balenciaga, Alexander McQueen and Bottega Veneta. “We’ll start with fragrances,” Pinault said. On whether the group plans to repatriate the Gucci beauty license, which is currently owned by Coty, Pinault said: “I can't comment for legal reasons. We haven’t renewed the licenses of Balenciaga, Alexander McQueen and Bottega Veneta after they ended in the strategic perspective of creating our platform. It’s a rule that we’ll apply in the future.” The group is also eyeing acquisitions in beauty, providing “they bring expertises” allowing “to accelerate the development of the platform”.

Kering CFO Jean-Marc Duplaix also confirmed the acquisition of the building at the corner of rue de Castiglione and rue Saint Honoré that houses the Castiglione restaurant. According to press reports, it will be turned into a Gucci flagship adjacent to the new Gucci store dedicated to luggage. The building faces the Louis Vuitton Vendôme flagship. “There’s no confrontation here, no desire to do anything. It’s just that it’s a market where there’s competition, and from time to time, we are positioning on the properties that we think are useful for our brands,” Duplaix said.
Source: Vogue Business
Gucci, Balenciaga Slowdowns Dent Kering’s Q4 Results
Revenues were down 14 percent at Gucci, which is transitioning to a new design direction. Balenciaga had a "difficult" December.

By MILES SOCHA
FEBRUARY 15, 2023, 1:59AM

PARIS — After two of its biggest and buzziest brands fizzled in the fourth quarter, Kering executives played up the potential for creative renewal and upscaling at Gucci, and held out hope for a quick rebound from the advertising scandal at Balenciaga.

“I’m not going to pretend that the results we are presenting today are up to our ambitions, or that I am satisfied,” François-Henri Pinault, chairman and chief executive officer of Kering, told analysts Wednesday after reporting a 7 percent drop in the group’s fourth-quarter results. “They are not at the level of our expectations and potential.”

The numbers came in below consensus expectations, trailed its bigger luxury rivals, and represented a sharp slowdown from the third quarter, when Kering reported sales gained 23 percent.

Gucci revenues were down 14 percent on a comparable basis in the three months ended Dec. 31, with Kering blaming high comps and pandemic-related lockdowns in China.

By comparison, Gucci revenues were up 9 percent on a like-for-like basis in the third quarter, following a 4 percent rise in the second quarter.

Kering’s shares rose 3 percent to close at 578.40 euros on Wednesday.

The Italian brand is in a transition period, having parted ways with its longtime creative director Alessandro Michele last November. His successor Sabato De Sarno, previously a designer at Valentino, is to unveil his first effort in September during Milan Fashion Week.

During a conference call with analysts, Pinault was peppered with questions about why Gucci chose De Sarno — and how it will prop up momentum until his first designs arrive in stores in early 2024.

“Gucci’s status as one of the world’s top megabrands is secure,” Pinault asserted, noting its revenues reached 10.49 billion euros last year, increasing 1 percent on a comparable basis.

The executive revealed that Gucci would target luxury’s biggest spenders in 2023 with the launch of Salon, permanent and temporary spaces where high-rollers can order bespoke luggage, exotic leather goods, furniture and high jewelry, with prices ranging from about 40,000 euros to 3 million euros.

He said a permanent Salon is slated to open on Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles in April, while flagship boutiques might dedicate a floor to this elite level of clienteling. He characterized it as the latest step in Gucci’s product elevation drive, with its average selling price rising double-digits last year.

Pinault lifted the veil on Kering’s recruitment process at Gucci, revealing that candidates were asked to submit two proposals for the 102-year-old brand: one from scratch to project the brand into the future, and a second one based on archival Gucci items, to see how he or she might blend heritage and modernity.

De Sarno demonstrated modernity in his vision and identified a path to strengthen Gucci’s fashion authority, while building the timeless component of the brand, the executive enthused.

Even before De Sarno’s recruitment, Gucci had put a brighter spotlight on menswear, breaking away from the biannual coed shows Michele favored, and leveraged its history in luggage with a dedicated travel boutique in Paris and a major campaign featuring actor Ryan Gosling.

Pinault also touted a strong pipeline of activations this year, including campaigns for the Horsebit 55, the Bamboo bag and Guilty fragrance for men, in addition to its cruise fashion show in Seoul in May and a roving heritage exhibition called Gucci Cosmos debuting in Shanghai this spring.

“It makes me very confident that we can resume the growth trajectory at Gucci,” he concluded.

“On Gucci, the main takeaway is that the group expects to be able to deliver an improving EBIT margin in 2023 versus 2022,” Barclay analyst Carole Madjo said in a research note, characterizing the analyst call as “reassuring.”

Balenciaga, which triggered outrage with two ad campaigns last November and logged a “difficult” December, is lumped in with Kering’s “other houses,” which recorded a 4 percent revenue decline in the fourth quarter.

One campaign featured children posing alongside logo beer glasses and teddy bears dressed in bondage gear. Another included a handbag resting on a page from the 2008 Supreme Court ruling “United States v. Williams,” which confirmed the promotion of child p*rn*gr*phy as illegal and not protected by freedom of speech.

“We made a clear error of judgment,” Pinault admitted. “I take full responsibility for this episode. And I present our apologies to anyone who was affected.”

Asked at a later press briefing if there would be any personnel changes in the wake of the crisis, Pinault related that he has been asked may times why heads didn’t roll. “We all have the right to make mistakes,” he insisted.

Jean-François Palus, group managing director, said Kering has appointed a “best-in-class” agency to supervise marketing content at Balenciaga, and it is contemplating the creation of a position at the group level in charge of “brand safety.”

“The impact of the controversy is fading away,” Palus asserted. “We think this should be over in the course of the second quarter.”

Pinault noted that the consumer backlash was most intense in the U.S., U.K. and Middle East, with marketing activities at Balenciaga continuing unabated in Asia Pacific.

“I am very confident that with the talent of [creative director] Demna and the leadership of [CEO Cédric Charbit] that we will overcome these very difficult issues that we had in December,” he added.

Kering flagged “good momentum” at Bottega Veneta, which recorded a 6 percent increase in the fourth quarter, while Yves Saint Laurent rose 4 percent on a comparable basis. Revenues at the “Kering Eyewear and corporate” segment advanced 28 percent in the three-month period.

Net profit attributable to the group rose 14 percent to 3.61 billion euros, while recurring operating income improved 11 percent to 5.59 billion euros.

Saint Laurent was the biggest contributor to EBIT growth in 2022, and the star performer of the year, with revenues advancing 23 percent to reach 3.3 billion euros, bringing it closer to the 5 billion target Kering disclosed at a capital markets day last year.

Pinault noted the brand is making progress with its own upscaling drive, touting brisk sales of quilted leather Icare handbags at 3,900 euros a pop.

For full-year 2022, revenues at Kering rose 9 percent on a comparable basis to 20.35 billion euros.

By region, Western Europe logged the biggest gain at 56 percent year-on-year as wealthy Americans descended on the continent to take advantage of a strong dollar. Japan gained 25 percent and North America 4 percent, while Asia Pacific declined 7 percent amid coronavirus-related disruptions.

Quizzed about more recent trading in the latter region, Jean-Marc Duplaix, group chief financial officer, touted “better than expected” sales for Chinese New Year and “a strong rebound in purchasing in greater China,” adding up to a “quite encouraging start to the year.”

Pinault, who visited four Chinese cities last month, as reported, related that malls and streets are full of people. Meanwhile, meetings with government officials revealed an openness to international businesses and high levels of support for domestic consumption.

“It looks like they are really, really committed to bring back China at a level of growth that is much higher than what it was last year,” he said.

Kering is the last of Europe’s three biggest luxury conglomerates to report end-of-the-year results.

Last month, LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton said revenues rose 15 percent in the fourth quarter to 22.7 billion euros, an increase of 9 percent at constant exchange rates. Its fashion and leather goods businesses posted a 10 percent rise in organic revenues.

Compagnie Financière Richemont reported sales gained 5 percent during the holiday selling period, with its jewelry and fashion maisons offsetting weakness in watches.

Hermès International is due to report its fourth-quarter numbers on Friday.
Source: WWD

In all honesty, the fact that Kering's success is so dependant on Gucci's turnover is somewhat concerning, considering that they have six brands under them.
 
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^The three full articles in question:

Source: Financial Times

Source: Vogue Business

Source: WWD

In all honesty, the fact that Kering's success is so dependant on Gucci's turnover is somewhat concerning, considering that they have six brands under them.


I am not that concerned honestly, Bottega performs very well, their RTW/bags/shoes is very strong (their last collection just dropped and the pieces are stunning!!) and will soon top 2Billions. Saint Laurent is very popular, they grow big too (more than 3billions without the perfumes/makeup... that knowing their DNA could sell a lot).

For Gucci, they'll always sell well mid-range pricing products and if Sabato raises the bar: high quality clothing while keeping it interesting they can be very strong!! I mean just the name Gucci is so bankable. For McQueen, the clothing and artstic direction are good, paying interns and hiring people should be their next step.

Balenciaga, whatever. It was good when Martine Rose was doing some consulting. Now, with all the theatrics and egos... i would have changed all direction/creative teams + 1 year hiatus to restart on safer grounds. But guessing Anna wintour (who loves Demna) had some say in the decision.
 

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