Demna Gvasalia - Designer, Creative Director of Balenciaga

i read more and more about this man and want nothing to do with him. So unlikeable, and i get this sense that he thinks he is better than everyone because he doesnt take anything too seriously...
 
He is the Kanye West of high fashion.

I still can't believe he got Balenciaga, I'm abstaining from anything he produces during his tenure there, even his accessories are horrible.
 
Yikes @ the whole thing, especially the models part.

Honestly I was a supporter of him & Vetements in the beginning, but not so much now. He's kind of a douchebag.
 
His interviews really make me cringe and the last one posted is the worst. I'm not even going to comment on the model part - beyond ignorant.
 
I wonder if he is deliberately being this way ... or if it's his nature? I sometimes think that some people feel like they need the shock value ... by saying things that they know will upset people. It's sort of trying to be "counter culture". It could be a PR move or maybe not (who knows for sure?) ... although I don't think that this attitude will serve him well in the long run.

Talent and producing something that sells is what really counts in fashion ... the rest is nonsense.
 
^^^ He’s just carrying on a tradition of the Enfant Terrible. Gaultier, Viv, Margiela, Jean Colonna, Helmut Lang, McQueen did it better for me since they had a genuine vision that was uniquely their own, as well as being able to provoke. Demna is a remixer.

I do think he speaks frankly and not so much to provoke, but he’s a smart man and knows his bluntness will get a reaction. And he know he’s so secure in his current reign at the moment he can afford to be less tactful. He’s at the top of his game right now, and I get the impression he’s revelling in people latching onto his every word, his every move.

Designers have always been arrogant— just to what capacity that some can tolerate. McQueen was insufferably arrogant, but he had the goods and beyond to back it up. I think we’re less tolerant of Demna’s frankness, even his arrogance because he’s not bringing anything new to high fashion, at all. The article writes about his presentations at less than glamorous settings with even a less than glamorous cast sprinting around as if that’s such a revolutionary direction: How is that anything new…???? Gaultier, Viv, Comme, Colonna, Helmut and Margiela have all shown in unexpected, even controversial venues with a non-fashion traditional cast.

And I think he’s perfectly aware his reign will not last, so his rapid expansion to couture-y offerings is already under way. He’s a smart businessman. Maybe when the hype has faded, he will concentrate on design— I mean, I don’t think he’s completely without talent— he’s smart enough o go with what sells, and clearly, being a Margiela-remixer is what’s doing it for him… I’m sure he has a plan. He’s not a delicate flower who needs to be nurtured and protected.
 
^^^ He’s just carrying on a tradition of the Enfant Terrible. Gaultier, Viv, Margiela, Jean Colonna, Helmut Lang, McQueen did it better for me since they had a genuine vision that was uniquely their own, as well as being able to provoke. Demna is a remixer.

I do think he speaks frankly and not so much to provoke, but he’s a smart man and knows his bluntness will get a reaction. And he know he’s so secure in his current reign at the moment he can afford to be less tactful. He’s at the top of his game right now, and I get the impression he’s revelling in people latching onto his every word, his every move.

Designers have always been arrogant— just to what capacity that some can tolerate. McQueen was insufferably arrogant, but he had the goods and beyond to back it up. I think we’re less tolerant of Demna’s frankness, even his arrogance because he’s not bringing anything new to high fashion, at all. The article writes about his presentations at less than glamorous settings with even a less than glamorous cast sprinting around as if that’s such a revolutionary direction: How is that anything new…???? Gaultier, Viv, Comme, Colonna, Helmut and Margiela have all shown in unexpected, even controversial venues with a non-fashion traditional cast.

And I think he’s perfectly aware his reign will not last, so his rapid expansion to couture-y offerings is already under way. He’s a smart businessman. Maybe when the hype has faded, he will concentrate on design— I mean, I don’t think he’s completely without talent— he’s smart enough o go with what sells, and clearly, being a Margiela-remixer is what’s doing it for him… I’m sure he has a plan. He’s not a delicate flower who needs to be nurtured and protected.

Demna is not Lee McQueen. Not Martin Margiela and not Jean Paul Gaultier.
I'm not sure he has a plan. His brother, he has for sure.
They were in the right place at the right time.

BetteT ,i agree with you!Seems he think he need to the shock, he Need to be arrogant or maybe , yes, it's a PR.I think he is simply playing some kind of role and in reality he is not a Diva, or not yet.
 
His whole attitude and demeanor brings to mind a puzzle that got messed up and made unmountable during production and then got rebranded as a new cool puzzle that only cool people can finish. I feel like he's making absolutely no sense and he's trying make that lack of sense into something cool and mysterious but he's just exposing his own butt in the process. I don't despise Vetements, but I do abhor this guy. Eurgh.
 
I don't think "Vetements has shaken up the fashion industry and made a lot of people look"....I'm just trying to ignore this guy, he doesn't have a clue about fashion and thinks everyone else is stupid....although some probably are, buying his sh**** and considering him a fashion god....it's all so wrong.....
 
Well, he actually made a lot of people look. That's undeniable. And I agree with him in many things he said, but you can tell he says them cause he wants people to think he's cool. He is so PRETENTIOUS! UGHHH.

And I'm sure he does care. I'm positive the first day after the show he's up at 7 am reading everything people said about it. And he feels like a god if the critics are fine. I'm sure.
 
Well, he actually made a lot of people look. That's undeniable. And I agree with him in many things he said, but you can tell he says them cause he wants people to think he's cool. He is so PRETENTIOUS! UGHHH.

And I'm sure he does care. I'm positive the first day after the show he's up at 7 am reading everything people said about it. And he feels like a god if the critics are fine. I'm sure.

Sure he read :smile: and he care.
Maybe he is not pretentious, maybe he make himself pretentious, arrogant and cool.

I think he is proud about his success, if he will give the interviews like this one, he will loose his "fan club" and sales will go down, the items are expensive, there are only few items in every online store but not because they sold yet. Maybe because the Vetements brand can't still order too many pieces or maybe because the buyers are not sure if the items will be sold. The people who can buy it must be reach enough but how Long time the reach People would like this Kind of clothes and arrogance of designer?
I think inside is more PR and it is wrong PR, see the Video of his first Balenciaga, there , on the front row, near on not far from Suzy Menkes, was one women, sure from Demna's Family. ( some persons have forgotten their own origins when they started to be a stars...)
 
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He is from my country and everybody here speaks about him. Demna is very impatient person, changes his mind ten times in a day. He acts like doesn't care, but it's not true. Demna had very difficult childhood and still trying to adapt. Everything bad happened to him. For me it's still unbelievable how he achieved this. He is 35, but I'm sure he still trying to find himself and that's why everything about him is so confusing. Hope one day he will prove that he deserved all recognition. He has luck and very smart brother, but I believe that nobody can achieve (Especially when you come from ex Soviet Union country and poor family) what Demna achieved without talent.
 
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He is from my country and everybody here speaks about him. Demna is very impatient person, changes his mind ten times in a day. He acts like doesn't care, but it's not true. Demna had very difficult childhood and still trying to adapt. Everything bad happened to him. For me it's still unbelievable how he achieved this. He is 35, but I'm sure he still trying to find himself and that's why everything about him is so confusing. Hope one day he will prove that he deserved all recognition. He has luck and very smart brother, but I believe that nobody can achieve (Especially when you come from ex Soviet Union country and poor family) what Demna achieved without talent.

He left Georgia when he was how old? 20 ? To Düsseldorf.
Demna has grown up in Post Soviet time. And it is a very big different.If he was Born in 1981 than when he was 15-16 he knew he can travel when he will be 18.
He was Born there, you was born there, maybe i was born there???? David Koma (David Komadze) was born there.
Here , in tFS , maybe are people who were also born there.:wink:
For me it's still unbelievable how he succseed with the kind of clothes he does.
The image which he choosed for himself is not cool, maybe it is a bad PR, anyway, it seems to work in this time, here we speak about him, so it works.
I wrote yet, that maybe he is not pretentious, maybe he make himself pretentious and arrogant . It still comes like he use some Image which he think Comes cool, sympatic, ect. but it is not. He doesn't show himself how he is. Or maybe this Kind of Image is a PR. Did you read the postings? And if you read the interview 2 times you will see that the journalist has shown him not for the best side...

And if he has talent or not that will show time.
For me , they were in right place, in right time.
Sincerely, i was sure he will do something different for Balenciaga ..but what i saw? Similar to Vetements.
I hope he will do something new for Balenciaga men and Balenciaga women. Too much Looks weren't in Soviet era not :wink:
 
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I don't think that using his childhood to justify your actions is valid when you're doing high fashion. It's kinda irrelevant.
We have amazing designers like Galliano or McQueen who don't come from money and who didn't have access to fashion when they were young.
Galliano had his big break at 34 and even at that time, he was struggling.

Demna had the chance to work for some of the most important fashion houses in the world. He has been part of "the elite" for quite a time.

I don't think that Vetements will stay but maybe with Margiela not being so Margiela today, they will carry that Margiela aesthetic for a long time...
 
I didn't say that his childhood is the reason, why he is doing really ugly clothes,I said his personality isn't very clear, because of his difficult childhood. That's different! Koma is my fave Georgian designer, but his story is different, And I agree that Gvasalia brothers were in right place, in right time, but in Georgia we still haven't design schools :)) Fashion isn't real job here, Yaas Demna moved to Antwerp without any education in fashion and still he got highest rating from Antwerp six. He won almost every competition he took part, inc International Talent Support. I don't know how, but that's fact. I don't say that his attitude or wannebe cool image is good, or he deserves everything he got so fast, just from his clothes, but I believe that he didn't get everything for NOTHING, without talent and hope one day he will prove it. If not than he will be forgotten soon. Don't compare Demna to LEGENDS, he isn't that level, I doubt he will ever be, not everybody is Galliano, or McQueen but there are many good designers and If one day Demna will be one of them it won't be surprise for me.

And yes I'm reading his interviews and I know how confusing and unlikable he looks, but it's not surprise for me.
 
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I totally understand. I just said what i said based on the interview.
About his talent, he is talented. I think that to arrive at this level in that short amount of time requires intelligence and vision.
He do have some sort of talent but he isn't showing it at Vetements, that's why i said after his first collection at Balenciaga that he will maybe develop his style there.
The Vetements frenzy is so OTT that it will fade fast.

At Balenciaga, he has the opportunity to be great. Look at JW Anderson: his work at Loewe is amazing and it's almost unbelievable that he is reponsible for the crap at his own brand. Demna just need to stop doing interviews.:lol:
 
I think he will last for as long as fashion is in this crappy crappy place.
I don't believe he will be responsible for defining fashion for it's next stage.
He is so popular because fashion is in such dire uncertain state.

He does nothing for me, nor do his offerings.

Gurl Bye.
 
At Balenciaga, he has the opportunity to be great. Look at JW Anderson: his work at Loewe is amazing and it's almost unbelievable that he is reponsible for the crap at his own brand. Demna just need to stop doing interviews.:lol:
I actually feel similarly. I was by no means head over heels over his first Balenciaga collection, but I see a greater possibility for there to be growth and for there to be a a more meaningful collaboration than there ever was with Alexander Wang, for example.

And like with JW at Loewe, the responsibility to work within a certain idea of "luxury" and "couture" and "maison" might bring out the best of Demna. I usually have a pretty difficult time with JW's personal line because it oftentimes comes off as cheap and try hard, but because his work at Loewe requires a luxe factor - there's all of a sudden a great fission of off-kilter and glamour that works really well, in my opinion. I would like to see Demna embrace more glamour at Balenciaga. Like JW, at their own respective lines, there is no contrast of luxury to their rather odd/street aesthetics, but when they're at these established houses there's finally a balance of high and low within their work that makes things much more interesting and attractive. There's a willingness to play with the tropes of high fashion at Loewe and Balenciaga that neither seem to care much about at their namesake labels. I like that a lot more!
 
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^^
I totally understand. I just said what i said based on the interview.
About his talent, he is talented. I think that to arrive at this level in that short amount of time requires intelligence and vision.
He do have some sort of talent but he isn't showing it at Vetements, that's why i said after his first collection at Balenciaga that he will maybe develop his style there.
The Vetements frenzy is so OTT that it will fade fast.

At Balenciaga, he has the opportunity to be great. Look at JW Anderson: his work at Loewe is amazing and it's almost unbelievable that he is reponsible for the crap at his own brand. Demna just need to stop doing interviews.:lol:

Well said! If he stop with all this Interviews it will work for him. When the press is writing about show it's a different , there ca agree or desagree about collection but in intereviews he has shown himself not from the best side. Depends also of journalist but Demna surely can and must read Interviews before they will be post online or in print.
I hope he will use possibility which he has at Balenciaga. Because Vetements collections are looking similar, every time same.
If i want Margiela i will buy what John Galliano does. John is genie. His Margiela is luxuruos and i love his Vision of Margiela.
Demna Gvasalia till now has only used Margiela's idea, remaked it and named Vetements. I hope he will use Balenciaga archives and second collection will be different to the first one. This horrible bags, sorry i'dont like this bags at all. And how he described the bag in the interview.
Lola , you are right, he must stop with all this Interviews, this part where he speak about this bag , about old lady... exactly this part shows him as arrogant person.
 
Vetements Redefines the Whole Idea of Designer Collaborations in One Show
By Cathy Horyn June 23, 2016 11 p.m.

Next Sunday, when Vetements holds its spring show in Paris — at the Galeries Lafayette department store — the cultish brand will have a little help from its friends. Eighteen different brands, ranging from Levi’s and Hanes to Manolo Blahnik and Juicy Couture, will produce the entire Vetements collection. That’s right: Instead of collaborating with one company on one product — the tried-and-true pattern of the fashion industry — Vetements has rounded up a multinational gang of megabrands.

The gang analogy is fitting. Vetements is the work of a semi-anonymous group of designers led by Demna Gvasalia. Its shows, held (so far) in a seedy bar, a Chinese restaurant, and a church, feel like a guerrilla raid on Bergdorf Goodman. Jeans are recut. Trench coats blown out of proportion. Stilettos trashed and given new heels that resemble BIC lighters. It’s high fashion with an aggressive street bent. And while Vetements isn’t the first label to gain attention by mutating classics, Gvasalia and his team have a knack for the unexpected.

He says the idea of collaborating with multiple brands grew out of his experience producing Vetements’ jeans in Italian factories. Jeans were the first product that put the label on people’s radar, and somehow, in Gvasalia’s view, they never looked like Levi’s — “100 percent authentic.”

“That’s when I began thinking that the ideal situation would be to work with manufacturers who specialize in each category — whether it’s jeans, T-shirt, bomber jacket,” he says, by phone from Paris. “Of course, we didn’t have a reputation to be able to approach these people.” That changed almost overnight. In mid-February, when Gvasalia and his brother, Guram, who manages the business, decided to advance Vetements' show date — to July instead of late September — Demna thought it would be easier to deal with the shorter production time if they had multiple collaborators. In actuality, it proved to be a logistical headache, with the companies working in different parts of the world and nearly all of them used to much longer times to develop a new product. Undaunted, Guram began contacting them in early March.


The process of identifying potential partners was straightforward. “We really thought about each garment,” Gvasalia says. “What is the first brand that comes to mind when we think about, for example, workwear pants? So we went to Carhartt.” He went down his list, eventually getting Eastpak, Canada Goose, Lucchese, Mackintosh, Dr. Martens, Reebok, Church’s, Alpha Industries, Champion, Kawasaki, Schott, Comme des Garçons, and Brioni, among others.

“The idea was always to take the iconic, the most recognizable product from their brand, and put it into a Vetements frame, whether in terms of shape or construction,” Gvasalia says. The Vetements team supplied all of the designs, using authentic materials from the brands, and the brands’ factories — from China to the United States — handled manufacturing. (Vetements will oversee distribution to stores, with some retailers — unspecified at the moment — offering the complete collection.) Although there were some face-to-face meetings, much of the communication was done by email and video conferencing.

Also, given the sheer number of collaborators, Gvasalia and his team decided this was not a moment to reinvent Vetements’ look. They stuck with shapes and silhouettes that people already recognize, like the oversize hoodies and bombers. “For me, it’s a kind of season which is the end of one chapter for the brand and the beginning of another,” he says.

Gvasalia recalls his initial meeting with Manolo Blahnik in London: “I told Mr. Blahnik, ‘Well, we’re going to destroy the shoes. Are you okay with that?’ And he said, ‘Well, I love that. Please, please, please, destroy them.’” (By email, Blahnik says he was delighted to be involved: “What they are doing is very clever and new.”)

With Juicy Couture, the iconic element was its baby-hued, velour sportswear. “I love the comfort of it and the trashiness of it,” Gvasalia says. “But then we wanted to do something elegant with it, so we made evening dresses.”

With Brioni, inevitably, it was the tailored jacket. Recalling his visit to the Brioni factory, where he watched garments being stitched by hand, Gvasalia reveals that his idea was to have the layers of jacket glued together so that, in effect, it became a one-layer garment. “I really wanted to go against their traditions and rules,” he says, adding that the folks at Brioni told him that, out of the 220 steps to make a jacket, 80 of those steps are ironing. “I said, ‘Okay, let’s do a jacket that completely eliminates the ironing steps.' Of course, they were at first a bit shocked, but they did it. As a result, the classic Brioni jacket looks like Vetements. For me, that was the challenge with every product.”

And despite any doubts about “gluing” a Brioni jacket, Justin O’Shea, the company’s creative director, reports that the “tailors really enjoyed and relished the opportunity to work outside their comfort zone.”

For many of the collaborators, that seems to be the prime reward. For others, though, like Levi’s, it was a chance to match kindred spirits on an unfettered creative level. Almost a year ago, Jonathan Cheung, Levi’s chief of design, received a note from Bart Sights, head of the company’s Eureka Lab, saying, “Damn, we should work with these guys.” Both men had noticed that Vetements was reworking Levi’s. So when Guram contacted the jeans-maker, Cheung said yes.

Asked if it was difficult for Levi’s to deal with Vetements’ extreme shapes, Cheung, in an email, characterizes the process as “challenging and fun.” He adds, “There’s something about the authenticity of Levi’s that grounds the eccentricity of Demna’s work with cut and proportion. A yin to a yang. I think that’s what makes Vetements accessible. Demna plays with familiarity, authenticity, and twists it. If he used a weird (and we love weird!) fabric and cut it in a weird way, that would be too much. So our ‘realness’ is what makes his take on denim work.”

For Gvasalia, the reward was working with companies that brought generations of know-how to the table — and on relatively short notice. “When we saw the first prototypes coming in, for example, from Alpha Industries — the bomber jackets — they were perfect,” he says. “To me, that’s something we could never have done, even with the best factories in Italy, because they don’t have a hand for that. Alpha has done bomber jacket for years. They supply the army.” As Angelyn Fernandez, Alpha's vice-president of production and merchandising, explains when asked about Vetements' idiosyncratic fit: “We knew this would be different than what we do, but not completely out of our range. Alpha Industries has been making MA-1 bomber jackets for 50 years, and at one point we offered up to size 8XL, so the sizing and fit wasn't difficult. We just knew to expect the unexpected with [Vetements], and we are very happy with the results.”

The paradox of Vetements’ multiple collaborations is that they have yielded so much information at a moment when the very notion of collaboration has worn thin. As Gvasalia tells me near the end of our conversation, “We realized that the horizon of technical possibilities for design are much larger when you work with people who have this kind of know-how. That’s why I said to Guram that it’s going to be very hard for us next season to go back to our factories in Italy. We’re going to be so frustrated. For example, the way Schott makes biker jackets — no factory can do that. We’ve been looking for the perfect biker leather for two and a half years now, and we’re always compromising because something is never 100 percent.”

He pauses. “I can tell you that when I received the first swatch of leather from Schott, it was perfect.”

Although Jason Schott, whose great-grandfather is widely credited with inventing the motorcycle jacket, says that some of his production people initially questioned whether it was worthwhile to invest so much energy in making the Vetements pieces, they were inspired by the designs.

“You won’t see me wearing any of these pieces,” the executive admits, “but I have thoroughly enjoyed the process of developing them. We have learned some new tricks that could benefit our factory for future designs, and we would definitely consider working with them again.”

In fact, Gvasalia hopes that some of the relationships will be ongoing.

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