Demna Gvasalia - Designer, Creative Director of Balenciaga

Can We wait for his debut before complaining about the most minimal detail ?

Maybe he should have waited to present his debut collection before doing non-sense and pretentious statements.

I absolutely hate when those designers who are supposed to come from "the real world" are making those pretentious comments. He seems out of touch with some of those things he is saying who are in total contradiction with what he was doing at Vetements.

I was a fan of Vetements at first but i actually hate what it represents. It is the type of fashion that i hate...LFW worthy, full of pretention, old "new" ideas and all on the surface.
Everybody wants to be an intellectual designer but most of them are lacking in intellect. Everybody quotes Margiela, CDG and Yohji as inspirations when it's nothing more than name-dropping!

I've still some kind of hope for his work at Balenciaga. I don't like what the brand has become and i think it will be better than anything that Wang did but Demna must stop doing interviews...
 
I read the whole article on BoF again and I still don't see anything that terrible. Maybe because He pretends to 'fix' Fashion with vintage/goodwill clothing ? Whatever It is, each person undertands things on a different way so, moving on...
 
I read the whole article on BoF again and I still don't see anything that terrible. Maybe because He pretends to 'fix' Fashion with vintage/goodwill clothing ? Whatever It is, each person undertands things on a different way so, moving on...

I actually agree with you... I think we are reading too much into his words... Vetements is his own project... of course, he is heavily influenced by Margiela because this is where he started but let's not forget he has experience of working under the helm of other and very different designers... Let's first see what he does for Balenciaga and then judge the finished product rather than sink into despair without even having seen anything...

I thought his interview was certainly very interesting...and when we talk about being pretentious... some of us should really reread our own comments! ;-)))
 
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he's even saying he knows his stuff isn't original, he just wanted to make clothes that he and his friends would want to wear.
it's not his fault people created this much buzz around his stuff and are turning it into more than it really is.
 
I can't stand Vetements and it's even worse now that I have a blogger/tumblr sensation neighbor smug af and of course head to toe in mandatory vetements, which is just criminal, or maybe it's just her entire existance what should be illegal, but anyway yes, that image alone conjures all my thoughts I've had on the clothes themselves from the very beginning, and as much as I appreciate the ideas of simplicity and practicality, one of the absolute worst social phenomenons in the 90s was the logo craze and brands doing people either a disservice or the perfect tribute to their 'sartorial desires' by succeeding at uniforming them and making them look like cows with a letter stamped on them ready to go fillet. The irony and melancholic touch on a second chance to that is way too light so it just burns in the air as that one regular sweatshirt that spells out the name of the brand is multiplied by 250.

That being side, putting to one side for a second his actual work, I find nothing pretentious about the interview, he sounds like someone that for once attemps to raise questions, answer them and then act on whatever answer he found for them (as humanly incongruent as that may be). The economics background kind of shows. Then again I've always infinitely preferred those labeled as pretentious than the types that are just in it for either bashing or fanboying. Critical thinking lacks merit if it just comes accompanied by some ":rolleyes:" and zero ability to break apart what's being criticized and some suggestion on how to put it back together. What he's saying is true, everyone knows that, now the dates that he's mentioning for showing his collection sound very ambitious and risky and I think he'll be okay given the hype, so more power to him.

As for Balenciaga and the revolting protectiveness people here feel towards the old houses ("what's he going to do?" "ugh is it going to be more of the same?" "does he know what Balenciaga is?" "is he ruining the legacy?" "can they please fire him now?" "why have they not fired him yet?")... well I don't think that's his problem, people need to get over their 50s ideal of luxury and classicism and maybe detox a little from this petulant demand of wanting their fashion fantasies to be fulfilled by some designer or brand. It won't happen. Most women have evolved and wear things differently, so the majority of men wanting to see fairytale womenswear unfold before their eyes, they've just set themselves up for continual disappointment.

Back to his appointment there, it would've been awesome if he had passed on it. It's understandable that anyone would be over the moon being offered one of the 'top' positions in their field in such a short time, but considering the way it works and what he's able to deduce from that system and the fact that labels like Balenciaga nurture it really and it's not just the consumer or digitalization, you kind of wonder just how different it is from working at that düsseldorf bank. :ninja:
 
Balenciaga To Launch Menswear

21 April 2016

BALENCIAGA is set to launch its debut menswear collection under the creative direction of new designer Demna Gvasalia. The Vetements co-founder - who creates menswear for his own line - has spearheaded the initiative, marking the first time in its 99-year history that the house has catered for men.


"The show will debut the masculine vision of Balenciaga's new artistic director Demna Gvasalia," the company said in a statement this morning, WWD reports.

Gvasalia joined the label in October of last year, succeeding New York designer Alexander Wang, who spent just three years at the helm. Gvasalia's much lauded collections for Vetements promised a new vision for Balenciaga, and the designer did not disappoint with a debut collection in March of this year that saw his androgynous aesthetic and radical silhouettes applied to the Balenciaga archive.

The first menswear offering, for spring 2017, will be shown during Paris Men's Fashion Week on June 22.

vogue.co.uk
 
^^
That article make it seem that Menswear didn't exist before at Balenciaga. I'm kinda excited by his menswear.
Balenciaga mens under Nicolas was great, bad under Wang and it can only get better with Demna.
 
For the love of God, do these fashion journalists do any research on what they're writing about? Saying that Balenciaga is now going to launch menswear for the first time in the brand's history...I can't.
 
I know! So ridiculous! How can ppl working in the indusrty not know this already or at least try to do some research...
 
For the love of God, do these fashion journalists do any research on what they're writing about? Saying that Balenciaga is now going to launch menswear for the first time in the brand's history...I can't.

Yes, in Vogue is also wrote that it will be first Balenciaga's menswear, want see which kind of menswear Demna will do.
He start to be more famous that Olivier Rousteing!
 
the article explicitly states the collection will be shown in runway form. this is the first time the house has ever presented menswear, isolated from womenswear, on a runway.

if journalists take the time to do their homework, we should read with understanding to complete the circle of considered, considerate communication.
 
^It's not well-written at all.

has spearheaded the initiative, marking the first time in its 99-year history that the house has catered for men

But yeah, I understood what they meant. Anyway, I couldn't be less excited. Vetements 2.0.
 
the article explicitly states the collection will be shown in runway form. this is the first time the house has ever presented menswear, isolated from womenswear, on a runway.

if journalists take the time to do their homework, we should read with understanding to complete the circle of considered, considerate communication.

There's no explicit statement of it just being the first runway show. The word "runway" is not used in the article at all. How can someone say that this will be the first time in Balenciaga's history that they will "cater to men" when there are already entire stores solely devoted to this part of the business? There is no attempt on behalf of the writer to give any sort of context to the already-existing Balenciaga menswear. Reading this piece, you would very well think Balenciaga never did menswear in the century that the brand has been around.

That being said, I could very well see this as also being the fault of Kering's press team. Remember all that talk of Saint Laurent "deleting" their Instagram once Vaccarello was hired? Perhaps they are just desperate to stir up buzz and hyperbole by any means necessary, even if it revises/contradicts history.
 
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Demna Gvasalia on race, that DHL T-shirt and why he wouldn't pay for his own designs
Kate Finnigan, fashion features director
18 MAY 2016 • 7:00AM

When Demna Gvasalia - shaved head, hooded sweatshirt - rushes into the Rose Bakery at the London’s new Dover Street Market he could be any other street-savvy customer, but for an oversized, brightly striped leather bag on his shoulder, recognisable as one from the next season’s Balenciaga catwalk collection and tipped to be the hot accessory of the autumn.
“This bag,” he says, rolling his eyes as if he’s talking about some garrulous, attention-seeking pal. “This is just a prototype but the number of people who have stopped me in the street to ask where it’s from. Even an old lady came up to tell me this morning that she had the same one at home. I thought, 'I don’t think it is …’”

The man turning fashion upside down

Unassuming, fast-talking, eyes constantly moving, the 35-year-old Georgian is a co-founder of the French label Vetements, artistic director of Balenciaga and one of the most talked about men in fashion right now. He has rocked the industry with clothes and accessories that attract the same level of attention as his proto-type bag. And he’s rocked it because in a world more accustomed to gloss and polish, Gvasalia’s aesthetic is the anti-thesis and what he’s achieved doesn’t quite make sense.
Inspired by streetwear, by heavy metal, by hip-hop, by skateboarders and random pop cultural t*t-bits found on the internet, the Vetements look is oversized, kind of ugly and a bit hard to get your head around. Mis-shapen hooded tops bearing rude or consciously vacant slogans, oddly-cropped trackie bottoms, long vintage-style floral dresses with exaggerated sleeves, re-made jeans and most infamously of all, a yellow t-shirt bearing the DHL logo, (yes, that DHL), which has become a sell-out cult item. Gvasalia has taken the everyday, given it a twist and turned it into something desirable (those Balenciaga bags are a riff on cheap supermarket shoppers sold in Thailand).

And he’s not selling this look in cool skate shops to teenagers and 20-somethings but to grown-ups who buy luxury labels at the poshest stores in the world, such as here at Dover Street Market, where Vetements has a shop-within-a-shop in which I’ve just witnessed a trio of women cooing over one of his yellow nylon raincoats.

The backstory to that £195 DHL T-shirt

“We never expected a reaction like this,” says Gvasalia in his eastern-European accented English. “That people would desire what we do. We live in a world where clothes… I mean they don’t really matter, do they? But then then they do if you can speak to someone like that.”

And why does a £195 DHL t-shirt speak to someone, right now? “Well, he likes it,” he says archly, pointing to a man who is walking past at that exact moment in that exact t-shirt. “Let’s ask him. [We don’t.] For me, it was such a recurring topic in my life. Every day someone was saying, 'The package didn’t arrive, we have to stop working with DHL, we will be bankrupt by DHL.' DHL seemed to be more a part of my life than anything else so I thought, why isn’t it in the show?”

After some persuasion and in exchange for 20 T shirts for its staff, DHL gave Vetements the copyright to the logo and lo, the unlikeliest of fashion hits was born.

'My friends very often can’t afford the clothes'

Much has been made of the high price of this streetwear luxury product – those jeans are £800 - and Gvasalia does come across a bit sheepish about it. “At the beginning it was just very hard. We were very small and you have to fight with factories about quantities and they give you prices that are absolutely unworkable. But my ultimate goal is to be able to offer different things so the people who can’t afford to buy a leather jacket can buy a trench. We have this one raincoat [black with Vetements printed in white on the back] which I see everybody wear because it’s £150. My friends very often can’t afford the clothes. Like myself, I wear prototypes but I don’t think I’m crazy fashion enough to go and buy those things. I’d rather go on holiday. I feel like it brings more use. Holidays are important. Holidays and quality time on your sofa.”
Raised in Soviet-era Georgia and Germany, Gvasalia studied fashion in Antwerp, worked with the menswear designer and member of the avant-garde Antwerp 6, Walter van Beirendonck. He moved to Maison Martin Margiela, where he came to love the deconstructed element of the clothing and where many of the team at Vetements, which is a co-operative with his brother Guram as CEO, also worked. He then worked for Marc Jacobs at Louis Vuitton - "With Marc I learnt how to have fun. We had a karaoke machine in the studio. Marc would sing and smoke, Kate Moss would come in and it was a party.” In comparison, working with Jacobs’ successor Nicolas Ghesquiere was "like a laboratory – precision, perfection, you know."

From Vetements to Balenciaga

His appointment to the prestigious, 98 year old house of Balenciaga, after just three seasons helming Vetements, was a big surprise to the industry and one that he could not fail to embrace. “To go to this very beautiful couture house that has a heritage, to consider that and to merge it with my aesthetic is amazing. I could never do there what I do at Vetements but then again Vetements is not just me, it’s all the people involved.”
The influence of Margiela is clear in Vetement’s deconstructed clothes – although Gvasalia also says that also comes from Comme des Garçons – but the difference, he says, is that he is not trying to be avant garde or conceptual. “It is not about exhibitions, it’s about someone’s closet. It’s a business first of all and it’s about people wearing the clothes and the more the merrier for me.” So what is he trying to say with Vetements? “Not really much,” he shrugs.

The story behind those shows

Nevertheless, there is a certain snarly attitude that emerges at a Vetements show – which have been staged in a sex club, a Chinese restaurant and a church. The models race along the catwalk at an amphetamine-fuelled pace, deliberately unglamorous. There was no ambiguity about the sweatshirt for next season that proclaimed: You F**** A******.”
This was angry fashion with inspiration taken from heavy metal bands and fans, had the terrorist attack at the Bataclan music venue had been playing on his minds. “Oh, no, no, no, no, no,” he insists and then considers. “But living through that in Paris… I remember the morning after walking through Paris and it was zombie land. Maybe the anger somehow was present in our last show, yeah, but it was totally subconscious. In the same way, before Charlie Hebdo we had made all these security and police sweatshirts. Something is in the air, I guess. It’s strange. At a certain time you feel certain things and then it filters through to the world.”

On using an all white cast of models

What didn’t filter through at that particular show was any sense of ethnic diversity. There were no non-white women in Gvasalia’s first Balenciaga show, a few days later. Wasn’t that strange for a brand so influenced by urban Paris? “Well, I thought at a time when Donald Trump might be a President of the United States that I, a clothes maker, have to make political statement about ethnic diversity is funny,” says Gvasalia, not looking remotely tickled. “Our criteria for choosing models was purely based on the idea of diversity of character. We had very different types of girls but Lotta [Volkova, stylist and model] who works with me, we come from this cultural background where [race] is not even an issue. We don’t even have that thing to think we have to be politically correct. I guess the criticism is justified but from my point of view it was the attitude of those girls that was important for me not the shade of their skin or their origin.”

It is the only time in the interview where Gvasalia appears ruffled. I imagine the same mistake will not be made again at either house. It is a shame it was made in the first place because Vetements has shaken up the fashion industry and made a lot of people look. When a brand has the world’s attention it makes a statement even if all it wants to do is sell some clothes.
telegraph.co.uk
 
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God of course the white man would get upset when you question why he might be racist, that comment made my eyes roll back into my head.
 
Demna Gvasalia on race, that DHL T-shirt and why he wouldn't pay for his own designs

Thank you Lola for share this article!
More one month and we'll see Balenciaga menswear, and Vetements mens-womenswear with haute Couture elements!!!!! :rolleyes:
How long time the people will goes crazy about Vetements, that is the question... Demna's future as designer is secured, because of Balenciaga's job.
 
You're welcome fashionstuff:)

Seriously, that interview made me question his integrity. I dont know if he wanted to be seen as someone who doesn't care about fashion or something like that but it made me uncomfortable. It's beyond cynical.
You talk about wanting to make affordable clothes and yet your only example of that is a basic raincoat with a brand printed on it.
You talk about "not trying to be avant-garde or conceptual" when it's totally the contrary.

I prefer not to speak on the models part because it's a total stupid non-sense. "[...]we come from this cultural background where [race] is not even an issue.":ermm::ermm:

With this type of interview, i'm sure i'll not spend my money at Balenciaga.
 
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Hated the interview too, eventhough if I agree in some things. He is ******.
 
Demna's future as designer is secured, because of Balenciaga's job.

No, it's not. You could've easily said the same thing about Alexander Wang, but once he was out at Balenciaga, I think it's safe to say that people FINALLY see what limited talent he has. I think the same fate will fall upon this hack.

He's like the modern-day, European version of Imitation of Christ: designer look, designer attitude, but no designer talent.
 
You're welcome fashionstuff:)

Seriously, that interview made me question his integrity. I dont know if he wanted to be seen as someone who doesn't care about fashion or something like that but it made me uncomfortable. It's beyond cynical.
You talk about wanting to make affordable clothes and yet your only example of that is a basic raincoat with a brand printed on it.
You talk about "not trying to be avant-garde or conceptual" when it's totally the contrary.

I prefer not to speak on the models part because it's a total stupid non-sense. "[...]we come from this cultural background where [race] is not even an issue.":ermm::ermm:

With this type of interview, i'm sure i'll not spend my money at Balenciaga.

And the bag? :D
I think you has right, he wanted to be seen as someone who doesn't care , not only about fashion but also about the models ect., he want to be cynical, so fashionably "not fashion" and cool. But is he so? Sincerely, i think he is not. It is only a show, i mean this suceess,money, everything in one time, the things he never dreams to have, not on this level. The star of the moment. Of course they want to be avant garde and conceptual but can they? What will offer Vetements in 2 years? They , or he ,must do wearable , fashionable clothes which everybody will want to buy, it must be good Quality, it must be Avantgarde and wearable because if not, nobody will buy this Vetements after few seasons.

No, it's not. You could've easily said the same thing about Alexander Wang, but once he was out at Balenciaga, I think it's safe to say that people FINALLY see what limited talent he has. I think the same fate will fall upon this hack.

He's like the modern-day, European version of Imitation of Christ: designer look, designer attitude, but no designer talent.

Wang is another story :smile: and maybe Wang has more Talent as Demna :wink: ,i mean he will get the job or do something if he will leave Balenciaga, Balenciaga will make good for his CV. And i'm not sure that he is very talented designer. Businessman-yes, sure.
 

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