Discussion: Who Should Be The Creative Director of Chanel?

[blueorchid]

I found the source of Karl calling Chanel a mean b*tch lmao. It's from the Sunday Times (June 7, 1984).

First of all, pretending to be 46 in 1984.... Karl... I think the video he's referencing is something that is in the INA.fr archives online. I've seen it somewhere.



And these two quotes for a laugh:



Sunday Times Archive

 

[vogue22]

I found the source of Karl calling Chanel a mean b*tch lmao. It's from the Sunday Times (June 7, 1984).

First of all, pretending to be 46 in 1984.... Karl... I think the video he's referencing is something that is in the INA.fr archives online. I've seen it somewhere.

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And these two quotes for a laugh:

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Sunday Times Archive

I love how they kept in the little 'eh' he adds at the end of each sentence.

 

[LadyJunon]

I found the source of Karl calling Chanel a mean b*tch lmao. It's from the Sunday Times (June 7, 1984).

First of all, pretending to be 46 in 1984.... Karl... I think the video he's referencing is something that is in the INA.fr archives online. I've seen it somewhere.

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Is he wrong though? While Chanel did wonders for the modern woman's wardrobe, she had a reputation of being a "pick-me". She was absolutely heinous to other women who weren't like her, especially Schiaparelli.

 

[jeremydante]

I agree with you. One thing is to follow Karl's path, another is to be his equivalent.
Everybody and their neighbours were working at their own houses, under their own names: St. Laurent, Montana, Sonia Rykiel, Kenzo, Diane von Furstenberg, Mugler...

I can imagine at the time Karl's move was seen as "not being a true couturier".
But what Karl did against everybody, turned out to become the dream for the next generation: to resurrect a heritage house.
The formula has been the epitome of glamour in the last twenty years, but it shows now symptoms of fatigue.

Yes, as has been retold through the "Becoming Karl Lagerfeld"series too, there was a true against the grain element of Karl. And he prevailed sooooooo hard, over everyone. His dedication to meaningfully resetting the foundation at Chanel is what allows for the label to carry on this long without a CD in place, and that is criminally overlooked.

I think Hedi has been such a pass around that Chanel would not take him. And to that end, Hedi has been passed around with shorter stints. This is a vital consideration for his ability to stick with a house and have a strong track record.

Some are saying Hedi is dropping hints; but it more like Hedi tried to emulate Chanel. At Celine? The triomph, the black and white ad campaigns and videos. Let's be honest, Hedi has done most things in B&W because he's not an original. Even the skinny jeans who brought into relevance in the early 2000's were just a pop off the punk rock style profile. Like, come on.

Miss Karl though. His rude *** remarks and cutting one-liners.
That b*tch! hahahah / What a legend we were lucky to witness.

 

[blueorchid]

Is he wrong though? While Chanel did wonders for the modern woman's wardrobe, she had a reputation of being a "pick-me". She was absolutely heinous to other women who weren't like her, especially Schiaparelli.

No, I actually find it refreshing that he said that!! It made me laugh because it was TRUE!

 

[blueorchid]

Ahh, I came back to late to add that I just remembered that little Karl even complained about Chanel in the letter he wrote to his mother after he won the Woolmark Contest.


Paradise Now (William Middleton, 2023)

 

[Lola701]

Chanel’s reputation as being mean is well known. She fired all her Atelier when they striked for a raise, right? There’s a premiere who wrote a book preface by Ines De La Fressange who worked for Coco and Karl. And in interviews she shared how mean Chanel was.
And I remember Françoise Sagan talking about how she stopped being around Coco because she was mean and still antisemitic (and this was in the 60’s).

The personality of Chanel is well known. I think it shouldn’t matter for the mass but I think in the fashion community and those circles, it had some kind if weight. She was probably all the « ic » and « ist » included.

 

[tourbillions]

am i the only one reading these old publications in the voice of the bridgertons narrator??

 

[NYLA22]

Lauren Sherman had a scoop yesterday in her newsletter. If it's true, then it automatically knocks Hedi and several others out of contention, I would imagine:

• How much will the creative director of Chanel get paid?: Between $4 million and $5 million, according to someone familiar with the interview process. (The company declined to comment on the matter.) To be clear, that’s low for such a high-profile gig, especially because it requires exclusivity: no collaborations, no other creative director gigs. That may have been what knocked Simon Porte Jacquemus, who just announced a fundraiser for his namesake line, out of the running.
  
  At some houses, this role could command $15 million, $20 million a year. Why so frugal, Chanel? Well, it’s further evidence that Leena Nair does not want her own omnipotent Kaiser, who will lord over everything, but rather a structure in which the leaders of each atelier will report in to a business leader. In that world, the number is completely fair.

 

[Caffeine]

Leena Nair

She is 90% of the problem.

 

[vogue22]

She is 90% of the problem.

She thinks she's running a food company lol.