Do you dress eccentrically?
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This skirt it's such a creation
oooh yea i remember that photo! EVERYONE was gushing over it... though personally the skirt is abit much even for me, but it's such a pretty photo.
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Just stopped by to note that fashion.fashoff has Sun and Mercury (communication) in Virgo, and Venus in Leo. We also both have Sagittarius rising (which might lead to forthrightness in communicating who you really are through your personal style).
Does anyone else have pix to post?
fashionista-ta, i don't understand all these astrology talk.. i only know that i'm a Taurean and i seem to fit very much the traits of a typical Taurus. what do mean by Sun in Virgo etc
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for more talk about astrology and personal style, there is a thread here
http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/f58/astrology-personal-style-61953.html
let's move that conversation there
http://www.thefashionspot.com/forums/f58/astrology-personal-style-61953.html
let's move that conversation there
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for more talk about astrology and personal style, there is a thread here
let's move that conversation there
Right, sorry for our little detour. (It must be my Mercury in Gemini, I just love to go off on tangents.
) Just to be clear, can this thread include examples of avant garde style in general (historical figures, fashion shows etc.), or is it meant to be a discussion and pictures of streetstyle?
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actually i'd love to see 'avant-garde' in past times . i was about to post some myself
i thought it was only till the 80s with the "hiroshima chic" designers that they started using the term avant-garde in fashion
but maybe designer elsa schiaparelli (1890-1973) could fit in there..
i remember reading she is also described as a surrealist
i thought it was only till the 80s with the "hiroshima chic" designers that they started using the term avant-garde in fashion
but maybe designer elsa schiaparelli (1890-1973) could fit in there..
i remember reading she is also described as a surrealist
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^yes schiaparelli was a surrealist. she associated with dali and others.
one of my favorite pieces by her is a dress with trompe l'oeil printed tears/rips on it. she also did a really great "skeleton dress" that had narrow padded inserts shaped like ribs/bones
the closest recent comparison to schiaparelli is probably franco moschino, who used a similar whimsy, surrealist point of view, and offbeat sense of humor in his work.
one of my favorite pieces by her is a dress with trompe l'oeil printed tears/rips on it. she also did a really great "skeleton dress" that had narrow padded inserts shaped like ribs/bones
the closest recent comparison to schiaparelli is probably franco moschino, who used a similar whimsy, surrealist point of view, and offbeat sense of humor in his work.
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i found the pics of the pieces i mentioned
both are from 1938.
tear dress. i guess this is really avant-garde, since it uses tears/"damage" as an integral part of its design, something that did not really recur in fashion until the japanese designers in 1981. however it is slightly different, since schiap's are trompe l'oeil and seem a little whimisical, while the deconstruction of yohji and rei was literal-actual holes/tears in the garments-and had a darker feel, at least to me.
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skeleton dress
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both are from 1938.
tear dress. i guess this is really avant-garde, since it uses tears/"damage" as an integral part of its design, something that did not really recur in fashion until the japanese designers in 1981. however it is slightly different, since schiap's are trompe l'oeil and seem a little whimisical, while the deconstruction of yohji and rei was literal-actual holes/tears in the garments-and had a darker feel, at least to me.
arttattler.com
skeleton dress
randomhouse.com
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I love the girl in post 54!
I think avant garde is a specific category in personal style..
I think avant garde is a specific category in personal style..
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Thanks for finding & posting those Schiaparelli pix, FF ... especially love the black skeleton dress. I agree, really amazing for 1938.
Looking at the arms, do you think the sleeves fall on the mannequin the way they were meant to? Really the whole thing ... it looks to me as though the mannequin is too tall for the dress.
I agree, really amazing for 1938.Looking at the arms, do you think the sleeves fall on the mannequin the way they were meant to? Really the whole thing ... it looks to me as though the mannequin is too tall for the dress.
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^i was trying to find photos where the effect's not just in her hat but also in her clothes.. i only remember this one episode of FashionTV where she is running down the cobblestone street to the reporter with the camera, and there is all this colourful organza like fabric floating from her back like a cape or parachute
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^ Maybe you can find a wedding photo ...
Isabella was interesting in that she made very unusual, eccentric choices herself, but was also a patron who helped bring the designers she believed in to more people.
Isabella was interesting in that she made very unusual, eccentric choices herself, but was also a patron who helped bring the designers she believed in to more people.
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IMO she was more eccentric than avant-garde.
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Eccentric to me is someone like Karl Lagerfeld with his omnipresent sunglasses and hand-held fan, not Isabella Blow. As mentioned, she was a patron of experimental and innovative fashion/design, two qualities that are surely the foundation of avant garde style. I'm all for nitpicky distinctions between labels such as quirky, eccentric, original, avant garde etc. but I'm not sure these labels have substantial meaning.
Avant garde, as the term was founded, belongs to the time of modernism, and is not easily applied to or defined in our current postmodern climate. If anything, 'avant garde' has always had an uncomfortable relationship with fashion, because fashion is an industry, in addition to (arguably) being an artform. Avant garde is supposed to be in opposition to mainstream culture, but nowadays the "underground" and mainstream culture are difficult to separate, especially in the case of fashion.
For me, if I see a collection (like Margiela or Hussein Chalayan) or a person dressed strangely, and it challenges my perception of what beauty and style are, or could be, then I accept it as avant garde. I appreciate it even more if this style does not appear to follow a specific ideology or objective, as I described Petit Lucille's style.
Btw great pictures, Tata, except I think the Japanese (?) man is just wearing his traditional costume. It's still 'normal' to do that in some parts of Asia and the rest of the world. See, I am the worst of the nitpickers
Avant garde, as the term was founded, belongs to the time of modernism, and is not easily applied to or defined in our current postmodern climate. If anything, 'avant garde' has always had an uncomfortable relationship with fashion, because fashion is an industry, in addition to (arguably) being an artform. Avant garde is supposed to be in opposition to mainstream culture, but nowadays the "underground" and mainstream culture are difficult to separate, especially in the case of fashion.
For me, if I see a collection (like Margiela or Hussein Chalayan) or a person dressed strangely, and it challenges my perception of what beauty and style are, or could be, then I accept it as avant garde. I appreciate it even more if this style does not appear to follow a specific ideology or objective, as I described Petit Lucille's style.
Btw great pictures, Tata, except I think the Japanese (?) man is just wearing his traditional costume. It's still 'normal' to do that in some parts of Asia and the rest of the world. See, I am the worst of the nitpickers
