Hedi Slimane leaves Dior Homme

[belletrist]

Heu.. Fw 07-08 isn't in store yet
I don't believe it will affect the sales... I personally don't like the collection, it's still too "indie" and not slimane enough for me.

Izreal is talking about something very interesting here. I hate the idea of being obliged to go into a DH store after Hedi's leaving just to buy perfume and candles... I'm going to make a stock .
However, I don't believe he will be able to keep the perfumes/etc. Not sure about the bee and the darts but it's the same problem I think - everything is owned by Dior, not by the designer himself.
Well, I think Hedi's style is much more than this details (the hook, the plissé, etc). He will do without it and it will still be great.
On the contrary be sure LVMH will use and super-use these symbols. Be sure to see bees everywhere

 

[style_expert]

^ I was talking about wholesale..(when the stores order)

 

[ETROsexualJ]

Kris Van Assche is a follower, and what Dior needs is a leader. Someone as revolutionary as Slimane and Dior himself.

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Hedi WAS a leader and then just became someone who took whatever was going on at Misshapes and turned it into a designer priced item. The past 2 years Dior Homme just became a jeans/tee brand for hipsters.

 

[city girl]

well i loved the designs he did for dior homme..he made it iconic
interesting to see what kris does for the brand
all the best to hedi and i can't wait to see his future projects!

 

[zamb]

^ no because the sales of the fw0708 collection already ended in January

Maybe she is asking this in Regards to retail.......
not the wholesale.............

 

[zamb]

Heu.. Fw 07-08 isn't in store yet
I don't believe it will affect the sales... I personally don't like the collection, it's still too "indie" and not slimane enough for me.

Izreal is talking about something very interesting here. I hate the idea of being obliged to go into a DH store after Hedi's leaving just to buy perfume and candles... I'm going to make a stock .
However, I don't believe he will be able to keep the perfumes/etc. Not sure about the bee and the darts but it's the same problem I think - everything is owned by Dior, not by the designer himself.
Well, I think Hedi's style is much more than this details (the hook, the plissé, etc). He will do without it and it will still be great.
On the contrary be sure LVMH will use and super-use these symbols. Be sure to see bees everywhere

I am almost certain that all the images used while he was working there, will be own by the company, as he was an employee, being paid for his ideas and talent............. so, whatever ideas , details he came up with during that time, is effectively owned by the company.

Also, i think the line will sell very well. Customers will now know that it is the end of an ERA, and this is the last oportunity to buy anything Dior that was designed by HS , therefore they effectively become collectors item

Also, thanks for your frienship comment regarding Karl Lagerfelds Age

doesnt hurt to make a new friend every once in a while............

 

[zamb]

Hedi WAS a leader and then just became someone who took whatever was going on at Misshapes and turned it into a designer priced item. The past 2 years Dior Homme just became a jeans/tee brand for hipsters.

Yes, but who is it that was responsible for that?
YOu of all person should know that at this kind of (Large)Company, Hedi was not Solely responsible for the quality and selection of the merchandise that ultimately ended up in the store............
While being the "frontman" he is to some degree accountable, it is the Merchandisers, and the buyers that decide what end up it the store.
Also Dior has access to the best Factories in the World, so if the quality of the Clothing became crap, it is because the people who pinch the pennies wanted to use cheaper production facilities........
It is almost a similar situation here on my Dayjob.
I design military apparel.
We do some of the best Military apparel in the industry, both in design and quality, the company is rapidly expanding, and we are trying to simplify some of our best products, to make them more production friendly.........
sometimes i have to be constanly reminding some of our people that the products we do are successful because of the quality snd "uniqeness " of design that we put into it.
to simplify it too much and seek out cheaper production, will greatly compromise the reputation of the company................. and may not be in our best interest.
Profitability should be balanced with product integrity

 

[zamb]

Maybe this was the reason he refused to give up the rights and management control of his impending collection.
He ultimately may have wanted to cotinue doing Dior, and have his own line where he could do the things (quality etc) he wanted but couldnt fit into the context of Dior.........
While i am speaking of Chanel, I think Chanel Womenswear is a longshot for him though, as i do not think his skills are suited for that (although he may have more to his abilities than i am assuming)
Chanel requires a certain kind of designer who can make georgeous Gowns (sometime frou-frou) etc.
I see HS womenswear being for a kind of Customer somewhere between
the customer of Jil Sander and Ann D which is Much different from Chanel

 

[ETROsexualJ]

Maybe she is asking this in Regards to retail.......
not the wholesale.............

Seriously...we all know the fashion laypeople when talking about sales are refering to wholesale.

 

[ETROsexualJ]

Yes I understand that the way Saks buys their Dior Homme is different from Barneys and both are edited versions of what is available in the actual boutique.
But, setting aside what is in the department stores the past two years just seem to be him pandering to such a specific group of people (scenesters/hipsters/whatever the new term is) from whom he drew "inspiration" and then threw the designer price tag on it to be bought by others who are NOT the scenesters who are taking their new myspace pics against the painted black wall at Don Hills. To them Dior Homme was a place to get skinny jeans and a tshirt that they could throw their members only jacket and flourescent plastic sunglasses. It wasn't something cravable like it used to be...a la' the collection with the embroidered sheilds and Griffons on the shirts or the jackets that had the blood splat plastic on it.

 

[softgrey]

In the case of John Galliano, Dior's women's designer and of Marc Jacobs, creative director of Louis Vuitton, LVMH has complete ownership of both names and therefore control of development and strategy of their personal labels.

what?!?!?!......
it didn't start out that way.....
they were helping them finance their own labels---but certainly didn't own them outright!!...

OMG- i am completely shocked by that...
and i can't really blame hedi for refusing to do that...
i mean- look what happened to roland mouret, helmut lang, jil sander...etc...
you just can't risk selling your own name...

but it certainly isn't going to be easy to get financing for his own line...no matter what...as the article points out...

but didn't i read that he was going to YSL?...

 

[zamb]

what?!?!?!......
it didn't start out that way.....
they were helping them finance their own labels---but certainly didn't own them outright!!...

OMG- i am completely shocked by that...
and i can't really blame hedi for refusing to do that...
i mean- look what happened to roland mouret, helmut lang, jil sander...etc...
you just can't risk selling your own name...

but it certainly isn't going to be easy to get financing for his own line...no matter what...as the article points out...

but didn't i read that he was going to YSL?...

I thought you knew they were 100% owned by LVMH.
that is largely the reason why Kors left (at least so i heard)
and there was an article (cant remember the source right now, i will try to confirm later)awhere he even said he wouldnt want to be in Jacobs Position

Baenciaga when he closed his house in 1968 said "this living is a Dogs life" and indeed it sometimes can be.............

 

[softgrey]

i thought kirs left because he said he wasn't getting the support he needed from the company cause they were too focused on vuitton- the big money maker...
i don't think they wanted to buy michael kors, do you?
and they still barely give celine any attention...
who is even designing there?..is anyone paying attention?...


but i could see mcqueen leaving givenchy for that reason...
they do own givenchy as well don't they?...
and who is over there now anyway?...

it's true- they only seem to care about vuitton and dior...
$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Alejandro]

Well, I think Hedi's style is much more than this details (the hook, the plissé, etc). He will do without it and it will still be great.
On the contrary be sure LVMH will use and super-use these symbols. Be sure to see bees everywhere

Just wait for the monnogrammed bee leather goods

 

[zamb]

i thought kirs left because he said he wasn't getting the support he needed from the company cause they were too focused on vuitton- the big money maker...
i don't think they wanted to buy michael kors, do you?
and they still barely give celine any attention...
who is even designing there?..is anyone paying attention?...


but i could see mcqueen leaving givenchy for that reason...
they do own givenchy as well don't they?...
and who is over there now anyway?...

it's true- they only seem to care about vuitton and dior...


$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Well they owned 30% of kors when he was there , support meant he wanted to expand and they didnt want to invest anymore, and thus he was unable to expand.
He wasnt worth Buying anyways (there goes my shot at winning Project Runway)

Last i heart was they had appointed Jose Enrique Ona Selfa (or was it at Leowe) God i dont know what is happening............ and that was a while back

Yes they still own Givenchy, and i think you are Joking when you ask who is over there, so i wont answer that one..........

 

[softgrey]

heh--no- i actually forgot about tisci for a moment there...
cause it is so UN givenchy that i have a hard time keeping them connected...
i just think of it as tisci really...

i see what you mean about 'support'...
i thought that lvmh owned about 30% of MJ...same for galliano...
i am just surprised they would turn over their names...
but i guess those two have essentially sold their souls....
and in their cases- it has definitely paid off..
but woah- what a risk to take...

 

[zamb]

well.....
Givenchy really needed a change of Direction.
Mcqueen and McDonald never really found their footing there.
In the beggining I thought Tisci was a bit heavy handed , but he is slowly coming into his own over there.
He produced probably the best Couture Collection of the past season (its beautiful, poetic and can be worn)
so i think thats kinda working out fine.
they are really not doing good with menswear though..........
First the closing of Givenchy Menswear (the absence of another "coloured" talent in Boateng) and now this.............
i think they will lose more than Slimane will.
Again i say KVH is not in his league........
they should have hired alexandre, Taralis is already occupied at Cerruti....................

 

[LANE]

I love the Chanel Homme speculation you all. Imagine Hedi taking the reins of Chanel, the woman will have to be emaciated, the clothes will be super tailored, it will be a gay man's dream, much to the fancy of Karl, who loves a skinny woman. THIS MIGHT WORK OUT!!!

if anyone is taking over chanel womenswear it will be marc jacobs. he is dying for karl's job.

 

[softgrey]

oh- zamb- i love tisci at givenchy- don't get me wrong..
it's just not the 'givenchy' i know and loved from the old days...
(and i mean when hubert was still there)

it's very signature tisci if you know what i mean....

i was also surprised that dior home is only 10% of dior profits...
i just didn't realize how big they are with accessories and cosmetics etc...
never thought about it that way...
but i guess it didn't give slimane a lot of leverage...

this whole thing just really surprises me...


what the heck is hedi going to do now....?
maybe he'll become a photographer??

 

[zamb]

oh- zamb- i love tisci at givenchy- don't get me wrong..
it's just not the 'givenchy' i know and loved from the old days...
(and i mean when hubert was still there)

it's very signature tisci if you know what i mean....

i was also surprised that dior home is only 10% of dior profits...
i just didn't realize how big they are with accessories and cosmetics etc...
never thought about it that way...
but i guess it didn't give slimane a lot of leverage...

this whole thing just really surprises me...


what the heck is hedi going to do now....?
maybe he'll become a photographer??

Well, Yea............
We all loved us some "Le Grande Hubert"
I loved him too, but at this point the bettina blouse customer no longer exist........ niether is the Customer McQueen and McDonald was catering to.
Interestingly, i loved more the pre-collections for Givenchy than the runway collections under Tisci's Direction.

Slimane will be fine, he seems to be a Theyskens kind of talend (those that the industry believe is too good, and Generates too much buzz to not be supported.)
also, it just may be that he finally has gotten an opportunity that he thinks is way better than this one, why he decides to walk away..........

my belief is they were more interested in keeping him than letting him go..................