Kimora Lee Simmons

[Kimkhuu]

Originally posted by Chachka@Sep 5 2004, 02:14 PM
Ok... ppl... first you say that she's not a designer, now you say that she is a bad one...

And there's no need to bash me for my opinions, is there?

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We're bashing KIMORA not you!!!

 

[slinky_vagabond]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Sep 5 2004, 02:22 PM
First let's deal with the woman herself - she's a nasty piece of work who treats people like sh*t from the sounds of it. Being deliberately pictured with servants shows well her aspirations to 'aristocracy' and also her support for an exploitative system. Her house is in apalling bad taste and no European aristocrat (which is clearly what she aspires to) would touch it with a 6 foot bargepole. Her chosen husband, Russell, is complete scum - he's an exploitative mysoginistic moron who would do the world a service by taking an axe to his own neck.

The clothes are not fashion. Kimora does not design the clothes herself. The clothes are made by a team of designers who rip-off whatever is trendy at the moment. The intellectual content of the designs is about zero. Whatever their dubious aesthetic merits the clothes aren't fashion.

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Go Prince!

I dump on Kimora for the same reason I dump on conservative radio talkshow hosts- I hate people who don't know what they're talking about. She's a new-money trophy wife bimbo who prattles on and on about the creativity and style she doesn't have.

 

[Spike413]

Originally posted by Chachka@Sep 5 2004, 01:37 PM
/\ how classy you are, though... Yet, you think that you're knowledgable and can judge about fashion.
Are you jealous that she's been modelling since she was a child? How did she cross your path?
Allthough, you can b*tch and be miserable if you want... this discussion is going nowhere.

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Sweetie, that's the difference between Kimora and myself, I'm not trying to be something I'm not. I don't claim to be classy, I leave that for others to decide. Yes, I do think I'm knowledgable, I possess a decent amount of knowledge about fashion and I feel that I'm able to use that knowledge to forge my own opinion about Kimora.

As far as being jealous, no, I'm hardly jealous of Kimora for two reasons. One, I don't find her particularly pretty, Karl Lagerfeld did, that doesn't mean the rest of the world agreed with him about her beauty. And two, I want to make it on my own in whatever venture I choose to take in my future, not depend on my rich rap-mogul husband and ex-muse status to get me there.

I have no ill feelings towards you for feeling how you do. I'm simply offering my perspective on Kimora. As clothes, I don't mind it, it's not necessarily my taste, but if you want to wear it, fine. As fashion, I despise it because I have high standards when it comes to talent, if not for the design itself, then for something else in the creative process.

Now, that is all I have to say about Kimora because I don't like her and I'm sick of hearing about her.

 

[bohemian rhapsody]

Originally posted by slinky_vagabond@Sep 5 2004, 02:03 PM
Go Prince!

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Amen!

I cannot STAND Kimora! Blech!

 

[Chachka]

/\ Spike413, if only you said that from the beginning!
My respect!

 

[Chachka]

I do wonder though, what fashionistas like you would think of me, if you saw me in my BP tracksuit...
too bad it's the only track suit that fits me great...
But fortunately, I don't use my clothes for political or whatever statements, so don't read to much into it...

And yes, I've also wondered, why the heck does she need servants in her ads... So lame!
And even the wording on her website... She makes it sound like it's a privilege to wear BP... and it's not that exepensive... She's very poorly bred...
And when you brouse her website, her evil eyes are on the border of the screen which makes it a kinda weird experience...
And with regards to the very name, what does it actually mean? Baby Privilege?

 

[onehotgrrl]

I guess they would think you are a tasteless, tacky ('cause its used to describe everything unfashionable) urban clothes wearer.

Thats not my opinion though, I believe people should be able to wear what they please so long as it makes them happy.

 

[Chachka]

Well... it's nice to be tacky every once in a while...

 

[Spike413]

I don't know why onehotgrrl seems to think that those of us who don't think of urban clothing lines as fashion would think that someone who wears the clothes is less then we are. I obviously can't speak for everybody else, but I don't judge peoples' class by what they wear..........that's just way too shallow for me.

 

[onehotgrrl]

Well then I stand corrected. For example- if you came across a woman who was wearing a Baby Phat ensemble, with a knock-off LV purse and Manolo Blahnik Oklahoma's (timbs)....would you agree that poster's on this forum would use the words 'tacky' 'tasteless' 'fashion victim' to describe said person?

Or do those words describe the CLOTHES but not the INDIVIDUAL?

 

[Luna]

I cannot make a "gross" face enough at the mere mention of her name.

 

[Spike413]

Originally posted by onehotgrrl@Sep 6 2004, 05:59 PM
Well then I stand corrected. For example- if you came across a woman who was wearing a Baby Phat ensemble, with a knock-off LV purse and Manolo Blahnik Oklahoma's (timbs)....would you agree that poster's on this forum would use the words 'tacky' 'tasteless' 'fashion victim' to describe said person?

Or do those words describe the CLOTHES but not the INDIVIDUAL?

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Lets put it this way, I wouldn't call it tacky because she's wearing baby phat, I'd call it if that's how I felt, regardless of the label. And tacky clothes are a reflection of the individual, so even if the person isn't a tacky person, their style could very well be.

 

[OCHANELO]

Originally posted by PrinceOfCats@Sep 5 2004, 03:22 PM
First let's deal with the woman herself - she's a nasty piece of work who treats people like sh*t from the sounds of it. Being deliberately pictured with servants shows well her aspirations to 'aristocracy' and also her support for an exploitative system. Her house is in apalling bad taste and no European aristocrat (which is clearly what she aspires to) would touch it with a 6 foot bargepole. Her chosen husband, Russell, is complete scum - he's an exploitative mysoginistic moron who would do the world a service by taking an axe to his own neck.

The clothes are not fashion. Kimora does not design the clothes herself. The clothes are made by a team of designers who rip-off whatever is trendy at the moment. The intellectual content of the designs is about zero. Whatever their dubious aesthetic merits the clothes aren't fashion.

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I second that

 

[Chachka]

Originally posted by Spike413@Sep 7 2004, 12:39 AM
Lets put it this way, I wouldn't call it tacky because she's wearing baby phat, I'd call it if that's how I felt, regardless of the label. And tacky clothes are a reflection of the individual, so even if the person isn't a tacky person, their style could very well be.

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person... clothes....
I really don't give a sh!t...
If we stopped buying clothes b/c we didn't like the person designing it, or a person somehow affiliated with it... Damn! We'd be naked!
I doubt that Kimora is all that bad... not worse than any other celebrity...

 

[Chachka]

And I just visited her website, and gotta agree with Karl, she's gorgeous!

 

[prixi]

Originally posted by Spike413@Sep 7 2004, 01:39 PM
Lets put it this way, I wouldn't call it tacky because she's wearing baby phat, I'd call it if that's how I felt, regardless of the label. And tacky clothes are a reflection of the individual, so even if the person isn't a tacky person, their style could very well be.

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You said it.

 

[MayaPapaya9]

is it just me or does there appear to be an unusual amount of bickering on tfs lately?

 

[PradaP]

oh.. great

Coty Reaches High With Kimora

By Julie Naughton and Pete Born

NEW YORK — After having defied conventional wisdom and resuscitated the moribund celebrity fragrance concept with hits by Jennifer Lopez and Celine Dion, Coty Inc. is now intent on acquiring a wilder edge with a hip-hop slant.

A license has been signed with the woman whom many regard as the first lady of hip-hop: Kimora Lee Simmons.

Simmons, who is president and creative director of Baby Phat, says she has ambitions of developing a multicategory beauty range with Coty. Executives, however, seem focused on developing a fragrance business, which will be marketed by Coty’s Lancaster division in department stores. First up will be a Baby Phat women’s fragrance, followed by a men’s scent under the Phat Farm name, a company established by Simmons’ husband, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons. Phat Farm and Baby Phat were acquired by Kellwood earlier this year. While Coty did not break out numbers, industry sources estimated that the first Baby Phat scent could do as much as $25 million to $30 million at retail in its first year on counter.

The long-awaited signing of the licensing deal confirms a report that appeared in WWD on July 9. In an exclusive interview earlier this week, Simmons said, “I’ve always wanted to do beauty, and Coty is a perfect partner.” Taking a break from preparing for her runway show, to be held Saturday night, she added, “We carefully looked around the industry for our special home — like Cinderella and the glass slipper. I think this is going to be a great partnership.”

Eric Thoreux, president of Coty Beauty Americas, who helped broker the agreement, agreed, calling the deal “an important license from a Coty standpoint.”

“Hip-hop is one of the major highways of communication of the 21st century; it has become a mainstream voice,” said Thoreux. “We’re proud to have Kimora bring her expert vision to this lifestyle collection.” He added that Coty is behind the license “for the long-term. We don’t just do quick in-and-out fragrances — we build lifestyle pillars for the future, and we think this one will be a very important pillar for us going forward.” It will, at least at first, be marketed chiefly in North America, Thoreux said.

Added Tracy Young, senior marketing director for Coty Beauty in the U.S.: “We think it will be a winner — with an urban mind-set that reaches from the streets of New York City to the Mall of America [in Bloomington, Minn.].”

Simmons, who clearly does not lack for ambition — or publicity, given her recent widely reported brush with the law — said she eventually would like to do color cosmetics, skin care and perhaps hair care, in addition to a portfolio of fragrances.

She is no stranger to the beauty category. A former model who was discovered at age 13 by Karl Lagerfeld, Simmons said that her desire to create a beauty line came from having a multiethnic heritage — African-American, Asian and Indian — in a world that was “either black or white.”

Her ancestry gave her an exotic look, but made finding things such as foundation a challenge. “Without knocking other brands, when I started in the business, there were not a lot of choices for ethnic beauty,” said Simmons. “You were either black or white; there was never really a place for girls like me.”

While she acknowledges that “there are more choices now than there were” in ethnic makeup, Simmons said that she is “looking forward to helping to bring more options to the marketplace.” She complimented fellow Lancaster licensor Jennifer Lopez with helping to break some ground in the ethnic arena. “Jennifer created a wonderful platform for other women like myself — and in turn, I think her platform was aided by the hip-hop/urban platform that Russell and I have helped to build,” said Simmons.

The designer said that she is excited about the opportunity to put her own sassy take into the products that are developed using her name. While her first scent is still in the “very early” stages, she professes a passion for “classic scents, but with a younger twist. And definitely feminine and sexy.”

Personal appearances are also in Simmons’ plans for her beauty brand. “How can you sell something to people if you don’t know them?” she asked, noting that she’s learned a great deal about her customers by getting out into the market and actually speaking with them. “I put myself and my family out there — I’m a working woman, I have a husband and kids. I think customers can relate to me as well as to my product.”

While a definite time frame for the Baby Phat scent launch has not been established, Bob Cankes, president of Lancaster North America, said that he’s “looking at fall of 2005.” Cankes added that he probably will distribute the scent in 1,700 to 1,800 doors. His initial thinking involves a three-pronged promotional attack — a significant amount of advertising, grassroots guerrilla marketing and “substantial” in-store support. He said the critical factor for the launch is also the biggest challenge facing department stores such as Macy’s and Filene’s: How to reach kids in the streets and get them to go into the mall. While the marketing plan has not even been broached, Cankes said the promotional tactics will probably be similar to those used to sell the JLo fragrances. One trick that Coty employed was to put Scent Seal samples in 1.5 million copies of one of Lopez’s CDs.

Thoreux added that TV advertising and national print advertising also are planned.

Although Coty declined to comment, industry sources speculated that the licensing deal is worth at least $2 million in royalty guarantees for the first five years of the pact. Coty tends to pay less up-front so it can invest heavily in building the brand.

Bob Skinner, president and chief operating officer of Kellwood, strongly praised the Coty deal, saying it will be a vital tool in “explaining the essence of the brand.”

When asked about international expansion, Coty’s Thoreux hinted that those possibilities hinge at least partly on how widely Kellwood distributes the fashion brands. Skinner said the brand has a sizable presence in Japan and the U.K. and less of a foothold in the rest of Europe. The company is primed for growth, however; Skinner added that the brand’s Phat Farm Diva sneakers, which hit counters a month ago, have “taken off” with an initial sell-through of 20 percent.

someone make her go away!!!

 

[Theory]

Correct and if you do decide to wear such a brand, you better stay off the beloved Fifth Avenue or the sacred Madison Ave where only real designs and talent are allowed....otherwise you are contributing to the destruction of fashion itself, the allure of the avenue and the invasion by the unfashionable.

Originally posted by onehotgrrl@Sep 6 2004, 12:03 AM
I guess they would think you are a tasteless, tacky ('cause its used to describe everything unfashionable) urban clothes wearer.

Thats not my opinion though, I believe people should be able to wear what they please so long as it makes them happy.

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[Love4Armani]

ive seen some of her clothes, and i must say, why do people give massive and free advertising for her. i mean, she charges "mad" money for her clothes (like jLo) and then she makes you advertise for her, for FREE.