Madonna scolds America

[VainJane]

wth? Bush has Never said anything about being in favor of a draft. (In fact he said he would never inforce it) And most people in America are against it. Not to say they don't exist--but I don't know a single person who is for it. And people who were against gay marriage and against abortion were there before Bush came along, and will be there after. I'm not a big Bush fan, but he's not evil.


The reason I don't think Madonna should've said what she said is the WAY SHE SAID IT. She says America needs to step up and get a female Pres. Uh huh--well if Madonna were voting here--right now--and had the choice between voting for a male democrat and a female republican, she'd pick the male. So she should've said--America it's time to elect a female democrat. because that's what she means.

VERY well said I agree with everything you wrote.

I don't think that it's so much that Americans don't want to elect a female president, it's just that we haven't had any GOOD female candidates step up to the plate.

Sidenote: I'd choose Bush over that nut-job H.Clinton ANY day

 

[Zen]

VERY well said I agree with everything you wrote.

I don't think that it's so much that Americans don't want to elect a female president, it's just that we haven't had any GOOD female candidates step up to the plate.

Sidenote: I'd choose Bush over that nut-job H.Clinton ANY day

<--I'd choose "nut-job Hilery Clinton" ANY DAY then any fascist republican!!

 

[Zen]

Excellent point about how the discussion should extend to non-whites.

But the Bush admin has exposed or created a whole massive group of backwards voters who are in favour of banning abortion, introducing the draft, banning homosexuals from getting married, creating policies based on religious faith....It's in danger of heading towards a discreet theocracy.

Considering that I wonder if America is ready for something as 'radical' as a woman or non-white President.

I know what you mean about backward voters. Things people have faught for in history, voted for in history, seem like they are reversing......The religeous up-rooting and it's influence in this country's government is scary as well....

 

[cocomonkey4]

What? How are the terms 'democracy' and 'republic' in any way mutually exclusive, that's entirely illogical.

There is a world of difference between a democracy and republic. If you believe a republic and a democracy are actually the same thing, then no wonder you can't understand my comments.

 

[CelineChic]

When I think about it, in her 20 years of fame, Madonna has never been known to make enlightening or interesting points. I think what she is trying to do here is show that she can make interesting points but all she really did was state something that is obvious and has probably been thought by several people in the world.

I don’t even think her comment is even worth discussing. IMO

 

[PrinceOfCats]

There is a world of difference between a democracy and republic. If you believe a republic and a democracy are actually the same thing, then no wonder you can't understand my comments.

Let's not get offensive here, but if you are unable to understand the difference between the expression ' not mutually exclusive' and 'the same' then it's hardly likely that you're able to define 'democracy' and 'republic'.

Republic - state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than monarch. 'Res publicus' - concern of the people.

Democracy - a form of government in which the people have a voice in the excercise of power, typically through elected representatives.

I do not lack the ability to understand your comments, they lack the ability to be understood.

I don’t even think her comment is even worth discussing. IMO

Word. Certainly not in this detail...

 

[Boluda]

When I think about it, in her 20 years of fame, Madonna has never been known to make enlightening or interesting points. I think what she is trying to do here is show that she can make interesting points but all she really did was state something that is obvious and has probably been thought by several people in the world.

I don’t even think her comment is even worth discussing. IMO

exactly my point.

madonna tries too hard act as agent ProvocatEUR.

but, at the end, she just states the obvious (eg. bush is an idiot, going to war was a bad idea, etc..).

about women leaders, i can name the countries with current female leaders with my right hookhand. very few countries are "ready" to have women in top positions. in that respect, the US is doing no better or worse than the others.

michelle bachelet in chile was the first elected leader EVER. this was not business as usual. sure, it may seem ironic that a south american country-just emerging form a 20 year dictatorship - gets a female leader BEFORE the US (and canada, france, italy,etc), still.....i dont even think madonna was referring to that (for some reason, i highly doubt she follows world politics).

 

[Harumi]

There is a world of difference between a democracy and republic. If you believe a republic and a democracy are actually the same thing, then no wonder you can't understand my comments.

Your arrogance is astounding. Open a dictionary or an encyclopedia and read the definition of Republic. Then, you can come here and enlighten us with your superior mind.

 

[nanker_phledge]

about women leaders, i can name the countries with current female leaders with my right hookhand. very few countries are "ready" to have women in top positions. in that respect, the US is doing no better or worse than the others.

michelle bachelet in chile was the first elected leader EVER. this was not business as usual. sure, it may seem ironic that a south american country-just emerging form a 20 year dictatorship - gets a female leader BEFORE the US (and canada, france, italy,etc), still.....i dont even think madonna was referring to that (for some reason, i highly doubt she follows world politics).

I don't know if you're actually referring to my post , so I guess I'll just repeat myself.


Madonna was probably referring to female leaders that have been elected and have marked the recent history (in the past 30 y until now) in Argentina , Bolivia, Iceland , the Philippines, Nicaragua , Ireland , Burundi, Sri Lanka , Guyana , Finland , Liberia, Indonesia, Latvia , Panama before. I highly doubt she was referring to empresses or queens from the dark ages , as it is known that there have been female elected leaders in the past (in a recent one at that).

 

[NOE]

Finland has a female President ... let's thank Conan O'Brian for reminding us of that

 

[CelineChic]

michelle bachelet in chile was the first elected leader EVER. this was not business as usual. sure, it may seem ironic that a south american country-just emerging form a 20 year dictatorship - gets a female leader BEFORE the US (and canada, france, italy,etc),

Kim Campbell was Canada's first female Prime Minister. Knock us off that list!

 

[CelineChic]

And I don't care if she was only there for 6 months. She was still prime minister. Counts for something.

 

[Asti]

Oprah for Prez!

 

[tastes_like_chic]

Why is Hilary Clinton a nut job?

 

[iblaine]

America is not a republic or a democracy but a constitutional republic. States are their own republic, the constitution defines our 3 bodies of government and elected officials rule over us citizens...or at least this is my personal understanding not haven taken a history class in many years so feel free to debate it. What is true is Madonna is a better artist than she is a political advisor.

 

[CelineChic]

Why is Hilary Clinton a nut job?

I like her. I think she would have a good chance as president. She is very politically savvy and her husband is still a very popular man (despite is philandering)

 

[roppal222]

Why is Hilary Clinton a nut job?

I wanna know the answer to that too....

the case against Bush being a nutjob is a lot more stronger than it is against her....

But then I don't think it's him necessarily running the US anyway...if that man had two bain-cells, he'd be even more dangerous *shudder*

Coming back to Madonna, I agree she did state the obvious, but I suppose it was just a case of waking people up on the subject although I still maintain for me, it's who's making the comment.

I can't stand Madonna, she's a hypocritical bitter old tart but her point was valid.

 

[roppal222]

wth? Bush has Never said anything about being in favor of a draft. (In fact he said he would never inforce it) And most people in America are against it. Not to say they don't exist--but I don't know a single person who is for it. And people who were against gay marriage and against abortion were there before Bush came along, and will be there after. I'm not a big Bush fan, but he's not evil.

He may not have verbally said anything about it, but please don't be fooled. Bush may reinstate the draft quite easily. This is supported not only by his "stop-loss" orders extending soldiers' duties in Iraq and the acknowledgement that there is a shortage of soldiers for a prolonged war, which seems to be what's in order with Bush at the helm, but also by actions of the Selective Service System whose directors and members serve under the direction of his administration.

Go to this link http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/164693_draft13.html

I can't believe people are still so niave to take Bush's word for everything and not read between the lines. His neo con administration has a plan and have done so for a long time, which they will acheive one way or the other.

And yes, it's true people who hate gays and pro abortion were always around unfortunately....but Bush's presence and religious rantings have just given those individuals more confidence and poplularised their opinions. To me that's not a good thing at all.

You can't boast to the world you're a champion of freedom yet deprive people of rights at home.

 

[lata]

I read somewhere that Oprah might be setting her sights on the White House. How would Americans feel about having Oprah as a President? If anything, you would get a lot of free stuff, lol.

Personally I wouldn't vote for a woman to be President simply by virtue of her being a woman. In South Africa close to 50% of Cabinet Ministers are women; we even have a female Deputy President. However, in my opinion, this has not advanced the issues of women in general. Women, especially Black women, are still the poorest of the poor and still face discrimination in all sectors of our society. A perfect example of this is being played out in our courts right now. Our former Deputy President (male) has been accused of r*pe by a family friend - he says it was consensual sex. The woman is being treated like the guilty one. The accused's supporters (this includes women) hold protest actions outside the court everyday and they even burnt the picture of the accuser and called her unprintable names. The women in power (I am beginning to wonder if they have power or are just faces) have largely kept mum about this issue. I am not expecting them to condemn the former Deputy President - the principle of innocent until proven guilty applies. But surely this is a good opportunity for them to condemn acts of abuse and violence against women, especially in a country that has a high rate of these. Surely their voices would make a difference to the plight of women? A woman who would make such a difference would definitely have my vote.

 

[Anastasia]

I'd vote for Ryan Seacrest for president before I would Oprah. He seems much more kind hearted and less full of himself. I used to love Oprah but in recent years EVERYTHING IS ABOUT HER. She used to let her guests talk and would ask insightful questions, and empathize with them in a genuine way, because you knew where she was coming from. Now she constantly turns everything around to hammering you over the head again and again and again about her own personal experiences and interrupts every fifth word. And if someone disagrees with her, woe to them. And where she used to be saavy, she's now just! so! surprised! about everything! Either she's given up on research all together, including reading the morning paper, or she's acting ignorant because she thinks her audience likes it. It mystfies me Her presidency would be a televised showcase for how wonderful she is. Think Alo Presidente times 2.

So no, no Oprah for me, thanks.