Most Overpriced Designer?

This is very expensive, but each patch has been has embroidered and hand painted.

The price of fashion isn't always about exploited labour, its about craft and artistry that goes into the garment, as well as the base fabrications being more expensive, bespoke fastenings, time and effort the teams have put in sourcing etc etc. That is the reason the Row is so expensive, as you're paying for the fabrications and the amazing mills they work with.

Granted, I won't be buying the Margiela jumper and they're won't have been many produced so its a rare piece, same with a lot of Margiela's artisanal pieces. There has been care and artists put into all the patches, same with the metal workers hand moulding the gold metal plate in the Loewe dress, the pattern cutters who integrated it into the dress and product developers who found a way to merge the two extremes in fabrication.

You have to look between the price and the product and see the effort put in. A Chanel denim bucket has is ludicrous for £900, with zero effort, mass production and mindless design, this isn't WORTH £900.
I know what you're saying between the price and the effort and I definitely pay for stuff I don't need based on my thoughts of artistic value like I believe in Galliano, Ghesquiere, Rick Owens etc. lol but I still think somebody at Margiela is becoming really full of sh*t. When they used to show they'd talk about how their ethos involves this new transparency and fair trade and sustainability, but how does that resonate with a $6000 profit margin? Where does that go? I can't say I know but I don't think it's to the people that made the jumper. Wouldn't that be included in the wholesale price ? which the company already makes a profit on? Idg how that has anything to do with what they're touting. They spend virtually nothing on marketing besides their shows (that they don't even have anymore) and their strategy of justifying a high price based on an invented scarcity i.e. "this piece is gonna be iconic", "this piece is a collectors item" means you're paying for what? The cult leader's fancy lunch? Telling people what "will be" a collectors item is so gross like they're some stupid grailed.com user. Galliano wants to have his cake and eat it too. It's manipulative and I don't even think it's working lol. Just say you wanna be Chanel 2.0 and I'd respect that more than saying it's some iykyk club for free spirit trust fund kids. And also I know markups have been existed forever in this market but it just seems to be getting more and more stupid and worthless when you realize it's an arbitrary price for a CEO's pocket and not the people making the clothes
 
I think it deserves its price, it i a beautiful simple piece and the hand embroidered is precious and delicated it imitates the watercolor...you have to pay very good to those artist who made this precioous thing.

Realmente solo necesito dejarlo ir jajaja, pero aquí hay otro ejemplo de un truco para aumentar el estado. Un suéter MM que se promociona como "demi-couture" o artesanal en este caso, supongo.

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Si esto es privilegiado, lo siento, no lo siento, demándame idc jajaja, el precio mayorista de esto en los EE. UU. fue de $ 3996. El precio de venta al público es de $ 9990 . Este suéter me desconcierta por varias razones. En primer lugar, la mayoría de la ropa de diseñador ya tiene un gran componente "hecho a mano", ya sea que se explote la mano de obra o no. Me pregunto cuándo se decide que el valor de "hacer a mano" de una persona suba o baje. ¿O el costo de la mano de obra permanece igual y el precio sube según las vibraciones del producto terminado? Supongo que todavía hay un margen de beneficio lo suficientemente grande con la venta al por mayor. Lo aceptaría más si lo vendieran a los clientes al precio de $ 4k. Un marcado como este es bastante asqueroso.

En segundo lugar, independientemente del marcado, porque ese concepto no es nada nuevo, me molesta que sea un hecho que nadie vaya a comprar esto. Simplemente está disponible como un truco de "mírame, vendemos artículos exclusivos de $ 10,000" para aumentar la conveniencia / lo que sea de sus cosas para obtener efectivo. Realmente solía tomar el koolaid de Galliano x MM, pero mirando hacia atrás y recordando el viejo Margiela, realmente extraño lo que solía ser. ¡Y ya ni siquiera puedo admirar el trabajo de Galliano desde lejos si quisiera porque todo lo que hace ahora es hacer películas estúpidas y desordenadas! [/ CITA]
 
Limited Edition - Paris high top trainers full destroyed.
Price: €495
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Not at all surprised that the crap boot has a hollow, plastic heel held together with glue… The even more hilarious revelation was that when contacted about such an expose, the marketing department gave these talented cobblers some typical trendy excuse about "sustainability and pro-environment" nonsense being the reason the heels are hollow plastic with a phoney textured sticker to sucker the buyer into believing that it’s a stacked heel. (Stacked heel isn't anything luxurious-- just the standard, once.)

I take all my boots to my cobbler to have the heels redone the classic artisanal way. And I take older designer pieces bought through resales to my tailor to have them redesigned to my specifications and refitted with genuine luxury hardware exactly the way I want. There is absolutely nothing luxurious let alone artisanal about any of these high-profile corporate brands these days.

I was wondering now, does Celine use this too? ABS is what legos are made of lol. I emailed Celine to check and they just repeated the product description back at me. I want to KNOW
 
Look 60 of Chanel Pre-Fall 2020 feather jacket. Price is 96000 euro. The most expensive item from Viard ( please corret me if you have more info).

There are only 3 items which are more expensive than this: two from Hamburg collection (one dress for 98800 euro and one jacket for 125520 euro) and one from Egypt collection( dress for 98950 euro).

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Chanel is back again one year later of the 5000 euros t-shirt in cruise 2022. This time with a 4,600 euros t-shirt.

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Look 7: T-shirt Embroidered ribbed stretch jerseyWhite, red, black & multicolored.
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Chanel is back again one year later of the 5000 euros t-shirt in cruise 2022. This time with a 4,600 euros t-shirt.
Source: chanel.com

The price is a little high, but Chanel is one of (if not the only?) Maisons that does their embroidery in France and on some occasions in Italy, so the price is kind of justified.

All the other Maisons like Dior and YSL do their embroidery in India (extremely low cost of labour) and then assemble the garments in Italy or France. It's a known fact. Dior even started showing videos of the Haute Couture embroidery being done in India, so that really just says it all....

At 00:26 is the Chanaka School of Craft / Atelier completing the Embroidery for the Haute Couture Autumn Winter 2022 Collection.


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The price is a little high, but Chanel is one of (if not the only?) Maisons that does their embroidery in France and on some occasions in Italy, so the price is kind of justified.

All the other Maisons like Dior and YSL do their embroidery in India (extremely low cost of labour) and then assemble the garments in Italy or France. It's a known fact. Dior even started showing videos of the Haute Couture embroidery being done in India, so that really just says it all....

At 00:26 is the Chanaka School of Craft / Atelier completing the Embroidery for the Haute Couture Autumn Winter 2022 Collection.


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Unless Chanel paid their artisans 80 euros per hour (which I highly doubt they do, let's be real) there is no way a t-shirt with some light embroideries (with no complicated technique ) cost this much.
Also, this t-shirt is in a cruise collection, the most commercial collection, so they will produce it in high quantities to distribute to their store around the world. I'm not surprised if the production cost of this t-shirt is around 1500 euros or less.
I would love for the atelier to be fairly paid for their hard work, but let's not pretend like they got any extra cut from the markup Chanel profits.

I'm showing my age, but I remembered the time when with 5000 euros you can buy an exquisite tweed jacket from Karl. Now you can only buy a mediocre t-shirt from Virginie since all of their tweed jackets are now starting at 8000 euros.
 
I agree there is no way than more than 4 to 500€ in cost in that t-shirt. Even 100% embroidered in Paris. The rest is pure mark-up, I think now the price tag are set at 10 or 12x the production cost. A complete RTW Chanel look (clothes, shoes, bags and accessories) used to be marketed at around 7 or 8 k€ for basic daywear (with knitwear) or around 10 with a tweed jacket. Now it's around 12 k€ the same knitwear look (including shoes and bags) and 15 to 18 k€ for more sophisticated RTW full looks.
 
For the price of that tshirt you can buy a classic simple gold and diamond Camélia necklace or a pair of classic gold and diamond Camélia earrings.
It’s almost insane to think that the most expensive piece I bought from Chanel, which is tweed down jackets from Metiers D’Arts is almost 2k away from a t-shirt.

The same for the jumpsuit. I know there’s inflation but when I think about the jumpsuits from the supermarket show and the prices of those of this collection…I wanna cry.

Of course there are still bags, shoes and some knitwear that are somehow reasonable in prices but neither the quality or the design justify the prices. And it’s insane to see that in the prism of the war they are doing with Hermes. Hermes RTW, while unappealing is more than reasonable compared to Chanel.
 
You should show us some pics of your jacket, Lola. It’s a down jacket, in tweed, from their Metier D’Arts show? My inner textile-designer would love to see it.
 
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For the price of that tshirt you can buy a classic simple gold and diamond Camélia necklace or a pair of classic gold and diamond Camélia earrings.
It’s almost insane to think that the most expensive piece I bought from Chanel, which is tweed down jackets from Metiers D’Arts is almost 2k away from a t-shirt.

The pricing model of Chanel is very strategic even though it may seem crazy to us. Besides the obvious fact that their entire existence is based on being the most prestige and most expensive French Maison (and so they have to constantly raise prices to outpace their competitors), the business strategy has moved in recent years towards scarcity and on trying to discourage their clientele from buying quantity, and instead invest in quality and more special/unique pieces. That is why they are pushing all the Metiers d'Art and embroidered pieces so much.

This whole strategy toward being uber-expensive and exclusive is the way forward for Chanel. This is reflected in the investment and creation of those private boutiques for VIPS.

And besides this, obviously it all works, because there is no brand on the level of Chanel today in terms of exclusivity and prestige.
 
These two pieces are joined as the second most expensive ready-to-wear items on the Gucci online store at 12'000 euros.

This dress was look 56 in the Exquisite show:
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This dress was look 84 (closing look) in the Exquisite show:
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The red "corset" is sold separately.

For comparison, here's the most expensive item (12'500 euros), the pants from look 42 in the Aria show:
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The third most expensive item (11'000 euros) is the shearling cape that opened the Cosmogonie show:
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If I could afford it, I'd happily pay full price for the feather pants and shearling cape, but the prices on Adidas pieces don't make any sense to me. Normally ×Gucci collabs are supposed to edge on the cheaper side. Also, can we question why pieces from 2021 are still in stores at full price?!

All pictures are taken from the Gucci online store.
 
The pricing model of Chanel is very strategic even though it may seem crazy to us. Besides the obvious fact that their entire existence is based on being the most prestige and most expensive French Maison (and so they have to constantly raise prices to outpace their competitors), the business strategy has moved in recent years towards scarcity and on trying to discourage their clientele from buying quantity, and instead invest in quality and more special/unique pieces. That is why they are pushing all the Metiers d'Art and embroidered pieces so much.

This whole strategy toward being uber-expensive and exclusive is the way forward for Chanel. This is reflected in the investment and creation of those private boutiques for VIPS.

And besides this, obviously it all works, because there is no brand on the level of Chanel today in terms of exclusivity and prestige.
I get the strategy but in a way it’s really a pity. I was talking to someone recently about the fact that the kind of profile of clients similar to mines wouldn’t exist today. I started buying Chanel in like 2004/2005. I started with shoes and then quickly jumped into RTW. I remember I saved to buy a piece a season and I bought things on sales. Of course working in fashion helped me but it was possible to raise your profile by being a loyal customer in the right store. That’s how I went from sneaking into shows to be invited. Today to have the same sort of privileges or extras, you literally have to spend like 1M a year.
I prefer buying full retail price on independent designers but in general, I buy on sales. Nowadays more than ever pre-orders have taken a big place in the way that is quite impressive. I don’t mind splurging on Nicolas Ghesquiere but it’s even impossible to splurge on Chanel.

But what you are saying about quantity is interesting because the richest buys in quantity as the profile of the customer has changed. There are people who buys those tshirts, there are people who buys 3000€ leggings with logos on them.

I have personally gave up on Chanel RTW. Of course there are classic jackets in the stores that are priced more reasonably but I can get them at the great vintage places at the fraction of the prices. I will see the prices of the pants Virginie did for the Dakar collection but I’m already afraid.

But I’m curious to see what those VIP stores might look like. Even more I’m curious if it will mean something in terms of their offering on RTW.

You should show us some pics of your jacket, Lola. It’s a down jacket, in tweed, from their Metier D’Arts show? My inner textile-designer would love to see it.
I live in a warmer climate now so it’s sitting in my closet in France. But it’s from the Ritz collection, it has an Eiffel Tower embroidery on the show but I bought the version without it. I was sold by the honeycomb design of the textile that was like knitwear weaved like tweed…
Very special. And for me that’s the point of buying HF at those prices. And that’s even the point of buying HF. That’s why I really had a hard time with the approach of current fashion of selling expensive version of everyday clothes. When I buy a tshirt or a shirt I need to be aware that I can wash it in my machine. If even tshirts and shirts needs to be dry cleaned, we have a problem.
 
I live in a warmer climate now so it’s sitting in my closet in France. But it’s from the Ritz collection, it has an Eiffel Tower embroidery on the show but I bought the version without it. I was sold by the honeycomb design of the textile that was like knitwear weaved like tweed…
Very special. And for me that’s the point of buying HF at those prices. And that’s even the point of buying HF. That’s why I really had a hard time with the approach of current fashion of selling expensive version of everyday clothes. When I buy a tshirt or a shirt I need to be aware that I can wash it in my machine. If even tshirts and shirts needs to be dry cleaned, we have a problem.


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this one right?

I'm happy to pay for the price they asked because of the technology and innovation they put into the garment. And we both know that between a basic t-shirt with some embroideries and a tweed down jacket with a dedicated weaving motif, which one will advertise the house technique best, certainly not the t-shirt.

It's crazy how the thing has changed for the worse in terms of pricing in just 5 years. I guessed because Chanel used to sell fashion now they're selling luxury.

And it's funny we talk about quality over quantity, because the quality of designs, textiles innovation, and pushing the savoir-faire techniques has gone down since Karl's death, only the prices go up.

I have no problem with the prices they asked for Karl's pieces, but when it comes to Virginie, thanks but no thanks.
 

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