New Yorker story on Hedi Slimane and Designer Rivalries

[Ianastar]

I caught bits of that article from www.fashionweekdaily.com

Thanks for posting it in it's entirety.

 

[Deleted member 7575]

media wh*re is a common phrase used often and loosely...
neither extreme nor conservative...
just average...

hmm...
in fact...
being in the 'world of fashion' often means that the regular rules do not apply..
(especially for someone like hedi)-he keeps a driver on call dressed in dior homme....!!
it doesn't compare to the world that most of us live in..
and whereas you would never get away with trawling for teenage boys in the 'real world'...
in the fashion world 'it's just business'...

pretty gross stuff...and they even have a nickname for it......
**but it is what it is....no matter what you call it..
i could tell you stories...but i'd really rather not think about it too much...
...

**they didn't even PAY for the after party..!!!...
LVMH doesn't have enough money to buy the boys some drinks...???...
kinda weird...no?...


...

well actually being 20 I think it's quite alright for me to trawl around with teenage boys. Hedi's agenda with the teenage boys, as creepy as it is, is fully explained and you know I've seen worse in real life amongst normal people. Or maybe you know something I don't? Let's hope not, but I suppose as long as it is consensual. It's not until a lawsuit comes along or criminal charges pop up that this sort of thing is frowned upon.

 

[mass]

great article. i think the baby food thing is a lot weirder than the 'boy hunting'. the part about the wetsuit was especially funny though.

he seems like such a tim burton character.

 

[softgrey]

mutterlein...

trawling...
means to drag a net behind you trying to catch something in it...
it is a fishing term...
i don't think that is what you are doing or what you mean mutterlein...
and i don't think it compares to a man in his late thirties going on 'boy safari' for teenage boys...

and i don't think any of us have to be TOLD when to frown on something..
just because someone gets away with something...
doesn't make it ok...
i think we all know the difference between right and wrong..
regardless...

but if you want to believe it is pure and innocent...
go right ahead...


btw- i have a bridge you might be interested in buying...
......

 

[Deleted member 7575]

mutterlein...

trawling...
means to drag a net behind you trying to catch something in it...
it is a fishing term...
i don't think that is what you are doing or what you mean mutterlein...
and i don't think it compares to a man in his late thirties going on 'boy safari' for teenage boys...

and i don't think any of us have to be TOLD when to frown on something..
just because someone gets away with something...
doesn't make it ok...
i think we all know the difference between right and wrong..
regardless...

but if you want to believe it is pure and innocent...
go right ahead...


btw- i have a bridge you might be interested in buying...
......

I was using a bit of humour regarding my relations with teenage boys

I wasn't saying that you are being told when to frown on something. I don't think I made any reference to you. I was agreeing with you actually on how these type of things aren't publicly frowned on, like in the media. It isn't until something legal comes up that people then try to distance themselves. People are still kissing the ground he walks on and are well aware of his boy safaris.

And you know, I really don't know. I don't like to assume anymore than the next guy and his behavior isn't THAT suspicious. It's not like his is sleeping the same bed with 12 year olds. Let me put it this way, so far there is no proof but I wouldn't find it inappropriate if the government decided to do some snooping. I would find it inappropriate however to flat out accuse him of something we really don't know anything about.

 

[metal-on-metal]

tric...
i completely agree with your assesment of hedi vs raf...
masterful tailoring vs slvls hoodies...or 80's surfer...

I think that's a little unfair because a) it's reducing tricotin's argument to an extreme point and b) Raf never has been and never will be just about "sleeveless hoodies". Raf's tailoring is masterful and it has been from the beginning. And now that he has diffused the hoodies and the sweats and the t-shirts into the secondary line, his core collection will be able to grow and mature even more. Raf is capable of beautiful, intensely tailored showpieces, and he reminds us of this each and every season. I don't think you're paying attention if all you see in Raf is sleeveless hoodies.

 

[Fade to Black]

Another comment adding on the Raf vs. Hedi discussion...Raf mentioned in his Details interview how Hedi's been backed with a huge corporation such as LVMH while for most of Raf's career he funded his work with donations from family and friends...based on that knowledge I think it's incredible some of the stuff Raf has come up with...however it could also provide the point of view that without the huge congolmerate behind him Raf did not have to sacrifice his integrity and churn out mindless commercial clothes that is part of (note I am only saying part of, i realize this doesn't define the whole brand) Dior's repertoire these days.

 

[The Leviathan]

i'm a huge dior homme fan but baby food? yuck.

 

[softgrey]

I think that's a little unfair because a) it's reducing tricotin's argument to an extreme point and b) Raf never has been and never will be just about "sleeveless hoodies". Raf's tailoring is masterful and it has been from the beginning. And now that he has diffused the hoodies and the sweats and the t-shirts into the secondary line, his core collection will be able to grow and mature even more. Raf is capable of beautiful, intensely tailored showpieces, and he reminds us of this each and every season. I don't think you're paying attention if all you see in Raf is sleeveless hoodies.

i was merely commenting on a specific part of tric's post...

what i have seen in person by raf has been mostly at barney's...
i do like the long coat that buckwheat posted in what are you wearing...
and there was a simple narrow blzr this season that was very sharp...
and i am just as turned off by the little RAF embroidered on his shirts as i am by the BEE on dior homme...
i find much of his work somewhat 'gimmick-y' i guess...
and often derivative...

maybe raf was once something special...
and maybe he will be again...
but i haven't really seen it with my own two eyes...

...

but we are kind of off topic here...
maybe someone should start a raf vs hedi thread if there is enough interest in the topic?....

 

[zamb]

heaven help us all..............

 

[birdofparadise]

Maybe you have to get a little formalist about fashion...the less you know about the designer's personal life or how they develop the work or how they diet, the better.

 

[bearbrick]

go west .....life is peaceful there.....

Hedi seems like such a fussy, unhappy grump--a very unpleasant man. His obsession with 19-year-old English boys borders on lechery and comes close to making my skin crawl. I find his aesthetic and his obsession with building a "world" to be very unmodern and quite sad. He sounds like a sad person.

hear hear.......my sentiments exactly metalB) ...in fact i had posted some comments in TFS some time ago ....cant remember which thread though.

alas he has ventured to aussie shores in search of those poor surfer dudes with his blatant bruce weber rip off style in ...."photography" and contimues to bore us with ...furniture...!!....another proof of his delusion that he is some kinda svengali of design , style and trend .

he is just an indulgent , untalented kid who has been given too much of everything ..[ i wonder why ?? ]......hedi , enough alreeady .

 

[faust]

I think that's a little unfair because a) it's reducing tricotin's argument to an extreme point and b) Raf never has been and never will be just about "sleeveless hoodies". Raf's tailoring is masterful and it has been from the beginning. And now that he has diffused the hoodies and the sweats and the t-shirts into the secondary line, his core collection will be able to grow and mature even more. Raf is capable of beautiful, intensely tailored showpieces, and he reminds us of this each and every season. I don't think you're paying attention if all you see in Raf is sleeveless hoodies.

Absolutely. Raf's masterful cutting skills is what made Linda Loppa notice him. That is his talent. He is the one who made a slim cut suit a STAPLE. To say that he is all about the hoodies is absolutely ignorant (especially a few weeks after his fantastic show that was dominated by tailoring, just like his shows from late 90's), moreover in comparison with Hedi, who has been making streetwear for the past four seasons. Walk into Barneys today and count how many Dior Homme suits you see...

 

[Pastry]

he seems like such a tim burton character.

i was thinking edward scissorhands the entire time...you know how sometimes after reading or watching or hearing smth, you feel like a cup of tea, or chocolate, or a pickle?

i need an antidepressant.

 

[ThisHollywoodLfe]

"go west .....life is peaceful there....."

ha, and good article, my favorite part of the article was actually when he talked about hanging out with neil tennent and chris lowe in Venice, I never knew they were friends (until this), I've heard them (PSB) mention Dior Homme but they drop a lot designer names, good stuff.

 

[Boomer]

And Karl Lagerfeld says he get his exercise by doing the tango with Hedi...yeah, now I get the picture...

Do you have any of those anti-depressants left...?! I think maybe I need a drink...!

 

[haruki]

Ha ha, I don't think he literally eats baby food. "Eating baby food" is just a polite way of saying you take laxatives to lose weight.

 

[lucy92]

Ha ha, I don't think he literally eats baby food. "Eating baby food" is just a polite way of saying you take laxatives to lose weight.

i've read in other places that baby food isnt something that he eats occasionally but rather ALL the time.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ Does this "baby food" make you look like an elf??

This certainly was an interesting article, and I've enjoyed the discussion of it even more I loved how the article presented all the facts while seeming to allow for the ~possibility~ that Slimane's year-round, 24/7 "model search" could just be fueled by professional zeal.

David Bowie can look great as we all know, but he was not having a good day when that album cover was shot ... I don't know about you guys, but my taste has changed since I was 6 years old ...

 

[nqth]

Me too, I didn't certainly like CdG when I was 6:-)))

I think I read about baby food first in an interview in the Guardian.