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Saint Laurent F/W 13.14 Paris

All I see here is a designer who does not love women, and does not have anything original to say, either for himself or the brand he is designing for. I'd like to say I am disappointed. I'm more disappointed for the industry that is losing another house with depth and something interesting to say to be replaced by this vacuous, ugly, unoriginal nonsense.
 
you do realize this was a runway show... you've got to look through the theatrics/styling and only then might you notice the gems hiding in plain sight... the outerwear, as always with hedi is the true star... the plaid shirts, the biker chick stockings.. that's just setting mood, it's not what buyers will rush for... i will concede you can easily get distracted by the shock value of certain looks, but a closer inspection reveals garments of a much more sensitive nature.. this is the smart game suzy is referring to at the end of her critique..
Garments that, in almost all cases, already exist in any number of variations at any number of price points.

I'm not commenting on whether or not they're good, but none of them are particularly thoughtful from a design standpoint, nor do they appear be exquisite enough to justify being rather straightforward and unexciting.

And not for anything, but for you to accuse every naysayer in here of drinking the Pilati kool-aid (for the record I liked a whole two of his collections) when you're clearly drunk on the Slimane stuff is kind of, well, silly.
 
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GERGIN you seem to contradict yourself... stating "what mother would let her daughter by any of those black leather/sheer dresses? " followed by "they are dull, not exclusive & boring clothes." which one is it are they dull/boring or shocking/inappropriate? or maybe both?

all i'm trying to say to those saying this collection/direction has no clientele is the actual clothing will be a lot more wearable/desirable once taken out of the runway context and applied to normal looking people.. it will be a hit just like decarnin's balmain, guesquieres balanciaga or hedi's own dior homme... those are the types of clients SLP is after..


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GERGIN you seem to contradict yourself... stating "what mother would let her daughter by any of those black leather/sheer dresses? " followed by "they are dull, not exclusive & boring clothes." which one is it are they dull/boring or shocking/inappropriate? or maybe both?

all i'm trying to say to those saying this collection/direction has no clientele is the actual clothing will be a lot more wearable/desirable once taken out of the runway context and applied to normal looking people.. it will be a hit just like decarnin's balmain, guesquieres balanciaga or hedi's own dior homme... those are the types of clients SLP is after..

I've come to believe even prostitudes can look dull :lol:
 
It's not even good styling. I don't get it.
Why are people defending Slimane? I liked Dior Homme but this doesn't even look cool.
 
I loved Pilati's collections (most of them anyway), genius though they were, they were a bad fit for the house. It was understood from day one that Slimane would be able to bring the hype and excitement that Pilati never could. What wasn't understood was that it come by way of marketing and showmanship rather than actual design prowess.

Yves has a legacy of being a leader in design, not merely marketing, this is where the new Saint Laurent falters. Essentially, Slimane didn't design anything, instead he reduced the house's voice to the same kind of mindless rag trade theft that mass market brands like Top Shop, and more appropriately in this case Forever 21, rely on: copying and snatching looks from pictures of millennial girls loafing around at Coachella. Perhaps there is s subversive twist in referencing something so mundane and ordinary: making inspiration out of the exact opposite of anything creative, but that would only be valid had he interpreted it and created something new for these girls. You could compare it to Balmain but you can at least credit Decarnin and even more so Rousteing with at least designing something that didn't exist before. Or at least they made an honest attempt at it.

What can be said when a designer takes tired clothes that already exist, re-fabricates them in luxury fabrics, shows them on a runway, and then charges high, luxury prices for them? Well, you could say it's a recipe that Marc Jacobs perfected years ago at Perry Ellis, that it's a part of modern fashion making. Except it's not. The electricity and excitement that Jacobs commanded with that Perry Ellis collection was due to the fact that he took those grunge looks and put them in a new context, beyond the show and beyond the expensive fabrics, he gave the whole grunge language and culture a new meaning. He also actually designed something, not everything was a direct copy, he interpreted the look and made something new with it.

But there is the allure of "cool" that Slimane is obsessed with and that PPR is banking on. But then again, how cool is this new Saint Laurent woman? And isn't an overt grunge reference like this, at this point in time, kind of naff? Dries van Noten had the sense to make his grunge homage about something more, something that could be pulled a part and still hold weight and communicate a new idea on dress. In the end, it wasn't even about Grunge but about relaxed soft dressing. Would anyone who is actually cool care about Slimane's new grunge spirit? Aren't all of these rock/fashion/it girls besides the point? Doesn't Slimane now their glamour is fleeting? In fact, I think it was long gone about 2-3 years ago. The claim is being made that these street looks are edgy, that they speak to Yves's own culturally transgressive spirit, but that is a claim made by those who are perhaps to eager to prove their own savviness, to prove they are in-the-know, but only prove they are far from it. Better to look to Kenzo and see how Leon and Lim have taken New York's potent and current energy and have broadcasted it as a universally appealing message, though I don't love their collections either.

There is nothing wrong with being a cool chaser, if you get it right it works and it can spur innovation across the whole industry (just look at what Slimane did with Dior Homme). But the real problem here is not that Slimane is a lazy designer (he is) or that his ego has gotten the better of him (it has), but that we find this man hopelessly chasing a fountain of youth that dried up about 3-6 years before he set his eyes on it. His romanticizing of LA, while cute, is forced and does not look towards the future, which is a problem because the rest of the world will move towards it even if he doesn't want. He has become the opposite of cool, he has become passe.

And now "passe" is just what Saint Laurent has become, that's the brand's message. We can justify this with good sales because there will always be enough shallow/rich people to buy overpriced, under designed clothes like this, but the real issue is the brand's integrity and stamina. How long can a luxury brand maintain its allure and appeal with this kind of message? What will happen to the brand when no one interesting or cool wants to be associated with it? What happens when wearing YSL marks you as an uneducated fashion victim with more money than taste or style?

Only time will tell.
 
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Garments that, in almost all cases, already exist in any number of variations at any number of price points.

I'm not commenting on whether or not they're good, but none of them are particularly thoughtful from a design standpoint, nor do they appear be exquisite enough to justify being rather straightforward and unexciting.

And not for anything, but for you to accuse every naysayer in here of drinking the Pilati kool-aid (for the record I liked a whole two of his collections) when you're clearly drunk on the Slimane stuff is kind of, well, silly.

Seriously, it is ridiculous, every criticism of Slimane equates to being a Pilati "lover" lol . I also have disliked a majority of Pilati's collections but compared to the trash Slimane is churning out, it was 20000 leagues better.
 
What to Make of Saint Laurent?

PARIS, France – What is one to make of Hedi Slimane’s latest showing for Saint Laurent? Many guests left the overtly California-grunge-inspired collection, shown at the Grand Palais, in a state that ranged from amused puzzlement to appalled disbelief.

One top international editor wondered if what she had just witnessed was an extravagantly produced prank. Others resorted to sarcasm. “Am I watching Saint Laurent or Topshop?” tweeted an LA Times editor, while the meme “All Saints Laurent” percolated on Facebook.

No matter how you slice it, the collective response to Slimane’s second effort for the storied label was overwhelmingly negative. Only a small number of followers were approving, including (unsurprisingly) invited celebrity guests Kirsten Dunst, Pixie Geldorf and Allison Mossheart, as well as Leandra Medine, aka The Man Repeller, who in a seemingly positive tweet exclaimed: “You’re doing it, Saint Laurent! (Insert resounding YES! here).”

After initial reactions tempered, however, what remained was a sense of confusion and what New York Times reporter Eric Wilson, in his review this morning, called “conflict,” speaking to the divisive nature of the collection. The general disappointment — which follows last season’s mixed reaction to the designer’s debut for Saint Laurent — is in direct measure to the great promise that was projected onto Slimane from the moment of his appointment. Many in the industry had great hopes for the designer, expecting a fresh vision that would revolutionise fashion as we know it, while reinterpreting the rich legacy of the maison (more akin to what Raf Simons is doing over at Dior). “Anyone expecting the frisson of the future that Slimane once provided would have to feel let down yet again,” wrote Tim Blanks in his review for Style.com.

With yesterday’s showing, the designer proved that he refuses to be influenced by such expectations. Hedi will be Hedi and if that means indulgent reiterations of his love affair with California and its rock’n’roll subculture, then that’s exactly what Saint Laurent will be about.

In Paris today, some went so far as to speculate whether Slimane’s latest collection was intended to elicit the reactions it has, not unlike Yves Saint Laurent’s controversial 1971 Nazi-inspired show, deemed a “a tour de force of bad taste” at the time, but now thought to have been a deliberate attempt by the complicated designer to provoke negative reactions.

But the more pertinent question seems to be, not whether what Slimane is doing is right for the house or why he is doing it, but where the house might be headed. At the most basic level, the collection seems evidence of yet another top luxury brand distancing itself from the kind of high-concept fashion that receives lavish editorial praise but performs middlingly in stores. Indeed, Wilson conceded that “there were many pieces that looked commercially lucrative,” while Blanks predicted “money in the bank for retailers.”

The looks on Slimane’s runway were unrepentantly geared at the very young. From a strategic point of view that hardly seems reprehensible. It also explains why the collection seemed to stray from the house’s heritage, given that the prospective customer may be too young to remember (or care) what the so-called ‘codes of the house’ are.

In the first review to post after the show, Reuters pointed out: “It was perfectly apparent that Slimane and Saint Laurent’s owner, luxury group PPR, are searching out younger clients, born too late to remember the many innovations of [the house’s] founder.” But if indeed the intent of the designer and his employers was for Saint Laurent to forge a connection with a younger generation, whose definition of what constitutes luxury is notably different to that of their parents, then it’s only logical to wonder how this ostensible target would be able to afford Slimane’s super-short babydoll dresses and pink fur coats, which will no doubt be firmly priced at the top end of the market.

One school of thinking says that once a designer is installed at a house, he dictates its identity, and not the other way around. New York Magazine’s “The Cut” blog certainly echoed that view in a post on Slimane’s opinion-splitting show. “With his second collection at Saint Laurent, the message was literally loud, clear, and confident: Anyone expecting something ‘more traditionally YSL’ can piss off. Hedi has firmly asserted himself at the house. He’s doing Hedi, and that’s okay. This is a lifestyle brand for musicians and those who want to hang out with them. It’s tough, but it’s luxury, down to those heavily embellished (and surely expensive) leather boots.”

businessoffashion.com
 
Kate Moss is already wearing it
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^that shot should be the camaign shot. Should be sufficiently anti. A bejeweled saggy *** should make headlines.
 
Hmm. Fantastic Man interviewed Pilati during his tenure at YSL for their Spring Summer 2006 issue:

Of course, there was the Hedi Slimane interregnum, but - much as Pilati loves what he does - Slimane's focus on youth made that direction untenable for him. "When you're young, you eat and you spit it out so nothing remains, and I didn't want to focus my energy on something like that. I wanted to focus it on someone who could feel it"
 
The rest of her outfit doesn't appear to be from the collection, guessing she couldn't find any non-ugly pieces..
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i think she's possibly wearing this underneath, having seen another clearer pic

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i don't think it could look 'cute' on anyway, and i'm afraid she's too old for it anyway.
 
clearly the emperor's new grunge isn't for the faint of heart or the anything-less-than-hard body ...
 
“All Saints Laurent”

:lol: it so is.

I don't know yet if I like that outfit on Kate.
 
This collection is really bad, and I'm really sorry but the people who deffend it don't know what good fashion is. This is the most disrespectful thing a designer can do to another designer brand (especialy Yves).

And as some critic said the only people who liked where Kirsten Dunst, Sky Ferreira and so on...soo........no.

Will PPR fire him?! They have reasons too, and they sure know what the reactions were, and what this iconic french house was before Slimane's troubled addicted to drugs rocker girl hell.

From now on when I see something horrible I will say:
"He's pulling a Saint Laurent" :lol:
 
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And by the way you just can't destroy or kill somebody work just because you don't want to follow the house history & codes.

It's a brand from another designer (who passed away or retired), soo you got to respect it's values, beliefs, and visio of muse/woman, when a designer decides to work in the name of another well known designer well... it's not your own brand, so don't go and murder a brand just for the sake of it, and to be outrageous and talked about in the social media.

You can destroy your own brand, not a brand that a designer likes Yves took decades to make it iconic and relevant not only in France but in the whole world.

People may like some pieces from the collection, that's no problem, but look at the title, it's not some urban brand, that's just around the corner, it's Yves Saint Laurent, come on....
 

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