Terry Richardson’s Work is Degrading to Women

[billabonggirl73]

Although im leaning to the side of believing these girls (im quite biased because i dont like his work,as other people have said on here,it's practically p*rn,and in my opinion belongs purely in mens magazines) , there is the old rule of innocent until proven guilty.

Im aware that many people dont report rapes and sexual assaults (for many different reasons), but at the end of the day if there is no action taken then unfortunately no-one can ever be sure of what has happened..

 

[GeniedeMelbourne]

Others have come out and said that they were coerced into doing sexual favours for him and as someone said before, it's an open secret that it actually does happen. Now I'm nott sure if you understand sexual harassment and sexual assault laws but regardless if someone complies, if they were coerced into doing sexual acts then that is a crime.

 

[Squizree]

And what that has do do with anything? Unless a crime is reported to the police, any accusation without any sort of proof may be considered libelous and land you in court.

Rie think his work is degrading to woman, she gave an opinion, she didn't accuse him of any sort crime, so i do not see why what she said became so twisted that according to this thread he may be abusing underage models, or harassing women to perform sex acts on him.

I don't know about other people, but when I address a subject like this, I throw the law out the window, because nowadays the law is rubbish.
Whether it's classified as a "crime" or not it's still wrong. If he wants to do p*rn he should go down to Playboy.

there is the old rule of innocent until proven guilty

Oh yes, because his work is just so innocent

 

[billabonggirl73]

I don't know about other people, but when I address a subject like this, I throw the law out the window, because nowadays the law is rubbish.
Whether it's classified as a "crime" or not it's still wrong. If he wants to do p*rn he should go down to Playboy.



Oh yes, because his work is just so innocent

You may not agree but that is the law. And absolutely nothing can be done about this unless someone formally makes a complaint.
Plus, now im not sure on this, but he could have the right to sue for defammation perhaps?

I only hope that girls that have experienced this type of behaviour by him, can now maybe have the courage to come forward, now that people are talking about it.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

Others have come out and said that they were coerced into doing sexual favours for him and as someone said before, it's an open secret that it actually does happen. Now I'm nott sure if you understand sexual harassment and sexual assault laws but regardless if someone complies, if they were coerced into doing sexual acts then that is a crime.

Did anyone report him to the Police? No. So as far as we know all this girls can be lying. Plus the only girl that gave her name did not accuse him of sexual harassment nor would i consider to have been sexually harassed in her situation. People cannot have sides here, he was never accused in court of any sort of crime, so he's as innocent as me and you.
You seem to have trouble understanding that accusing random people of crimes and not bothering to report them to the police, is in itself a crime.

Plus as long as none of those girls wants or can take him to court, no knowledge of the law is going to make him more or less guilty. It's amazing that in a culture as litigious as the american no one of this legions of abused women that now maybe grown out of the modeling dream, wants to report him. He's more powerful than the catholic church it seems.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

I don't know about other people, but when I address a subject like this, I throw the law out the window, because nowadays the law is rubbish.
Whether it's classified as a "crime" or not it's still wrong. If he wants to do p*rn he should go down to Playboy.

Well but Thank God you like everybody else has to obey rules.

 

[Squizree]

You may not agree but that is the law. And absolutely nothing can be done about this unless someone formally makes a complaint.
Plus, now im not sure on this, but he could have the right to sue for defammation perhaps?

I only hope that girls that have experienced this type of behaviour by him, can now maybe have the courage to come forward, now that people are talking about it.

This sooo proves my last point. HE'S the one who's photographing models naked touching his d!ck and HE'S the one suing. The law truly is rubbish.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

This sooo proves my last point. HE'S the one who's photographing models naked touching his d!ck and HE'S the one suing. The law truly is rubbish.

Just curious. Is there anything Illegal or objectionable about a naked model touching his dick for a photograph?

I think the pic you are referring it's actually a cardboard, but anyway there are loads of pics of him in his book being given a blow jobs, is that in any way or form illegal for you to say the law is wrong?
I actually think defamation is a very serious crime.

 

[Squizree]

^ Oh you have got to be kidding me. So you think the inappropriate photos (and PLEASE don't tell me you think they're "fine") he takes of girls are ok, but you're worried that his reputation might be harmed. What the hell?

 

[GeniedeMelbourne]

Did anyone report him to the Police? No. So as far as we know all this girls can be lying. Plus the only girl that gave her name did not accuse him of sexual harassment nor would i consider to have been sexually harassed in her situation.

That's your prerogative but under the definition of the law that can be classed as sexual harassment and sexual assault. However if someone choses not to make a report to the police and press charges. Some people are either disillusioned with what they perceive as ineffectiveness with the law and some just don't want to deal with the process, however it doesn't negate the crime that occured to them.

You seem to have trouble understanding that accusing random people of crimes and not bothering to report them to the police, is in itself a crime.

What crime would that be, exactly?

People cannot have sides here, he was never accused in court of any sort of crime, so he's as innocent as me and you.

Plus as long as none of those girls wants or can take him to court, no knowledge of the law is going to make him more or less guilty.

So what argument are you making exactly as you are implying that he is guilty but it doesn't matter because he's not being taken to court for it, and since he hasn't he's completely innocent?

If some one does report it to the police, I think a case can be made (assistants take pictures of the shoot as they occur so it's possible for visual evidence to be found). However even if someone doesn't there's plenty of talk that I'm inclined to believe and I'm perfectly entitled to think he's a c-word for the way that I believe he treats models.

 

[billabonggirl73]

Just curious. Is there anything Illegal or objectionable about a naked model touching his dick for a photograph?

I think the pic you are referring it's actually a cardboard, but anyway there are loads of pics of him in his book being given a blow jobs, is that in any way or form illegal for you to say the law is wrong?
I actually think defamation is a very serious crime.

Wow, of course there's something wrong with that! He's a photographer ,no? So how does being given a blowjob and getting a naked model to touch his dick, qualifiy as being professional? Seriously if this is the way this man works, then his work should be shown in only p*rn/18+ magazines and models over 18 with someone from their representation present.

It's quite disturbing actually that this man has this much power and thinks that that type of behaviour is acceptable.

Anyone with high morals and vaules would not say that his way of working is okay.Taking advantage of power for one's own motives is not right..

 

[Les_Sucettes]

^ Oh you have got to be kidding me. So you think the inappropriate photos (and PLEASE don't tell me you think they're "fine") he takes of girls are ok, but you're worried that his reputation might be harmed. What the hell?

Yes, I think they are fine. Why do you think they are inappropriate? Is it illegal to touch someone's dick in a photograph if you feel like it, and the other person agrees? Is he breaking any laws? And accusing people of committing crimes is very serious. I'm not particularly worried about Terry, because I do not know him so i will not lose sleep over it, but I think in general it's very important that people can feel free to express themselfs the way they feel like, without running the risk of being called criminals because what they do is not to everyone's taste.

If one day he's found guilty of something related to his behaviour with models, then i will be the first one to say he did wrong, but the same goes for any other photographer, really.

 

[Les_Sucettes]

Wow, of course there's something wrong with that! He's a photographer ,no? So how does being given a blowjob and getting a naked model to touch his dick, qualifiy as being professional? Seriously if this is the way this man works, then his work should be shown in only p*rn/18+ magazines and models over 18 with someone from their representation present.

It's quite disturbing actually that this man has this much power and thinks that that type of behaviour is acceptable.

Anyone with high morals and vaules would not say that his way of working is okay.Taking advantage of power for one's own motives is not right..

WoW,How do you think p*rn movies get made? Since when the photographer or the person is filming cannot participate ? He takes p*rn*gr*ph*c pics for books and mags that yes are for over 18's. And yes no one ever complained any of his models were underage. Since when became illegal to take p*rn pics? He doesn't take p*rn pics for Vogue.

 

[GeniedeMelbourne]

^^^Not only that but the social implications of turning a blind eye to what is pretty obvious for anyone with a brain (and he's even said so himself). The glorification of exerting one's power for sexual favours and then boasting of it and publishing/spreading photographs of it when one clearly should not be behaving as such (i.e. on the job) just cheapens women to dispensable sexual dolls. It's very disturbing for me that people are so willing to defend this.

 

[GeniedeMelbourne]

Yes, I think they are fine. Why do you think they are inappropriate? Is it illegal to touch someone's dick in a photograph if you feel like it, and the other person agrees? Is he breaking any laws? And accusing people of committing crimes is very serious. I'm not particularly worried about Terry, because I do not know him so i will not lose sleep over it, but I think in general it's very important that people can feel free to express themselfs the way they feel like, without running the risk of being called criminals because what they do is not to everyone's taste.

If one day he's found guilty of something related to his behaviour with models, then i will be the first one to say he did wrong, but the same goes for any other photographer, really.

Yes, sexual harassment in the workplace laws. His job is a photographer, therefore he's on duty and can't behave like this while on duty.

 

[Squizree]

Yes, I think they are fine. Why do you think they are inappropriate? Is it illegal to touch someone's dick in a photograph if you feel like it, and the other person agrees? Is he breaking any laws? And accusing people of committing crimes is very serious. I'm not particularly worried about Terry, because I do not know him so i will not lose sleep over it, but I think in general it's very important that people can feel free to express themselfs the way they feel like, without running the risk of being called criminals because what they do is not to everyone's taste.

If one day he's found guilty of something related to his behaviour with models, then i will be the first one to say he did wrong, but the same goes for any other photographer, really.

This, then, has become an argument of morals and ethics. And that's what this is in the first place.
I think they're inappropriate because it's an old man abusing his professional position to gain sexual favours from young models. He's even admitted to having issues, jeez what else do you want? He's a walking mental case.

It actually makes me sick that you think this is fine. It's an old man's dick on a young girl's face, how can you think this is fine?

 

[Les_Sucettes]

^^^Not only that but the social implications of turning a blind eye to what is pretty obvious for anyone with a brain (and he's even said so himself). The glorification of exerting one's power for sexual favours and then boasting of it and publishing/spreading photographs of it when one clearly should not be behaving as such (i.e. on the job) just cheapens women to dispensable sexual dolls. It's very disturbing for me that people are so willing to defend this.

Who am I to decide about other people's sexually? What is appropriate or not? We are talking about consenting adults. A trip into Terry books, it's a trip to a particular type of male sexuality. As long has no one is breaking any laws and his view is not presented to me by him as a template for all of us to follow, it's fine by me. Some things i like others not.
But i do think his work is pretty honest.

 

[agee]

It's amazing how so many people are making very serious allegations in this thread without any sort of proof. It's fantastic that according to this thread he committed so many crimes, but not one girl EVER, complained about him to the police. And even now, the perfect time, not one woman came forward to report him. I'm sure a lot of women he photographed over the years are way past the dream of being models, why won't this legions of abused girls sue him for a couple of millions ? Since according to this thread he seems to be so all mighty that no one ever dares to say anything.

I think that many commenters have refrained from using words like "crime" and have used words like "inappropriate" and "misconduct". It does not have to be criminal for it to be considered wrong, and going to the press is a legitimate way to get non-legal wrongdoing addressed. It would not be illegal for a person in power / public figure to go around saying the n word or using racial epithets or insults, and if someone shared an experience with such a person with a reporter, that wouldn't be wrong as well.

In fairness to Terry, it should be noted that as it relates to Rie Rasmussen's allegations and the fallout from it, up until this point no one has publicly accused him of messing with or photographing under-aged girls and there has been considerable conflation of "young girls" with "under-aged girls." The closest was a seventeen year old with a fake ID, and in her case she booked out of what seemed to be a photoshoot-orgy. Now I wouldn't be surprised if a credible allegation was made, but at this time it has not happened. A caveat, I have not read everything written about this matter, I am getting my information mostly from this thread, including following links to other sites.

I guess if he learn to use soft light, use tons of photoshop and starts cultivating a blase look, he can can dress Lara has a dominatrix and squeeze her nipples in an armour, and people will applaud his amazing creative vision.

I think this is an excellent point. Although it should be noted that people have objected to these types of photos, but I do think it is fair to point out that if it is the right photographer and model, the overall reception tends to be favorable.

And what that has do do with anything? Unless a crime is reported to the police, any accusation without any sort of proof may be considered libelous and land you in court.

This cuts both ways, where is Terry's lawsuit against Rie Rasmussen, Jamie Peck, the New York Post and Jezebel?

Rie think his work is degrading to woman, she gave an opinion, she didn't accuse him of any sort crime, so i do not see why what she said became so twisted that according to this thread he may be abusing underage models, or harassing women to perform sex acts on him.

Again, I think your objection to Terry Richardson being accused of messing with under-aged models is fair, but the harassment claim has been pretty well substantiated including by Terry himself with his story about how to make the model comfortable he will take off his clothes and give the model the camera. His justification is that he is not doing anything wrong because he is not making the model do anything that he is not willing to do, but that does not make it any less harassment.

 

[billabonggirl73]

This, then, has become an argument of morals and ethics. And that's what this is in the first place.
I think they're inappropriate because it's an old man abusing his professional position to gain sexual favours from young models. He's even admitted to having issues, jeez what else do you want? He's a walking mental case.

Completely agree with you Squizree.

I've heard of a similar thing that happens in hollywood.Casting Couch anyone? Its not illegal as such, but it's beyond wrong.
Les_Sucettes weren't you ever taught that taking advantage of one's postion is wrong, particulary when young girls and old men are involved.

 

[GeniedeMelbourne]

Who am I to decide about other people's sexually? What is appropriate or not? We are talking about consenting adults. A trip into Terry books, it's a trip to a particular type of male sexuality. As long has no one is breaking any laws and his view is not presented to me by him as a template for all of us to follow, it's fine by me. Some things i like others not.
But i do think his work is pretty honest.

Whether informed consent is given is what is being questioned. And if that is not the case then the law is being broken.

But let's put that aside. It's well established that he has a lot of power and influence in the industry and if he goes along with the industry keep to the stereotype of the woman as sexual object then the mould will be difficult to break as it all goes through mass culture and this affects the way that all women are culturally perceived and treated. I'm willing to fight against that.