The Vegetarian & Vegan Thread

Originally posted by Bonchic@Oct 1 2004, 03:50 PM
omg not peta :innocent: Okay I don't wanna eat meat (besides fish) but it's not because I'm a save the animals person... :rolleyes: No offense to those who are :ninja:
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What's wrong with being a save-the-animals person :cry:
 
well I've just heard of PETA people who like throw stuff on people's fur while they're walking down the street (nyc) or whatever I dunno like I said no offense to those who are! :flower: I actually love soy milk it's soo good! This week I'm cutting out all meat except fish and next week it'll be the dairy which I think will be a little harder because like everything has some kind of dairy product in it! And who knows I may still eat some dairy stuff. How long does it take for the Peta starter kit to get to me does anyone know?
 
I live in Europe, and mine delivered in about 3 weeks. It'll be much faster if you're within USA, I guess.

Cutting out dairy is hard - what I try to do is just eat as little as possible, because I believe that natural milk is beneficial in small doses. Good luck anyways! :flower:
 
i congratulate you on your choice :flower: .

just slowly cut things out of your diet: beef, pork, chicken, fish, etc etc week by week. there's tons of meet substitues that you can find at Whole Foods that are made from soy protiens and taste just as good as the real stuff (i can't remember what meat tastes like anymore but my omnivore friends says it does). dairy-wise there's also lots of substitues as well. soy cheese, ice cream, and there's carob in place of chocolate ^_^ and if you absoloutley have to drink milk go organic. god knows what they've got in conventional milk :yuk: .

not enough to push you on your way? read Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.

good luck! :heart: :flower: :heart:
 
Ive been a vegetarian for the past five years or so but decided to eat meat again last week as I thought my diet needed it,but I ended up throwing up my dinner! euch! I guess my mind is now decidely against eating meat!
 
Originally posted by have_une_nice_day@Oct 18 2004, 08:24 AM
Ive been a vegetarian for the past five years or so but decided to eat meat again last week as I thought my diet needed it,but I ended up throwing up my dinner! euch! I guess my mind is now decidely against eating meat!
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I've always wondered what would happen if we vegetarians suddenly began eating meat... :shock:
 
I guess we know now :sick: It's coming along good ya'll I mean I've been eating some meat but I'm making suddle changes that way I don't feel totally deprived at once.. And I haven't told anyone else besides my mom and dad that way they can help, etc.. So at a party and stuff I've eaten a hot dog because people would suspect something if I didn't eat at all.. Anyways but I've been eating pretty good.. I can tell the hardest part by far will be cutting out most dairy I'm not sure if I can do it all because it's in EVERYTHING! Anyways thought I'd update ya'll. And I haven't gotten the package from peta yet :unsure:
 
take it slow with the dairy. try just going vege first then vegan :flower:

Originally posted by have_une_nice_day@Oct 18 2004, 05:24 AM
Ive been a vegetarian for the past five years or so but decided to eat meat again last week as I thought my diet needed it,but I ended up throwing up my dinner! euch! I guess my mind is now decidely against eating meat!
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thank bob i thought i was abnormal or something!! my friend gave me beef burger instead of a veggi burger on accident and they basically taste the same so i ate the whole thing :sick: i felt really sick after a bit then threw it all up. :yuk: i guess you can't turn back once you've started.
 
great vegetarian/vegan history by wm safire

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y all that is sacred in our hopes for the human race,'' wrote the passionate poet Percy Bysshe Shelley in 1813, ''I conjure those who love happiness and truth, to give a fair trial to the vegetable system.'' The cardinal rule of that blithe spirit: ''Never take any substance into the stomach that once had life.''

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That philosophy of diet was first recorded by Pythagoras of Samos who munched on his veggies around the fifth century B.C., with Greek philosophers like Plato, Epicurus and Plutarch embracing fleshless eating with enthusiasm. A few decades after Bish's endorsement (the teenager he seduced and later married, Mary Wollstonecraft's daughter, called him Bish), the diet was being called vegetarian, a word popularized by the formation of the vegetarian Society at Ramsgate, England, in 1847. After its planting, that word grew (from the Latin vegetare, ''to grow'') for a century.

Then along came the Yorkshireman Donald Watson, a woodworker in Britain and a devotee of greens, who was looking for a name for his newsletter. ''We should all consider carefully,'' he wrote his early subscribers in 1944, ''what our Group, and our magazine, and ourselves, shall be called.'' He was tired of typing the long word vegetarian thousands of times and believed nondairy was too negative: ''Moreover it does not imply that we are opposed to the use of eggs as food. We need a name that suggests what we do eat.'' He rejected vegetarian and fruitarian as ''associated with societies that allow the 'fruits'(!) of cows and fowls.'' (That's milk and eggs; the poet Robert Lowell wrote in 1959 of a ''fly-weight pacifist,/so vegetarian, /he wore rope shoes and preferred fallen fruit.'')

Watson suggested to his readers that the newsletter be called The Vegan News. ''Our diet will soon become known as a vegan diet, and we should aspire to the rank of vegans.''

As his subscribers swallowed his coinage, Watson promptly made it an -ism : ''Veganism is the practice of living on fruits, nuts, vegetables, grains and other wholesome nonanimal products.'' He thus dissociated his strict -ism from that of vegetarianism, a less rigorous regime that usually permits the eating of eggs, dairy products and honey, as well as the wearing of animal products like leather, wool and silk. (To get the vitamin B12 in animal products, many vegans drink fortified soy milk or take a vitamin pill. Mother's milk is permitted for babies.)

Vegetarian has another offshoot besides the aforesaid fruitarian: ''Pescetarian is a frequently used term for those alleged veggies who eat seafood (but not meat or fowl),'' noted a writer in The Guardian in 2002, ''and irritate meat eaters and genuine vegetarians the world over.''

One who exclusively noshes on crudités (a Yiddish-English-French phrase) is called a rawist. Also coined in the early 90's is flexitarian, one who eats vegetarian dishes at home but will go along with meat, fish or fowl in a restaurant or as a guest. (A food pollster would call these loosey-goosey gourmands swing eaters.)

In the recent presidential campaign, Ralph Nader revealed his food flexitarianism -- no meat, but fish is O.K. -- while Representative Dennis Kucinich firmly asserted his status as a vegan. The strict term can be politically parodied: the humorist Dave Barry, in a healing postelection column, urged readers not to stereotype red-state voters as ''knuckle-dragging Nascar-obsessed cousin-marrying roadkill-eating'' rednecks, nor blue-state voters as ''tofu-chomping holistic-wacko neurotic vegan weenie perverts.''

Vegan, too, has its offshoot: a freegan is an anticonsumerist who eats only what others throw away. Unlike a dumpster diver, a freegan (hard g) limits his scrounging to edibles. I believe this term is too close to euphemisms for copulation to be more than a nonce word.

Do not confuse the noun vegan with the intransitive verb to veg out. The latter is based on vegetate, ''to exist passively,'' coined in that sense by the playwright Colley Cibber in 1740. It means ''to droop into such a state of insensibility as to appear to become a vegetable.''

My problem with vegan, now affirmatively used as self-description by roughly two million Americans, is its pronunciation. Does the first syllable sound like the vedge in vegetable, with the soft g? Or is it pronounced like the name sci-fi writers have given the blue-skinned aliens from far-off Vega: VEE-gans or VAY-gans?

For this we turn to the word's coiner: ''The pronunciation is VEE-gan,'' Watson told Vegetarians in Paradise, a Los Angeles-based Web site, last year, ''not vay-gan, veggan or veejan.'' He chooses the ee sound followed by a hard g. That's decisive but not definitive; some lexicographers differ, and pronunciation will ultimately be determined by the majority of users.

I'll go along with the coiner's pronunciation of VEE-gan. He's a charmingly crotchety geezer who began as a vegetarian. ''When my older brother and younger sister joined me as vegetarians, nonsmokers, teetotalers and conscientious objectors,'' Watson says, ''my mother said she felt like a hen that had hatched a clutch of duck eggs.'' He obviously inherited her feel for language. I'm a carnivore myself -- an animal that delights in eating other animals -- but won't treat this guy like a fad-diet freak: Watson has a major coinage under his belt, and he's a spry 94.

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Well, i'm 16, and last year I became vegan.
Everything was going fine until the winter started.. and I was feeling so sick and weak.. I guess it was a really bad idea.
I started to read and ask, and everybody said that I was too young to became vegan, so, be careful!! ^_^
 
meat makes me:sick:


so thats really the top and bottom of it.

dont think i could ever go back to eating meat even the smell makes me feel ill.
 
I'm "vegan"...though I've pretty much done away with labels. I don't eat anything with an animal source (my stomach is greatly sensitive to dairy now)...though I started wearing leather again since my professional requires me to work with it, my goal in fashion design is making great alternatives to clothing made from animals.

Honestly, do what you feel. I still feel I'm a vegan (I even had it tattooed on my neck) for not eating things with animal products and such even though I work with leather and wear it sometimes because I'm doing way more to help the "cause" than the people that b*tch and whine about being pure because, honestly, I understand that its more of a philosophy (and a pretty unrealistic one) at best. Remember you shouldn't have to explain your choices to anybody and shouldn't ever feel the need to.
 
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Hey, i was vegetarian for about a year then went back to eating meat and like have une nice day threw up when i started eating it again! But back to vegetarian i am now! And too be honest i feel better then ever! So yeah do what you thinks best for you. But carefully does it! hehe good luck!
 
okay so here's the update.. I'm a "pescotarian" right now because I'm still getting use to it. I am eating hardly any desserts or sweets. I eat fish and no other meats. I do drink soy milk (not by it's self) but in smoothies, cereal, etc.. Anyways I'm reading some vegetarian recipe books right now so if I find some good recipes that work I'll post them! Thanks for all the advice! Oh and I've lost over 5 lbs since I've started (+ I've been exercising too).
 
a big "HEY!!!" to all the veggies/vegans on the board!! I'm pretty much vegan; and when I say "pretty much", I mean except for potato chips and cookies. But that's only because I've been much too lazy to make the time to bake vegan. I've done it before, and you honestly can't tell that there's much difference.

Bonchic, I like how you're taking it slow. I love soy milk and soy cheeses, and I think I didn't go fully vegan (i.e. made the decision to consciously cut out dairy and eggs from my already vegetarian diet) until I found tasty alternatives. I'm an athlete so I have to be careful that I get enough protein in my diet. I listen to what my body tells me--if I'm feeling inordinately weak/tired, I know that I'm missing something.

On a side note, I'm glad that my roommate and I have decided to do our own belated Lent. I've decided to give up chips and chocolate and I'm glad to take the time to look up recipes for fabulously healthy treats :). It'll be good because I just started training hard again. Less junk food = more money in my pocket + a better figure + faster sprint times :) yay!!
 
Well... I suppose I'm a vegetarian - I don't eat red meat, and I hardly ever eat white meat... Does that count?
 
I think you would be considered a pescotarian.. I can see myself being a full fledged vegetarian (not vegan cause they don't wear sertain clothes like leather, fur..etc..) but I'm taking it slowly so I can do it right and enjoy it. I am thinking of alternatives for when my sweet tooth calls me (homemade smoothies are great) or when I crave bread, etc.. Tonight my family had pizza because we have intown family visiting and me and my sister made humongous salads and I made some tasty tortilla strips to go on top (below for recipe). So maybe this weekend or sometime I'll put together some of my favorite "new" things to eat! I feel so much better about myself now than I did before so healthy and well just healthy!


Tortilla Strips

Turn Oven on to Broil (500 degrees)

tortilla (big or little doesn't matter just depends on how much you want)
place tortilla on cutting board and cut into about 1 inch wide strips then cut diagnally so you have strips about as long as your middle finger.
Use oil (any kind) and brush to lightly coat the strips with oil. Then add your own spices (I use italian, rosemary, etc..) and sprinkle on top. The seasonings should stick pretty well to the oil. Place strips on cookie sheat and stick in oven. Check them till they are golden, you might have to turn the pan.
Remember to check them because they will bake very quickly on broil. You want them to be slightly golden not brown or they will taste kind of burnt.
 
Bonchic said:
I think you would be considered a pescotarian.. I can see myself being a full fledged vegetarian (not vegan cause they don't wear sertain clothes like leather, fur..etc..) but I'm taking it slowly so I can do it right and enjoy it.

Hmm.... Are vegans not allowed to eat fish/seafood? Because I coule be vegan if I could eat seafood. White meat isn't something I can't live without, but I love seafood. And I've already vowed myself against leather/fur/etc., so that's not too much of a problem...
 
^ vegans do not eat or use anything with animal products by definition. So no, vegans cannot eat seafood.

I eat a 100% vegan diet but I started to wear leather again because my job (designing) requires me to work with leather, so I've pretty much made that exception. I do not wear fur though (I wouldn't anyway) but I do occasionally wear wool. I basically do the best that I can.

My opinion is do away with all the labels and just do what you think you should do. You really don't have to explain yourself to anybody.

I mean, I personally think I'm more vegan than most people (I even have vegan tattooed on my neck) and I'm doing more to help "the cause" (I'm going into design to design NICE vegan friend clothes and shoes), but I still get heat from the hardcore ones. But honestly, I don't pay much mind to them because I think they're just full of hot air.
 

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