What's Next in John Galliano's Career?

[Deleted member 7575]

See I see things quite differently. I see it as simply being a minority vs. majority thing. If the majority of people -- more than the relatively small amount of 2,000 or so students who signed the petition I read mentioned somewhere -- either are ambivalent or don't have a problem with his being given the opportunity then that's what should be taken into account, because just like the students whose feelings you think would be devalued by his being there, the students who didn't take issue with it are now suffering the same lack of consideration for THEIR feelings that you seem so concerned about when it comes to the one's who spoke out against this whole thing. Since when does the minority rule?

I'm sorry but you really can't bring one group of students' opinions into the discussion without considering that the majority of students were not even heard from in this situation and that their feelings, as a result, don't enter into the decision at all. There is no fairness here no matter which way you slice it, and there is no right or wrong because the entire thing comes down to opinion. For better or worse some people's opinions were respected while others' were not.

Actually, the reality is the reverse of what you are arguing. According to Parson's website the whole school enrolls only 5,000 students in the undergrad and graduate departments, so 2,000 is a significant amount of opposition coming from the student body.

I think Parsons has every right to have Galliano come as a visiting lecturer, and the students have every right to petition against it.

And honestly, don't blame the students, blame Galliano for now agreeing to their conditions, which aren't unfair. And to Masquerade's point, to say you don't want to talk and then do an interview with Vanity Fair is a bit, eh... naff.

 

[Littleathquakes]

Actually, from Parson's website:

How many students attend Parsons?
Parsons currently enrolls nearly 5,000 undergraduate and graduate students. An additional 2,000 students each year take single courses or study for certificates in Parsons' Continuing Education program, and more than 2,000 children and young people attend weekend and summer pre-college programs each year. The average class size for all programs is 15.

So the number is really closer to 9,000. The reason why I tally the whole student body and not just enrolled undergrad and grad students is because we don't know from which of those student body were those signatures on the petition garnered.

 

[pen6693]

I would be nowhere near shocked if that Vanity Fair interview gets cancelled too.

 

[iluvjeisa]

Excuse me, but where is your proof he has? Everything you just said against me can be flipped to your comment. What do you have besides the excuse/claim that he was drunk. Besides the fact that the ADL said he worked for forgivenss without proof. Besides the fact that he made PR statements and no interviews.

He has done nothing to prove he is remorseful and he has actually acted counter to it with his appropriation of orthodox jewish dress recently.

Well, first off, he proclaimed "love" for a man that would have him going to the gas chambers himself - that makes no sense whatsoever. Thus, one would say that he wasn't able to reason at the time that he said the offensive phrase in question.

Frankly, I think anyone who doesn't understand that he was drunk (or worse) at the time is really looking for ways to make him look even more guilty than he already is.

No, sorry, at this point the roles are reversed and further incriminations of Galliano based on his one statement alone is nothing more than bullying through demonization.

 

[Chanelcouture09]

^Exactly.

I find his continued persecution by the media rather appalling to be honest, he made a mistake and over the past 2 years he's continued to put his mistakes right, it's time to move on and let him get on with his career, regardless of what he said he was still a revolutionary designer and ultimately a human being, we all make mistakes.

 

[Cold]

From the Huffpost session yesterday

 

[Uemarasan]

Stop excusing racism. Let him show utter and complete remorse. In his own words and actions. Then we can talk about giving him a chance.

 

[TREVOFASHIONISTO]

You have no proof for what you are saying. All we have is a video of a man drunk off his *** saying embarrassing and disgusting things to people.

You know - pathetic drunks - this is exactly what they do - scream strange insults. It is absolutely pathetic and reprehensible - but it's also quite obvious that kind of person is not themselves and needs help.

Some of these vitriolic comments two years after the incident in question baffles me. Sure, it was really nasty. But he has paid a high price and seems to behave in a bashful manner.

He is a very flamboyant, extroverted man and he has now been out of the public sight for two years. If that is not testament to the shame he feels for what he said and how he behaved, I don't know what is.

That said, I understand how the things he said are tremendously hurtful. And it's of course everybody's own choice when/if to forgive.

yes i dont understand why just because its galliano his illness is ignored. maybe because i live in a heavily substance abusive city and i hear drunkards, drug abusers, and crazy homeless people on the streets say things they probably dont mean or will remember (its happened to me before) and I literally just ignore because I know they are not well at all. John wasnt well. He did what he needed to do to get well. It was a huge wake up call and i think he wants to just get back to work somehow

 

[TREVOFASHIONISTO]

His attack was specifically made against Jewish women. Why should Jews not be able to talk about their own oppression.




Excuse me, but where is your proof he has? Everything you just said against me can be flipped to your comment. What do you have besides the excuse/claim that he was drunk. Besides the fact that the ADL said he worked for forgivenss without proof. Besides the fact that he made PR statements and no interviews.

He has done nothing to prove he is remorseful and he has actually acted counter to it with his appropriation of orthodox jewish dress recently.



Threatening isn't just a physical state. You can threaten with words, with a presence. His presence there says to the Jewish students that opposed him coming that their feelings are less important. That what happened to them is less important. Not all acts of racism are yelling "heil hitler". Inviting a known racist to a school without considering the minority students is a microaggression and a microinvalidation. These have to be taken seriously. Even if they don't have to take the class

im sorry but any time a black person feels oppressed (and i hate to make this about race) we are always called out for being dramatic or we're given a poor excuse for an apology (ex. blackface) nobody has ever been publicly ridiculed this long and its usually done sober. Galliano lost two high profile jobs and went to go get help. I doubt he is some violent threatening person he is also someone who would have been killed during that era, lets be serious are we angry just because it's galliano because I dont know anyone that would hold a grudge for this many years over some drunken words. this man is not racist and is clearly sorry

 

[prosperk]

I have been making that exact same point in the JG thread in the Rumors section. The people who are calling for his eternal crucifixion are no better than him during his tirade.

He was drunk and probably stoned but they are sober.

 

[valliaddict]

Actually, the reality is the reverse of what you are arguing. According to Parson's website the whole school enrolls only 5,000 students in the undergrad and graduate departments, so 2,000 is a significant amount of opposition coming from the student body.

I think Parsons has every right to have Galliano come as a visiting lecturer, and the students have every right to petition against it.

And honestly, don't blame the students, blame Galliano for now agreeing to their conditions, which aren't unfair. And to Masquerade's point, to say you don't want to talk and then do an interview with Vanity Fair is a bit, eh... naff.

Exactly. I'm sure everything will be in that one written interview will be heavily rehearsed & scripted by Galliano & his PR. He'll say what everyone wants to hear, as opposed to speaking from the heart.

 

[valliaddict]

No, sorry, at this point the roles are reversed and further incriminations of Galliano based on his one statement alone is nothing more than bullying through demonization.

People throw that "bullying" word around so casually, like anyone who doesn't agree with him returning to a comfy seven figure salary is a bully. Millions of people think John Galliano is a racist, & they have every right to that opinion. I'm a firm believer in the saying "a drunk man speaks a sober mind." People who assume things because of his statements should not be considered bullies.

 

[FelipeV]

Is there still people offended about this? Mother of Jesus. What he DID was wrong, but oh Jesus Christ... I can't even...

 

[Deleted member 7575]

Actually, from Parson's website:



So the number is really closer to 9,000. The reason why I tally the whole student body and not just enrolled undergrad and grad students is because we don't know from which of those student body were those signatures on the petition garnered.

I'm inclined to think it was mostly fashion students.

 

[Deleted member 7575]

I don't actually understand why people think he hasn't shown remorse. He did give an official apology.

 

[fashionista-ta]

Exactly. I'm sure everything will be in that one written interview will be heavily rehearsed & scripted by Galliano & his PR. He'll say what everyone wants to hear, as opposed to speaking from the heart.

But it's the job of a good interviewer/journalist to get past the PR, and Vanity Fair uses good writers. That's why I'm a bit surprised that it's Vanity Fair, because this truly is what they specialize in. If they couldn't get past the scripted and rehearsed, I believe they would very likely cancel the interview. So if it actually happens, if it actually gets published, I don't think that's what it will be. Their reputation is involved too, they're not going to trash it for exclusive crap ... it's got to be good. Typically their interviews are deep, broad, and long, and when you get done, your questions are answered. So I am really anticipating this.

 

[Cold]

Exactly. I'm sure everything will be in that one written interview will be heavily rehearsed & scripted by Galliano & his PR. He'll say what everyone wants to hear, as opposed to speaking from the heart.

However the VF interview is arranged, it's definitely initiated in hopes of a favourable outcome and no less. And while we can expect Galliano to be prepped and polished for this interview, it's really up to his own approach and how he'll handle what's thrown at him, at the same time it's up to the audience if they're willing to keep an open mind, so in a way this is a catch-22. After all, this attempt wouldn't just be about appealing to the conflicted public that initially revels in his work, but also as an extension of conveying his sorry a$s to everyone he offended. It's also an opportunity for those who aren't familiar with Galliano's "issues" to get a sense of that change in him and the divergent realities he had to face. But it would be pretty damn reckless on his part if he didn't at least prepare a bridging technique just in case.

But it's the job of a good interviewer/journalist to get past the PR, and Vanity Fair uses good writers. That's why I'm a bit surprised that it's Vanity Fair, because this truly is what they specialize in. If they couldn't get past the scripted and rehearsed, I believe they would very likely cancel the interview. So if it actually happens, if it actually gets published, I don't think that's what it will be. Their reputation is involved too, they're not going to trash it for exclusive crap ... it's got to be good. Typically their interviews are deep, broad, and long, and when you get done, your questions are answered. So I am really anticipating this.

It's been reported that Ingrid Sischy will be conducting the interview. This is perhaps the second time Rosenberg jumped in on a crucial exclusive deal with Vanity Fair, which I'm assuming is largely the reason Galliano declined to go through with the forum at Parsons. Anyone who's familiar with Sischy's process, even when she was with Interview, knows that she doesn't fck around with PR schemes and is usually distant with her own agenda.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ yeah, I wondered about that too ... but if it was related to the exclusive for this, why not just delay the Parsons thing a few months? It's also interesting to consider that this is happening while the lawsuit is in progress.

 

[Melancholybaby]

John Galliano Said to Be Considering TV Interview

ANOTHER COMEBACK STEP: As any disgraced celebrity will tell you, it’s not a comeback until you’ve done the tell-all sit-down TV interview. And that’s just what John Galliano’s handlers are considering. Talks are in the early stages, but Galliano may soon tape a TV appearance, which, if the plan goes through, would be the designer’s second major interview after agreeing to speak with Vanity Fair.

It’s not clear which would come first, TV or print, but insiders say the appearance would not be a weeper in the style of Oprah Winfrey or Barbara Walters — one’s too obvious, the other, retired, more or less. Instead, conversations are revolving a program known for its gravitas that occasionally invites fashion power players to the table: Charlie Rose’s public television program.

“There are no plans in place regarding TV appearances for John at this time,” said Galliano’s publicist, Liz Rosenberg. Yvette Vega, Rose’s executive producer, said an appearance with the designer has not been scheduled, but did not dismiss the possibility of an interview in the future.

“We are open to interviewing people whose views represent a wide range of opinions, from Bashar al-Assad to Bono,” she said.

That Galliano’s camp is considering a TV appearance at all is striking because the designer, even before his troubles, rarely if ever sat for long interviews, unlike his TV-ready peers Tom Ford, who logged three appearances on Rose’s show, and Marc Jacobs, who’s been on twice.

The Vanity Fair interview was conducted recently by Ingrid Sischy, although it’s not clear when the story might run.

wwd.com

 

[iluvjeisa]

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Sounds like good news to me...