Alessandro Michele - Designer, Creative Director of Valentino

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Her last show at Givenchy was amazing just watch it again last night.

sorry i have different idea of what constitute as amazing and her work comes nowhere near that.

 

[FashionPower]

Her last show at Givenchy was amazing just watch it again last night.

Unfortunately she was very incosistent throughout her tenure.
For the couture shows I didn't find any major or particular flaws: the collections were themed, good craftmanship, nice mix of wearability and avantgardness, most of the clothing looked good on red carpet and the PR push was there.
The RTW on the other hand...a disaster. She was going full 180 back and forth from one season to the next one: she started with a Zara inspired collection 2018, then she went dark buodoir fur galore the season after, then she did her worst show with the NY ghetto cool girl rap for SS20 with Charlotte Rampling in the ad campaign (???). Her FW20 show was definitely her best work and a perfect swan song though. You can't have in stores clothing from the SS20 collection and 6 months later do a full 180 with that FW20, that's gonna destabilize your customer base so much.

 

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pls No!!!!!!!!! dont you remember her chloe and givenchy she had enough chances its enough !!!!!

I remember. Her Chloé was performing very well, and has been influential to this day with all the dupes of her Nile, Drew, and Faye bags still floating around. I also remember how she made Pringle of Scotland a thing when LFW was still relevant. So yes, even if you hate her work, it doesn't change the fact that she's a successful designer, even after her unfocused tenure at Givenchy.

 

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I remember. Her Chloé was performing very well, and has been influential to this day with all the dupes of her Nile, Drew, and Faye bags still floating around. I also remember how she made Pringle of Scotland a thing when LFW was still relevant. So yes, even if you hate her work, it doesn't change the fact that she's a successful designer, even after her unfocused tenure at Givenchy.

oh i don't hate her or her work and sure i know of some commercial success some parts had etc, but she does not have a strong vision or direction its just nice middle of the road things. it just exist but i don't engage with it as in admiration or case study of excellence, i understand people buying it as people buy many thing that are ok or less than ok.
i mean Zara exist as well to name one of many things that just are there but don't contribute to progress of intellect or design.

and i want to be clear: picking parts of commercial success does not constitute a great creative director , much like celine michael rider is now its bits and pieces sure will sell.... nice but are we desiring his Celine like Phoebe´s era the simple clear answer is NO!

i distinguish levels of importance or praise like that! a complete distinctive vision anything less is just not the best for me in high fashion discourse.

its formula 1, its olympics of fashion..... ok is not good enough.

even her uniqlo is bland as hell.
please feel free to like her products because its just that stuff.

 

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Expecting anything that's not bland from Uniqlo is delusional, so is calling the industry F1 in the current climate. Vision? Michele has a distinctive creative language, and apparently it's not enough, just because you don't agree with it aesthetically. Jacquemus also has a total vision, and I don't think he would be called a good designer either. So yes, I'd rather enjoy CWK's products than wait for God knows what to come from the fashion heavens.

 

[Plax]

I think Claire had clear vision at Givenchy. Her show, campaign, casting and others were very consistent and directional, (except arivancy) and it fitted with brand itself, even if it was little bit boring. She just couldn’t make the commercial success at there.

 

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Expecting anything that's not bland from Uniqlo is delusional, so is calling the industry F1 in the current climate. Vision? Michele has a distinctive creative language, and apparently it's not enough, just because you don't agree with it aesthetically. Jacquemus also has a total vision, and I don't think he would be called a good designer either. So yes, I'd rather enjoy CWK's products than wait for God knows what to come from the fashion heavens.

Michele vision or style lets say is misaligned at Valentino,its like putting rick owens at hermes its not the right marriage.
Uniglo is bland but JWA managed to do something not as bland as CWK thats what i mean her C collection is worse than average Uniqlo merch. Jil Sander even did something more interesting at Uniqlo years ago.
Jacquemus has no vision they have great marketing around a theme that is french countryside life via a modern design lens.

they all fall under product designer:
Jacquemus grap designer
CWK crap designer
Blazy crap
Pieter crap
Anton new balmain designer crap
Sarah crap lost tailor in translation crap
JWA just open a multi brand shop with stuff and art and talk to clients al day what the meaning is of a spoon thats sold for 2k etc crap
etc
soulless fake vision borrowed from everywhere and not authentic , great for IG level comprehension of fashion.

 

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I think Claire had clear vision at Givenchy. Her show, campaign, casting and others were very consistent and directional, (except arivancy) and it fitted with brand itself, even if it was little bit boring. She just couldn’t make the commercial success at there.

guys love it !!!! dream of it!!!!!! :
but i don't need to analyze Shein Riccardo Tisci by Claire for Givenchy .
not up to standards for me with all the if and but if and when but maybe.
nope!


she was the pre blazy already before we knew it lol


computer say no !

 

[FashionPower]

guys love it !!!! dream of it!!!!!! :
but i don't need to analyze Shein Riccardo Tisci by Claire for Givenchy .
not up to standards for me with all the if and but if and when but maybe.
nope!
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computer say no !

Play it fairly though, you picked the most overstyled and overthought couture looks she made.
Karl was the best couturier ever in my opinion and I could show at least 5 looks from any of his collections that looked repulsive, cringe or overdesigned. Having bad looks in a collection doesn't necessarily mean the designer is bad.
First one is great if you remove the cringe oversized hat, second one you shall remove the oversized bow backpack harness.
Her couture never looked light or fresh, but the vision and the craftmanship were there.
Now that you mention it, the FW20 show is indeed giving a bit of BV by MB redux: the oversized cocoon coats, the cuts.

 

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Play it fairly though, you picked the most overstyled and overthought couture looks she made.
Karl was the best couturier ever in my opinion and I could show at least 5 looks from any of his collections that looked repulsive, cringe or overdesigned. Having bad looks in a collection doesn't necessarily mean the designer is bad.
First one is great if you remove the cringe oversized hat, second one you shall remove the oversized bow backpack harness.
Her couture never looked light or fresh, but the vision and the craftsmanship were there.
Now that you mention it, the FW20 show is indeed giving a bit of BV by MB redux: the oversized cocoon coats, the cuts.

lol i just googled her and what ever popped up on first page i grabbed. no joke
like i said i am not going to analyze her work.

for me Karl was not the best Couturier in the world for that i would sa cristobal or gres , couture is manipulation of cut and fabric and doing something never done before to call it the best.

again i measure differently when we talk about the best or amazing etc no water added to the wine for me.
see exactly what i said when people start saying remove that make this shorter different light this model etc etc no mental gymnastics for mid work.

craftsmanship lies with the house at best a couture creative director can and should push the teams and atelier, but she arrived at a house that worked with ricardo and mcqueen before, so the in house talent did not fall out from the sky!!!

yes i just notice it it giving BV lol i real did not go beyond first page of google ...what i remember was enough i juts needed some visual examples real quick.
to me it never gave and its still not giving she is nice lady nothing against her but her work is not upto my standards for excitement or admiration.

 

[Lola701]

Clare had a great run at Chloe because the brand has a strong aesthetic. Some designers are great talents but not necessarily great creative directors. It was easier for her to adapt her language at a brand where things are framed compared to Givenchy where things were too abstract.

Her Givenchy definitely showcased her range as a designer (and you kind of understand how she worked greatly with Tom Ford at Gucci where they used to do those 180 from seasons to seasons) but it wasn’t great. There were good products but that’s not enough when people don’t have a sense of what you are doing.

There was a total disconnect between her Couture and her RTW and then a total disconnect in RTW from seasons to seasons. One season she was boho, 80’s inspired, the next season, super slick.

And when we talk about her Couture, maybe yes it was too much about a Redcarpet and effects and not so much about the clients.
I mean Givenchy stopped showing Couture after her. Obviously there wasn’t an appetite for Williams (and the pandemic happened) but it was already probably hurting before.

She is a good designer but I would give her a house where she doesn’t have to flex a creativity and her range. I feel like that’s what her Givenchy was all about.

 

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Karl was the best couturier ever in my opinion and I could show at least 5 looks from any of his collections that looked repulsive, cringe or overdesigned.

not sure about the best but true either way. He had some pretty squeaky clean shows imo but seasons like SS93, SS07, SS15 got very messy