Balenciaga blacklists Vogue Paris?

[J'ador-DioR]

How unfortunate considering that VP has been supportive of Balenciaga for a long time.

Slightly off-topic but the blacklisting might extend to some models to (one in particular)...Natasha Poly, who has been on 5 VP covers & countless editorials, was noticeably absent from the Fall show and she walked for them since Fall 2004.

 

[Label Basher]

I don't specifically remember Ackermann, but MMM, Anne D. & Dries have all been featured in US Vogue editorials.

Really well I believe you as have the 411 when it comes to mags on TFS. I'm surprised but happy about it too.

Sorry if I'm coming off as Anti-Anna but she does her job of pushing the US designers so Carine should be allowed to do the same by pushing Givenchy, Balmain, Isabel Marant etc. I wish Alexandra would push the Brits a bit more sometimes.

 

[trikekos]

I think some of you are getting off topic...

 

[vavavinny]

If you're going to criticize VP and the team, maybe you should read it They feature a lot of Rick Owens - who is probably one of Alt's favorite. And I don't think VP does the "same chic look" in every issue.

I could not agree more with this. Vogue Paris is the only magazine I purchase and I have almost every single issue during Carine's reign, and I must say they feature designers from all four of the major fashion capitals consistently. Yes, they may favor Parisian brands over labels stationed in the other three cities, but don't U.S. Vogue and Vogue Italia do the same thing? Just as Givenchy, Balmain, Louis Vuitton, and YSL are featured predominately in VP, Oscar de la Renta, Rodarte, Proenza Schouler, and Ralph Lauren dominate U.S. Vogue and all of the top Italian designers are allover the pages of Vogue Italia. Recently, VP has been fairly covering key designers from allover the world. Just look at February's issue with the HUGE desert editorial. Sixty plus designers/labels were accounted for, and each designer had their own page. This also was evident in the August 2009 issue. I have yet to see the other Vogues have such a balance in their pages.

While Vogue Paris may not feature young designers, per se, they DO heavily include Parisian street labels and indie brands, which in my opinion is the equivalent of heralding young designers.

I don't know what all of this Carine hate is about. In my opinion, Nicolas Ghesquiere is the one being childish here! I don't think one can get anymore petty than banning another, ESPECIALLY an editor and magazine who has championed one's career since the VERY beginning, from one's fashion show. And removing ads and not sending samples is just foolish on Balenciaga's part. If it were Elle, I would say who cares, but this is arguably the most influential fashion magazine we are talking about here! I really would like to see how this pans out.

 

[KhaoticKharma]

I don't know what all of this Carine hate is about. In my opinion, Nicolas Ghesquiere is the one being childish here! I don't think one can get anymore petty than banning another, ESPECIALLY an editor and magazine who has championed one's career since the VERY beginning, from one's fashion show. And removing ads and not sending samples is just foolish on Balenciaga's part. If it were Elle, I would say who cares, but this is arguably the most influential fashion magazine we are talking about here! I really would like to see how this pans out.

If he has a problem with the way Carine and the French Vogue team do things, I can't help but commend him (or the whole the Balenciaga team) for taking a stand against what they deem as unsavory behavior. I'm sure everyone here knows the magnitude of Carine's influence in the fashion world; anyone that's ever even seen The Devil Wear's Prada and did a little more research afterward knows that. It's a big risk on their part, but I personally admire the integrity of the act.

 

[vavavinny]

If Balenciaga has an issue with Vogue Paris, there are MUCH more professional and mature ways to go about things, unless of course this has been brewing for months and the **** just finally hit the fan, which may make a bit of sense. I think the last time Balenciaga was in VP was November (Nicolas's resort collection was featured HEAVILY in Carine's main editorial). It's a bit funny, though, because out of all the editors and contributing stylists at VP, Carine by far uses Ghesquiere's clothes in her editorials more than anyone else does--and she uses Balenciaga A LOT. I would say she featured him as much as any of her other favorites before this whole incident, so it kind of seems a bit odd to me that he would be pissed at the magazine for favoritism issues. I don't think we have the whole story and this is much more personal than we all may think it is. The fact that MAS doesn't work at VP anymore and she is the consultant for Balenciaga is a bit more than a coincidence in my eyes. I just can't wait for the other shoe to drop!

 

[Street_a_Licious]

to add a point to the 'editors not allowed to consult' thingie...

wasn't it shown in 'The September Issue' that Anna consulted for Mango? talked about getting them Thakoon?

 

[KhaoticKharma]

The way they went about things was immature, certainly (on both parts- Balenciaga for turning them away at the door and not dealing with them beforehand, and Carine for immediately having a pretty pointed comment), but honestly- if they had sent her an email, called her, sent her a text, or Skyped her, no one would have know about it; people wouldn't have been talking about it. Now it's all over the internet. All I'm saying is; if they were trying to make a statement, they did it, and they did it well.

 

[ilaughead]

^Hm? I was under the impression the press caught up to Carine at a later show to ask about the incident.

 

[MACsarah]

Reminds me of kinder garden where when someone didn't share a cookie with me, I didn't invite them to my birthday party.

 

[Salvatore]

to add a point to the 'editors not allowed to consult' thingie...

wasn't it shown in 'The September Issue' that Anna consulted for Mango? talked about getting them Thakoon?

But she switches it up every year though with who she brings together to collaborate with . And is that really consulting if she just points them in a direction of who they should use ? I don't know if she got paid for doing that .

 

[Street_a_Licious]

i don't think Anna would do anything for free...

besides, from Carine's comment, she didn't sound petty to me. imo it was really just a 'we're blacklisted and i feel sorry we are, since we really like the brand. as of why? no clue. you will have to ask them.'-comment.

*shrug*

 

[ilaughead]

^We don't really have any evidence that she was paid, and it sounded like Oscar de la Renta was also asked about his opinion? But in any case, it's really Balenciaga/Ghesquière's decision, and if they don't want VP to cover their show, all the power to them. They aren't obligated to invite the team every season, and they shouldn't have to be.

 

[Drusilla_]

I agree that VP maybe has been a little too suggestive in it's use of Balmain, but I think we're all forgetting that A. this goes on all over the industry, and also at US Vogue and that B. we are running with a rumor that was posted in the comments section of a blog.

Exactly. If we're going to condemn Carine, Emmanuelle et al for styling shows, working on campaigns etc, then what about Lucinda Chambers- Fashion Features editor at Vogue UK (if I remember correctly) who also works for Marni? Katie Grand at Louis Vuitton? Any number of others I could name really.

We still don't know what went down. Balenciaga has a reputation for being nitpicky about the terms on which it lends out clothes etc, who knows what Carine and Co. did to offend them.

 

[Drusilla_]

Also, in re: Carine's support (or lack thereof) of younger designers, I do believe she was seen around town a lot last year wearing Altuzarra. Most younger designers in Paris seem to end up attached to established houses (which VP then supports) rather than starting their own labels from the get-go, and that seems to be common practice.

 

[vavavinny]

^Excellent point Drusilla ! The past couple of seasons Carine has gone to NYFW, she has embraced a young, up and coming designer/label by being photographed multiple times in a piece straight off of their runway. A couple of seasons ago it was Altuzarra, and this season it is Ohne Titel. While Anna takes a much more direct approach to supporting young designers, Carine endorses them in a way that is arguably even better than putting their clothes in her magazine. Joseph Altuzarra went from virtually unknown to one of the most promising/ hip new designers in New York after Carine was phtographed in that cream and fur tasseled coat. Now he is one the hottest young designers in NYC, after only a year later. Yes, Anna may hold many reins in her hands and exercise a lot of control over the fashion industry like a dictator, but let's not underestimate both Carine's importance and her power, which is completely different than the type of influence Anna has, and at times greater.

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that a lot of people keep bad-mouthing Carine and dismissing her like she is the editor of some small, mediocre magazine. I think a lot of you are under the Anna spell and are underestimating Carine's power.

 

[ilaughead]

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that a lot of people keep bad-mouthing Carine and dismissing her like she is the editor of some small, mediocre magazine. I think a lot of you are under the Anna spell and are underestimating Carine's power.

No matter how little or how much power Carine has, it's really a designer/house's decision if they want to send an invite or not. Carine's importance is completely irrelevant here. I can tell you're a big fan of hers, but I'm 100% positive that this story isn't so clear-cut that it's just Ghesquière being childish.

 

[style_expert]

Also, in re: Carine's support (or lack thereof) of younger designers, I do believe she was seen around town a lot last year wearing Altuzarra. Most younger designers in Paris seem to end up attached to established houses (which VP then supports) rather than starting their own labels from the get-go, and that seems to be common practice.

that's only because she already met altuzarra through riccardo tisci when he was interning at givenchy...on top of that the show was styled by melanie h (who was junior editor at vogue paris)

and ohne titel was actually supported by the CFDA and Vogue Fund way before Carine even paid any attention to the designers....

 

[vavavinny]

^You're right, U.S. Vogue supported the women at Ohne Titel much before Carine did. I am only arguing that it is not fair to criticize Carine for not supporting young designers (how did we get to this totally off issue topic anyway?) when, in fact, she does and has for a very long time.

Now I think we should all get back to the main issue at hand: why did Nicolas Ghesquiere ban the whole Vogue Paris team from his fashion show? Not if he was right to do so, not if Carine is a corrupt con woman who brainwashes the world into wearing Balmain and Givenchy through her satanic magazine laden with subliminal messages, but why she was not allowed into Balenciaga. And I HIGHLY doubt it's because she "doesn't support young designers."

 

[Les_Sucettes]

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that a lot of people keep bad-mouthing Carine and dismissing her like she is the editor of some small, mediocre magazine. I think a lot of you are under the Anna spell and are underestimating Carine's power.

That's nothing, i still can't wrap my head around the fact that some people when given a choice would prefer US Vogue over Vogue Paris, Anna over Carine, crazy!