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Balenciaga blacklists Vogue Paris?

The fashion houses don't need publishers like Conde Nast, now. This is the same thing that is happening with digital music--print magazines, journalism, newspapers, and music labels--all are seeing a downturn because of the internet. Fashion moves faster than the publishing cycle. They're not necessary anymore. Why kowtow to them?
 
Carine might win in the beautiful original editorial department, but going up against Anna? Haha.

This is getting juicier since Anna could be in the equation.
 
^^ Nuclear wintour is ALWAYS in the equation when it's fashion we are talking about B)
:lol:
 
I think Wintour tries her best to take advantage of the best possible outcome for her when people are quarreling.

I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing a lot of Balenciaga in the coming months in Vogue.

But I wonder why they didn't include the collection in the Top 10. Odd.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that Anna Wintour is too overrated, not to mention too overhyped among most fashion editors? Does she really have all that "power" people think she has? :mellow:
 
^Ummm. I think it's undeniable that she has a lot of say in what goes on in fashion. If you watched The September Issue, Miuccia even had to change the fabrics of her collection when someone talked to her in Anna's behalf. How many times have people said that Miuccia is perhaps one of the most influential designer working right now?

And talk about power hungry, I can't believe she actually has meetings with the directors of department stores. I'm pretty sure she tells them what designers to feature that season. Which is not strange considering the designers Anna features in her magazine correlates to the collections most department stores feature as well. I remember when Jason Wu, Thakoon, and Alexander Wang were first endorsed by Anna, department stores went bananas, even though the clothes themselves were pretty average. Oh, and let's not even talk about the sky rocketing popularity Rodarte received after getting that CFDA.

I think people are forgetting that just because her magazine isn't as creative as Carine's or Franca's, it doesn't mean that she has no say in fashion. Yeah, her editorial skills are overrated and overhyped, but we're not talking about editorial skills.

She's a complete business woman and will gladly pass on creativity if it means making the most money.

And people often think this "power" she has was just handed over to her in a single second. I think it took a long time for her to get it through personal connections and loyalty from designers, ceo's, photographers, publishers, etc etc. I think this is the "power" people are talking about. Undeniable loyalty from hundreds of people. Carine has only been editor-in-chief of VP since 2001.
 
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Of course. Anna W runs everyone's as$ in the fashion industry. And as a result she rocks my world.
I'd marry her in a millisecond.
 
Yeah even though I don't particularly have a high interest in Anna, I certainly know and understand how much power she has.
 
But why are some people here thinking that she's involve in this? Because of her "power"? What would be the point of destroying Carine's position/reputation, if Anna is involved and Carine did what rumours said...? Competition? Pure merely hate?

I'm just trying to understand this part because this seems like is going nowhere and until Carine or Balenciaga clarifies the real reason of the blacklisting (which I doubt they will), we could never know what really happened.
 
^^ Anna is a HUGE supporter of Ghesquiere. Very big. It's her "protege" and not in an obvious, public way like de la Renta or Thakoon.
Her relationship with Balenciaga (or just Nicholas) seems very personal, almost intimate. He is one of those great young talents she has nurtured and seen evolve.
She even has a portrait of him in her office! I found that very charming.
 
^ Please don't take this the wrong way but really? Nicholas is one of Anna's protégé? Really.

It's not that I don't believe it could be true but I just can't wrap my head around it. It's lovely if they have a private business friendship etc but I've just never read/seen/thought of her as a mentor to him like she is with Galliano or Theyskens or the NY designers. I can't recall an interview where he has ever mention her or her help (off to do some googling).

Sorry to bring VP/Carine into again but there is no doubt that they are huge supporters of Nicholas and Balenciaga.

PS Thanks borjacapella for explaining the Tommy rumour. I forgot to thank you.
 
If you watched The September Issue, Miuccia even had to change the fabrics of her collection when someone talked to her in Anna's behalf. How many times have people said that Miuccia is perhaps one of the most influential designer working right now?

Sorry but I rewatched The September Issue the other day and Miuccia is not in it. Anna does wear Prada throughout the doco but I can't recall any mention of Miuccia or her fabrics in it.
 
It's around 9 minutes into the movie when Virginia was talking. Anna was having a meeting with retailers.
 
Ugh. I hate fashion sometimes. It's not even fashion anymore. It's all just dirty politics.
"Where have all the flowers gone?"
 
I can't recall an interview where he has ever mention her or her help (off to do some googling).

The 60 minutes interview where Morley Safer & Anna go to Balenciaga & Nicolas says...

There is always a moment where you question if Anna will like it or not.

Here's something from US Vogue. Dated, I know, but it was a big deal when it came out.

 
Like what people mentioned before, people are often blinded by their glorification of Carine as being an uber editorial-in-chief that they forget that fashion is still business.
 
^ Please don't take this the wrong way but really? Nicholas is one of Anna's protégé? Really.
(...)
I've just never read/seen/thought of her as a mentor to him like she is with Galliano or Theyskens or the NY designers.
(...)
Sorry to bring VP/Carine into again but there is no doubt that they are huge supporters of Nicholas and Balenciaga.
PS Thanks borjacapella for explaining the Tommy rumour. I forgot to thank you.

do note how i tried to emphasize that it's not an overtly public "protectorship" ^_^
not in an obvious, public way like de la Renta or Thakoon
and there's of course Galliano or Theyskens as you pointed out! Marc Jacobs could also be part of the group, no?

The thing about Ghesquiere is really just an impression i've always had, from tiny details and because I think Nicholas' style very much fits the stereotype designer Anna has always liked.
It's all young and daring talents (perhaps not so young anymore :p), willing to break the rules in an ancient couture house.
The only thing I see different about Ghesquiere is he has always been much more private (not like galliano or marc who sort of have a celebrity status). To me, that could explain why her support is more "behind closed doors" in this case.

Sorry but I rewatched The September Issue the other day and Miuccia is not in it. Anna does wear Prada throughout the doco but I can't recall any mention of Miuccia or her fabrics in it.

it's Virginia Smith saying it. I think the lines go something like
"Anna spoke to miss Prada on your behalf"
and in comes Anna and says that they thought "the fabrics were so heavy you couldn't move"
and I can't remember if before of after that, Virginia explained that they "really pushed" to change to a "degradé fabric that is silk and mohair, as opposed to the heavy wool and mohair"

to me it's one of the biggest examples of how far Anna's power reaches.

It goes beyond taking pictures and putting them on the pages of Vogue, beyond satisfying companies by putting their clothes on the cover, having a double or triple page advertisement...
I don't think anyone else can talk that straight to a designer like prada who, lets face it, can pretty much do as she wishes knowing it will all fly off the racks eventually (that may be a bit exaggerated actually, buy we get the idea, no?)

Carine may be the most photographed by the streetstyle photographers, and her magazine may have an edge other commercial books can't get, but do not ask her about fabrics and all.
She has even said in interviews that she couldn't care less if the clothes are "triple cashemere" or "simple cashemere" or the references to other designers.
She sees the girl, then imagines the story, and then she dresses the girl (keeping advertisers happy, of course)
 
It's funny how this topic went from the blacklisting issue to proving that Carine is less powerful than Anna.

Haha.

How ironic that the two widely know editor-in-chiefs are once again on the spot light.
 

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