Christian Dior S/S 2024 Paris

[MulletProof]

^ Oh. Wow. I mean. You're not going to die or get some illness with Emily's food. It's just hospital food.

 

[Nimsay]

Wow. Traumatizing imagery

 

[Scotty]

I know that her construction and production quality are allegedly flawless but the clothes always look sad and frumpy. WHY?

 

[FelipeV]

wikipedia.com

 

[LadyJunon]

^ Oh. Wow. I mean. You're not going to die or get some illness with Emily's food. It's just hospital food.

Too extreme?

I know that her construction and production quality are allegedly flawless but the clothes always look sad and frumpy. WHY?

Only for Couture. In the shop windows, her clothes have this weird papery texture to them, maybe it's the excessive use of taffeta.

 

[ACastleOnACloud]

Trough the House of Dior's current explicit focus on feminism during Maria Grazia's tenure, I can't help but wonder what the life and thoughts of the women who bought Dior during Christian's time was like. Because, I'm not really sure but I get the idea that the women who bought Dior back then were not housewives but women of society who probably had people to do the housework for them and whose social life was in a way their work. Of course, that didn't mean they were not oppressed but in a way it's a very different reality. I wonder what these women thought about gender equality, their particular place in society and the role that fashion played in it.

Coming back to this collection, I like half of it. The other half I don't like as much but I wouldn't say it's bad. It's got a lot of black and it feels dark for a spring/summer collection but I kinda already expect that from Maria Grazia.

The collection would have benefited from another set, because the pop colors of it was not exactly fitting to showcase a black and white collection.

Her Dior has certainly grown a bit on me. I think she's shown us who she is as a designer for this particular House and I've adjusted my expectations through the years. At the same time I would really like Dior to be something different and I will be glad when we get to finally see another designer's vision. But she's okay for now, I think.

 

[Creative]

Part of me has a feeling that those phrases were aimed more towards their Arab/Asian clientele (the core clientele for Dior's ready-to-wear and Couture lines) who are still fighting for the base rights lots of women in the Western world are able to take for granted.

For couture they do have Arab clients (weddings), but it’s not true that their the main customers for RTW, at all.

 

[Lola701]

For couture they do have Arab clients (weddings), but it’s not true that their the main customers for RTW, at all.

The women people expect to be Hermes clients (some of them are though) are actually Dior clients…
The strength of her proposal is in stores, not on the runway. And the pricing of Dior is very decent…

 

[Cocteau Stone]

It's the usual MGC for Dior parade. It amazes me how she's able to make her RTW collections look so unimpressive on the runway. We also didn't need 15+ of the near exact variants off the shoulder/cold shoulder looks. God awful shoes too.

It'll sell though. It always does. There are some interesting propositions but they fall flat with the styling and presentation.

 

[FashionFanatico]

For couture they do have Arab clients (weddings), but it’s not true that their the main customers for RTW, at all.

that's just not true.
The higher middle class of the middle east loves Dior. Women and Men equally.

 

[michael123]

I'm so bothered.
Especially coming from watching YSL right before this and their winter show for nostalgia.

The two's set design could not be more opposite.

 

[LadyJunon]

I'm so bothered.
Especially coming from watching YSL right before this and their winter show for nostalgia.

The two's set design could not be more opposite.

Both of the show were designed and produced by Bureau Betak too. Two sides of the same coin.

 

[tourbillions]

Even with that bold purple and yellow background, i felt nothingness. some looks felt like she was embodying a less tailored sarah burton and some looks seem like she wants back in valentino.

 

[Nimsay]

IDK - the background seemed to have been developed independently of the collection. The backgrounds usually have nothing to do with the clothes.

MGC prob isnt the one behind this whole Feminism Angle anyway. That may be an interest of hers that had PR magic worked on it. Im imagining edwina monsoon telling MGC shes the Mandela of Fashion.

I considered too these slogans are VERY EDGY for certain Eastern clientele who arent used to Western values. A brand like dior telling a sheika locked in her palace that shes equal? Thats Galliano Homeless HC shocking.

 

[michael123]

Both of the show were designed and produced by Bureau Betak too. Two sides of the same coin.

Interesting. Thank you for sharing. They seem to be designing every major runway. I wish they had someone to go up against.

 

[LadyJunon]

Interesting. Thank you for sharing. They seem to be designing every major runway. I wish they had someone to go up against.

It was worse back in the 80s and 90s, when La Mode En Images did every single major show until Chanel and Dior started revising the runway format to what we see today.

Now, there's three major production companies that do the shows in Milan and Paris. Assuming that there hasn't been any changes this season, the major shows usually split roughly like this:
Bureau Betak
Acne Studios, Bottega Veneta, Chloé, Dior, Fendi, Gucci, Isabel Marant, Jacquemus (co-production with Mode En Image), Maison Margiela, Michael Kors, Saint Laurent, Tom Ford
La Mode En Images
Alexander McQueen (co-production with Gainsbourg and Whiting), Balenciaga, Balmain, Comme Des Garçons, Coperni, Courrèges, Givenchy, Issey Miyake, Jacquemus (co-production with Betak), Louis Vuitton (by Ghesquière), Loewe, Rabanne, Rick Owens, Schiaparelli, Undercover, Valentino, Yohji Yamamoto
Villa Eugènie
AZ Factory, Boss, Chanel, Dries Van Noten, Hermès, Ferragamo (co-production with Urban Production Events), Louis Vuitton (by Pharrell), Miu Miu (co-production with Without Production), MM6, Mugler, Prada (co-production with Without Production)

Despite their high profile clients, their services are surprisingly accessible, starting at around €15'000 to €25'000 for a beginner show in Paris or Milan (probably even less fully digitally). Showing in New York seems to be more expensive for some reason.

 

[ACastleOnACloud]

I've thought through the years about Maria Grazia's basic feminism showcase in her Dior tenure. In a way, it feels kinda like the Barbie movie, that because Barbie and Dior are such big name brands, it's nice that this kind of message, as basic as it is, can be broadcasted to people around the world just because of how big these brands are.

Yes, this basic feminism might be indeed basic for a lot of people that have educated themselves a lot on the topic, probably both online and in real life, and move in circles that have conversations about the topic. But for a lot of women the basic feminism in the Barbie movie had such a feel good emotional reassurance to them because the average person is just not that much into reading and discussing and having challenging conversations about "heavy" topics and for them this basic feminism is already kinda groundbreaking in its straightforwardness. I do wonder if Maria Grazia's Dior's feminism has a similar response. And you know even this basic feminism has backlash, just check those conservative youtubers complaining about fashion brands "going woke" and of course, how they complained about the Barbie movie.

I do think there's a commercial aspect to it, of course. I'm glad that feminism, as basic as this brand of feminism is, is agreed as a good thing socially to be broadcasted around the world. But I have noticed how shy is the House of Dior in the present about LGBT pride, taking into account that Christian was gay and it of course affected his life. I don't expect them to be like, yay, gay pride, all through June, but the total silence is deafening, even in the videos on Dior's official youtube channel about Christian's life. That might not be still as confortable for certain people, I guess, so they rather have Christian to be this sexless creator. Am I overthinking this last bit too much? I don't know. Maybe the Balenciaga hoodies that say "GAY", as ugly as they might be, and some fashion houses doing pride capsule collections have spoiled my expectations.

 

[LadyJunon]

I do think there's a commercial aspect to it, of course. I'm glad that feminism, as basic as this brand of feminism is, is agreed as a good thing socially to be broadcasted around the world. But I have noticed how shy is the House of Dior in the present about LGBT pride, taking into account that Christian was gay and it of course affected his life. I don't expect them to be like, yay, gay pride, all through June, but the total silence is deafening, even in the videos on Dior's official youtube channel about Christian's life. That might not be still as confortable for certain people, I guess, so they rather have Christian to be this sexless creator. Am I overthinking this last bit too much? I don't know. Maybe the Balenciaga hoodies that say "GAY", as ugly as they might be, and some fashion houses doing pride capsule collections have spoiled my expectations.

Interestingly, they (probably unintentionally) acknowledged that aspect of Dior with Galliano's appointment. Galliano's Dior consistent referenced gay subcultures, especially MtF drag. Unfortunately, this approach was often panned for being obscene and misogynistic during that time.

Kering's brands are generally seen as more adventurous in their approach today. For example: Saint Laurent constantly references the founder's hypersexuality, but without the gross fetishisation of (probably underage) Arab boys.

 

[Nimsay]

I've thought through the years about Maria Grazia's basic feminism showcase in her Dior tenure. In a way, it feels kinda like the Barbie movie, that because Barbie and Dior are such big name brands, it's nice that this kind of message, as basic as it is, can be broadcasted to people around the world just because of how big these brands are.

Yes, this basic feminism might be indeed basic for a lot of people that have educated themselves a lot on the topic, probably both online and in real life, and move in circles that have conversations about the topic. But for a lot of women the basic feminism in the Barbie movie had such a feel good emotional reassurance to them because the average person is just not that much into reading and discussing and having challenging conversations about "heavy" topics and for them this basic feminism is already kinda groundbreaking in its straightforwardness. I do wonder if Maria Grazia's Dior's feminism has a similar response. And you know even this basic feminism has backlash, just check those conservative youtubers complaining about fashion brands "going woke" and of course, how they complained about the Barbie movie.

I do think there's a commercial aspect to it, of course. I'm glad that feminism, as basic as this brand of feminism is, is agreed as a good thing socially to be broadcasted around the world. But I have noticed how shy is the House of Dior in the present about LGBT pride, taking into account that Christian was gay and it of course affected his life. I don't expect them to be like, yay, gay pride, all through June, but the total silence is deafening, even in the videos on Dior's official youtube channel about Christian's life. That might not be still as confortable for certain people, I guess, so they rather have Christian to be this sexless creator. Am I overthinking this last bit too much? I don't know. Maybe the Balenciaga hoodies that say "GAY", as ugly as they might be, and some fashion houses doing pride capsule collections have spoiled my expectations.

i mean 3rd wave feminisim is not the basic feminism Dior presents.

Fashion already went woke - now theyre going back to conservative. Why? Because the people crying about 3rd wave feminisim arent buying full price Gucci or whatever. Fashion leads everything - so society is moving in a conservative direction.

people even here say things that a few years ago would be associated with MAGA. Now not so much.

LVMH is trying to sell stuff. If they thought LGBT would sell thats what theyd do. All this confusion thinking companies care about these movements is truly a travesty of the modern age. These companies dont care about you - they care about your wallet.

 

[Nimsay]

Interestingly, they (probably unintentionally) acknowledged that aspect of Dior with Galliano's appointment. Galliano's Dior consistent referenced gay subcultures, especially MtF drag. Unfortunately, this approach was often panned for being obscene and misogynistic during that time.

i mean everyone knows the best designers are gay men. We dont need them to acknowledge that. Yea youre homophobic but youre still gonna come up off the money!!! Dont you want that Lady Dior !?

imagine forcing people to suspend their own personal beliefs in order to be in fashion. Good!!!