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I went to see a double feature of Vinyl followed by Kitchen at the NFT here in London and Edie stole both shows. I've seen Vinyl before, but it was so different up on the big screen....really wonderful. She got the biggest reaction from the audience, every time she knocked something down or smiled...she was the only reason the audience made any noise..it was really quite something to be witness to that. I didn't know how the crowd would react and I questioned why some people were there....ahem.......and then in Kitchen she was AMAZING! I mean....you couldn't help but be mesmerized and smiling throughout. It was great picture, with all the mistakes and flaws, it was beautiful. And people were laughing like crazy every time she'd sneeze (she had a bad cold)...there was moment when she was spanking the other actor and then went into a sneezing fit in the midst....I honestly can't find the words. It's such a different experience to see her up there on the big screen. She was so human, but glowing...with something that just made her stand out. And I actually think she was a damn good actress! She was really brave and if you didn't hear the other guy in the picture whispering her lines to her you wouldn't have guessed she kept forgetting them, because she spoke them with such fervour and enthusiasm. It's also unbelievable how much she reminded me of Marilyn Monroe....she really looked like her. Like an Underground Marilyn Monroe. If you ever get the chance to see her at the movies, don't pass it up! It's incredible! I'm off to see Inner/Outer space & Lupe tomorrow, cannot wait.......
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oh I am sooo jealous!
you have to report on Lupe tomorrow, I have always wanted to see that movie..
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^^^
O I definately will then! I didn't know if anyone wanted to hear about it, but it really haunted me & was such an amazing experience I had to pour it out.
And I'm really excited about Lupe, I'm with you on always wanting to see it.....I'll be detailed
O I definately will then! I didn't know if anyone wanted to hear about it, but it really haunted me & was such an amazing experience I had to pour it out.
And I'm really excited about Lupe, I'm with you on always wanting to see it.....I'll be detailed
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^^^
O I definately will then! I didn't know if anyone wanted to hear about it, but it really haunted me & was such an amazing experience I had to pour it out.
And I'm really excited about Lupe, I'm with you on always wanting to see it.....I'll be detailed
You're so lucky to view them on the big screen!! I can't wait to hear about Lupe
A lot of my favorite Edie photos come from that movie.wow thank you so much!!! I love hearing about Edie
. But i still can't understand why some ppl think she's like Marilyn Monroe, i just can't see it.edie sedgwick was so much more than a sex symbole IMO, and i've seen some films with MM, but i didn't like her at all..sorry
^ I think she only meant that they have a bit of resemblance physically, not that they were similar as people although, I could see how someone would make that connection...
I've often thought Edie kind of looked like Marilyn as well. Their facial features were both quite round, soft, and almost baby-like... I think they were both very cute
But of course that's really just my opinion. I have a feeling I've posted something very similar to this before... but oh well.
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Edie pictures all from this thread... by Billy Name I'd say
lizzardqueen, you are sooo lucky!!! I wish I could see Kitchen... actually I saw this guy selling it at the rose bowl flea market, it was a questionable VHS for $20... I decided I'd rather just wait. I hope a screening event like that comes to LA one, wonderful day !!!!
although, I could see how someone would make that connection... I've often thought Edie kind of looked like Marilyn as well. Their facial features were both quite round, soft, and almost baby-like... I think they were both very cute
But of course that's really just my opinion. I have a feeling I've posted something very similar to this before... but oh well.
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Edie pictures all from this thread... by Billy Name I'd say
lizzardqueen, you are sooo lucky!!! I wish I could see Kitchen... actually I saw this guy selling it at the rose bowl flea market, it was a questionable VHS for $20... I decided I'd rather just wait. I hope a screening event like that comes to LA one, wonderful day !!!!
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Oh i can't wait to hear about Lupe! I've always wondered what that movie was like. Thanks for the details about Kitchen! Edie has always reminded me of Marilyn as well, i don't know what it is but sometimes i'll see an Edie clip or photo and think she looks so much like her and other times not so much.
^ I think they both have that childlike, vulnerable, babyface quality (that is so easily flattered by a mop of platinum blonde hair). And they were both very fashionable, talented, and late, haha
But then, so was Marilyn
but edie wasn't about sex IMO she was so childlike and a bit naive, like trying to find out what the world was all about. But to me MMi IS all about sex, the was she dressed and did her makeup, i mean, would she even have been famous if she hadn't looked the way she did?
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Oh I'm sooo jealous of you haha. Can't wait to hear about Lupe!
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Obviously Marilyn and Edie are completely different they really have nothing in common. I just think that Edie resembles Marilyn in some photos, but they are totally different.
I agree, they are completely different!
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Hey ladies & germs! About what I said about Edie & Marilyn, I only meant physically. Sometimes I watch Marilyn and I think, wow she looks like Edie here so much! But because they are so different and such individuals I don't always see it, like in Outer & Inner Space it just....so EDIE...I even tried to see Marilyn in her, but it was just Edie. Other times I'm like, whoa! Wow! A lot of the time it's Marilyn's eyes that make me think of Edie, and when I was watching Edie in the other films it was just her cute ways of speakin, her expressions and physically she looked like Monroe. Like other people here have said, it's maybe their soft rounded features etc. I think as people they're nothing alike, with completely different spirits about them. I don't think Marilyn was simply a sex symbol, I've liked her for years and I have read a lot about her, she's a fascinating and melancholy woman with a lot of depth and mystery to her and her story.
Alrighty, this is going to be a long post!!
.....Outer & Inner Space is mindblowing on the big screen. Very different experience, in fact, all the Edie films I saw have a different impact on the big screen, it's really something else seeing them up there in that big dark room.........
Space had such bad audio I only made out about two or three sentances throughout the whole picture, but it was still wonderful and never dull to watch. Which is simply unheard of! Haha! I heard women discussing in the bathroom that despite the fact you couldn't hear anything it was still great to watch and remained interesting......which is true, I was glad others felt that. The film was projected in double screen so there were like 4 images of her up there. She's incredible! I mean......every movement......so honest, sweet, beautiful. She'd make these incredibly cute and silly faces and she'd do impressions. There was a moment when she sneezed on one of the screens and Edie who was sat beside that TV screen of herself jumped because it scared her then started trying to fake sneeze and seeing if it sounded the same. It was just freakin enchanting..........She had this discomfort from seeing the image of herself in profile right beside and behind her...she seemed unnerved and it was a strange and interesting conflict to watch happen in real time before you onscreen...........there was one moment when she looked right into the camera with those huge dark eyes, that carried such innocence and honesty and something so fragile yet daring.....and it was such a striking moment I felt this jolt like WHOA....Is she looking at me??? Can anyone else see it???? Haha! She has pressence alright.
Okay, Lupe! Just a little info for anyone who doesn't know: the film is about a real Hollywood actress called Lupe Velez who committed suicide in 1944 from a lethal overdose of Seconal. She wanted to have a 'beautiful' suicide, she wanted to die on her bed amongst many flowers...but ended up dying with her head in the toilet
Lupe was also presented in double screen and because it was based on a beginning, middle, end/true storyline it had that more conventional-film feel, but NOT in a bad way, much the opposite. The double screen showed two contrasting Edie's.......and whether it was acting or real emotion in the melancholy Edie on the left side....it was really moving. And I keep thinking...watching these films.....how much potential Edie had as a real actress.....Warhol wanted her to be her in his films....so if she'd taken other endevours I think she would really have shone. With the right guidence of a good director I really believe that.....she was brave on screen, she had the guts to give it her all.
So on we go......on the right side was the image you all must know of Edie asleep in a pink nighty facing a mirror. Curled up she looked like a child...I mean, a tiny child.......there was almost no distinguishing...apart from the fact that a child probably wouldn't have dyed blond hair. On the left side of the screen was a room (reportedly located in the infamous Dakota - where 'Rosemary's Baby' would later be filmed and John Lennon would be slain), a mantle piece with a mirror above and a round dark wood table with a meal set out. Whilst Edie slept on the right, another Edie walked into shot on the left in a long blue dress. She put some flowers on the mantle, she put some flowers on the table, she walked around, moving slowly, touching a petal here, standing there......she then went to sit at the table and drank from a glass of white wine.
Then Edie on the right started to wake up and the camera would zoom in and out incessently (sorry for any terrible spelling) on both screens, here and there. Anyhoo, when she was waking up and rubbing her eyes and rosy, sleepy face I was just blown away by how much like a small little girl she looked...so tiny, so vulnerable, just like a child. Then she reached over from out of shot and took out a box of cigarettes and started smoking...such a funny image.....this childlike Being smoking cigarettes so naturally you can't picture her without them. Then the phone rings and she picks it up and sits on the bed having a conversation until Billy Name walks in and she hangs up. Billy walks into shot and starts talking to her, he's wearing shades and you can't make out what they say . Whilst this is happening Edie in blue is smoking a cigarette over her meal, and she starts to fall asleep, her head lolls dangerously over her food until she almost falls face first into her plate. When she rouses she seems a little out of sorts and continues smoking.
Okay, let me just mention that Edie in pink is wearing not a drop of makeup and Edie in blue is sitting with her eyes perfectly done, hair perfectly in place. Edie in blue has this essence of loneliness strung all about her....in contrast to the laughter and conversations happening on the other screen it stands out even more. It was really quite powerful....there was just this deep-set melancholy in Blue Edie...in way that looked like it's been there so long that it's a part of her and she's not even bothered anymore....does that make sense? It was...really honest. Really real. In a way that showed either that Edie was acting really wonderfully or feeling those things at that moment in time...or maybe she was tired or it was something to do with the drugs at the time (1965)..maybe eating away at her somewhat....and it created the illusion...but either way, it worked, there was something so strong and moving. I know people say it was just Edie being Edie, which it was, I'm not saying she was trying to be the real Lupe...but there was a difference in the two screens...in essence and emotion. It seemed almost like...an Edie preparing for filming on the right and then the shooting on the left. I guess that was my interpretation, it's Art, it's our right to interpret haha!
Edie in pink starts getting her hair trimmed in the back by Billy Name and they're talking and smiling. Then she gets her makeup kit out and starts doing her makeup in a smaller golden mirror she puts on the bed. The guy also gives her a red feather and she backcombs the top and back of her head so there's this tuft and sticks the red feather in there, then proceeds to wear it for the rest of the film.
Blue Edie picks up a kitten and puts it on the table...she's stroking it, then it falls off the table with a loud thud and she just looks down for a second then continues to sit sadly. She opens a bottle of red wine that was stood on the table and pours herself a glass, picks up the glass and clinks it against the other glass with the white wine, cheers to herself (awwww damn it) and drinks it. Edie in pink and the man keep talking and she keeps applying her make up. Edie in Blue gets up and turns on some music, stands still for a bit then starts mildy dancing to it, a sway here and a sway there. She never cracks a smile. She takes a flower off the mantle and it's broken, it's head is drooping, and she starts dancing with it in hand. It's such a reflection of her character in that scene, it's so poignant, whether it was meant to be or not...the beauty lay in the fact that none of it felt forced, strained or unreal.
Then there comes a moment when Edie in blue sits back down to eat her meal and after a little bit of chewing she picks up the plate and starts dancing as she eats. She was twirling round like a ballerina in a music box, slowly to the music. The she put the plate on her palm, atop her fingers and started twirling it round and round above her head. Then she just sits back down again and continues drinking her wine.
It was really wonderful to get to see her face close up, her move, her just BEING. Her hands, in both films, move like birds, they fly around with such grace, her fingers always flowing like little rivers. She looks like a child, but her eyes show wisdom as well as innocence. And her voice is very very mature. She's very well spoken and if you didn't know her you'd think it was a fairly old woman. Not in bad way, not at all! It's just very different from her visually.....it's a VERY mature and strong voice. I love that though...the contradictions.... makes her beautiful and human.
So...then Edie in Blue walks out of shot with her broken flower and that screen goes blank as does the other one after a short pause. The next shot lingers for very long, a few minutes for sure, maybe 5 but probably more. The double screen somehow splits into two more, so there are two big images on the main screens and like mirror reflections in there too, so it's four images of Edie over the toilet with her head gently resting on the rim. On the left she's in a slightly different position than on the right, it hits you hard. And because it lingers on the screen for soooo long with nothing but the hiss of the silent audio....it really moves you....because.....unlike most films where they put in a shot like that for mere moments so it shocks...this goes way beyond...her death is there eternally, not changing, not moving......like in life. We can't just see it, understand what happened and have it gone from sight. It stayed before us, nowhere to go....Was someone coming to find her? It was so lonely...so sad, I didn't expect it to be so hitting....and then of course it makes you think of Edie's death.......how eerie then the image before you becomes. She's like that broken flower with the bent head...looking like an angel, fallen......it's like her doom was playing out before our eyes.........
It really was incredible. I tried to get as much detail as possible, if there are any more questions though I'm sure I'll remember something else. The films linger on and on........I couldn't recommend going to see them more! If you have the chance, go for it! It'll haunt you. I ran across London like a madwoman today to make it on time, I nearly died I swear to God.....my heart was burning as I sat down and I couldn't breathe...but damn it it was worth it.
Alrighty, hope I didn't bore the pants of you guys, I wish everyone could get the chance to see them...but in this life, anything is possible, right I'm sure it'll happen 
Alrighty, this is going to be a long post!!
.....Outer & Inner Space is mindblowing on the big screen. Very different experience, in fact, all the Edie films I saw have a different impact on the big screen, it's really something else seeing them up there in that big dark room.........
Space had such bad audio I only made out about two or three sentances throughout the whole picture, but it was still wonderful and never dull to watch. Which is simply unheard of! Haha! I heard women discussing in the bathroom that despite the fact you couldn't hear anything it was still great to watch and remained interesting......which is true, I was glad others felt that. The film was projected in double screen so there were like 4 images of her up there. She's incredible! I mean......every movement......so honest, sweet, beautiful. She'd make these incredibly cute and silly faces and she'd do impressions. There was a moment when she sneezed on one of the screens and Edie who was sat beside that TV screen of herself jumped because it scared her then started trying to fake sneeze and seeing if it sounded the same. It was just freakin enchanting..........She had this discomfort from seeing the image of herself in profile right beside and behind her...she seemed unnerved and it was a strange and interesting conflict to watch happen in real time before you onscreen...........there was one moment when she looked right into the camera with those huge dark eyes, that carried such innocence and honesty and something so fragile yet daring.....and it was such a striking moment I felt this jolt like WHOA....Is she looking at me??? Can anyone else see it???? Haha! She has pressence alright.
Okay, Lupe! Just a little info for anyone who doesn't know: the film is about a real Hollywood actress called Lupe Velez who committed suicide in 1944 from a lethal overdose of Seconal. She wanted to have a 'beautiful' suicide, she wanted to die on her bed amongst many flowers...but ended up dying with her head in the toilet
Lupe was also presented in double screen and because it was based on a beginning, middle, end/true storyline it had that more conventional-film feel, but NOT in a bad way, much the opposite. The double screen showed two contrasting Edie's.......and whether it was acting or real emotion in the melancholy Edie on the left side....it was really moving. And I keep thinking...watching these films.....how much potential Edie had as a real actress.....Warhol wanted her to be her in his films....so if she'd taken other endevours I think she would really have shone. With the right guidence of a good director I really believe that.....she was brave on screen, she had the guts to give it her all.
So on we go......on the right side was the image you all must know of Edie asleep in a pink nighty facing a mirror. Curled up she looked like a child...I mean, a tiny child.......there was almost no distinguishing...apart from the fact that a child probably wouldn't have dyed blond hair. On the left side of the screen was a room (reportedly located in the infamous Dakota - where 'Rosemary's Baby' would later be filmed and John Lennon would be slain), a mantle piece with a mirror above and a round dark wood table with a meal set out. Whilst Edie slept on the right, another Edie walked into shot on the left in a long blue dress. She put some flowers on the mantle, she put some flowers on the table, she walked around, moving slowly, touching a petal here, standing there......she then went to sit at the table and drank from a glass of white wine.
Then Edie on the right started to wake up and the camera would zoom in and out incessently (sorry for any terrible spelling) on both screens, here and there. Anyhoo, when she was waking up and rubbing her eyes and rosy, sleepy face I was just blown away by how much like a small little girl she looked...so tiny, so vulnerable, just like a child. Then she reached over from out of shot and took out a box of cigarettes and started smoking...such a funny image.....this childlike Being smoking cigarettes so naturally you can't picture her without them. Then the phone rings and she picks it up and sits on the bed having a conversation until Billy Name walks in and she hangs up. Billy walks into shot and starts talking to her, he's wearing shades and you can't make out what they say
. Whilst this is happening Edie in blue is smoking a cigarette over her meal, and she starts to fall asleep, her head lolls dangerously over her food until she almost falls face first into her plate. When she rouses she seems a little out of sorts and continues smoking. Okay, let me just mention that Edie in pink is wearing not a drop of makeup and Edie in blue is sitting with her eyes perfectly done, hair perfectly in place. Edie in blue has this essence of loneliness strung all about her....in contrast to the laughter and conversations happening on the other screen it stands out even more. It was really quite powerful....there was just this deep-set melancholy in Blue Edie...in way that looked like it's been there so long that it's a part of her and she's not even bothered anymore....does that make sense? It was...really honest. Really real. In a way that showed either that Edie was acting really wonderfully or feeling those things at that moment in time...or maybe she was tired or it was something to do with the drugs at the time (1965)..maybe eating away at her somewhat....and it created the illusion...but either way, it worked, there was something so strong and moving. I know people say it was just Edie being Edie, which it was, I'm not saying she was trying to be the real Lupe...but there was a difference in the two screens...in essence and emotion. It seemed almost like...an Edie preparing for filming on the right and then the shooting on the left. I guess that was my interpretation, it's Art, it's our right to interpret
haha!Edie in pink starts getting her hair trimmed in the back by Billy Name and they're talking and smiling. Then she gets her makeup kit out and starts doing her makeup in a smaller golden mirror she puts on the bed. The guy also gives her a red feather and she backcombs the top and back of her head so there's this tuft and sticks the red feather in there, then proceeds to wear it for the rest of the film.
Blue Edie picks up a kitten and puts it on the table...she's stroking it, then it falls off the table with a loud thud and she just looks down for a second then continues to sit sadly. She opens a bottle of red wine that was stood on the table and pours herself a glass, picks up the glass and clinks it against the other glass with the white wine, cheers to herself (awwww damn it) and drinks it. Edie in pink and the man keep talking and she keeps applying her make up. Edie in Blue gets up and turns on some music, stands still for a bit then starts mildy dancing to it, a sway here and a sway there. She never cracks a smile. She takes a flower off the mantle and it's broken, it's head is drooping, and she starts dancing with it in hand. It's such a reflection of her character in that scene, it's so poignant, whether it was meant to be or not...the beauty lay in the fact that none of it felt forced, strained or unreal.
Then there comes a moment when Edie in blue sits back down to eat her meal and after a little bit of chewing she picks up the plate and starts dancing as she eats. She was twirling round like a ballerina in a music box, slowly to the music. The she put the plate on her palm, atop her fingers and started twirling it round and round above her head. Then she just sits back down again and continues drinking her wine.
It was really wonderful to get to see her face close up, her move, her just BEING. Her hands, in both films, move like birds, they fly around with such grace, her fingers always flowing like little rivers. She looks like a child, but her eyes show wisdom as well as innocence. And her voice is very very mature. She's very well spoken and if you didn't know her you'd think it was a fairly old woman. Not in bad way, not at all! It's just very different from her visually.....it's a VERY mature and strong voice. I love that though...the contradictions.... makes her beautiful and human.
So...then Edie in Blue walks out of shot with her broken flower and that screen goes blank as does the other one after a short pause. The next shot lingers for very long, a few minutes for sure, maybe 5 but probably more. The double screen somehow splits into two more, so there are two big images on the main screens and like mirror reflections in there too, so it's four images of Edie over the toilet with her head gently resting on the rim. On the left she's in a slightly different position than on the right, it hits you hard. And because it lingers on the screen for soooo long with nothing but the hiss of the silent audio....it really moves you....because.....unlike most films where they put in a shot like that for mere moments so it shocks...this goes way beyond...her death is there eternally, not changing, not moving......like in life. We can't just see it, understand what happened and have it gone from sight. It stayed before us, nowhere to go....Was someone coming to find her? It was so lonely...so sad, I didn't expect it to be so hitting....and then of course it makes you think of Edie's death.......how eerie then the image before you becomes. She's like that broken flower with the bent head...looking like an angel, fallen......it's like her doom was playing out before our eyes.........
It really was incredible. I tried to get as much detail as possible, if there are any more questions though I'm sure I'll remember something else. The films linger on and on........I couldn't recommend going to see them more! If you have the chance, go for it! It'll haunt you. I ran across London like a madwoman today to make it on time, I nearly died I swear to God.....my heart was burning as I sat down and I couldn't breathe...but damn it it was worth it.
Alrighty, hope I didn't bore the pants of you guys, I wish everyone could get the chance to see them...but in this life, anything is possible, right
I'm sure it'll happen IcePrincess
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awesome...Thank you for the detailed review Lizzardqueen
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Lizzardqueen, thank you SO much for that!! It's nice to hear so much detail about her movies because you can't really anywhere else. I hope i get the chance to see more of her movies, i'm REALLY curious! I tried to give you karma but it wouldn't let me
What were Edie and Billy Name talking about?
What were Edie and Billy Name talking about?
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