Edie Sedgwick #1

[rocketqueen707]

yes you can see them here http://www.absentcinema.com/ just click on blog and scroll down...they have the full movie.

 

[poetiquez]

edie is among a fleet of girls who truly defined the look of their particular era. i find her to be beautiful and inspiring.

by the way- i bought the film [factory girl] a few weeks ago and loved it but was curious. is sienna/edie carrying a balenciaga motorcycle bag in one scene?

 

[Little Tiny]

Yes.I watched that movie too and it totally ripped my heart out.
I LOVE Edie so much....

 

[babydoll1125]

Someone told me in the commentary for Factory Girl the director actually says that he didn't care what Edie/Warhol fans thought of the film and that he wanted it to be for people who had no idea who Edie was...this scares me. When is Girl On Fire coming out!!

 

[lizzardqueen]

Someone told me in the commentary for Factory Girl the director actually says that he didn't care what Edie/Warhol fans thought of the film and that he wanted it to be for people who had no idea who Edie was...this scares me. When is Girl On Fire coming out!!

Good God! Are you serious??? That's horrendous.......oh I see...that way they won't spot all the horrid mistakes Yeah, maybe he set out to introduce her to people who had no idea before. But that would happen anyway, even if you try and make it accurate and satisfy the fans and people who knew her. It's about being honest...and trying your hardest. This is someone's life we're talking about....I hated all the made-up sh*t. And the way some people were portrayed....it seemed 2D. It just made me sad and angry. If it was a fiction film, I think I would have much more respect for it, would have actually enjoyed it. But it wasn't magic. And it didn't capture the magic of Edie. And I just saw only a tiny part of who she was. And I don't know the whole being of her either...no one does....but that film captured barely any portion of the haunting magic that is her, that we do know and see......it's sad that the Director said that. I don't understand his philosophy on that. It is scary indeed.

 

[dumbledore-lives]

personally, i don't see the big deal about what the director said; in fact, it seems like he is doing more for Edie's legacy and for ART and for that era than hording her to the 'true fans.' that's just pure arrogance, not to mention insulting.

sorry. i know that what i just said is rather aggressive. but it's how i feel, and there really isn't another place to put it.

plus, i don't think Edie wanted to be an underground fashion topic. i think she wanted to be big. (and yes, that is a really bad ironical pun.)

 

[lizzardqueen]

No, you don't sound aggressive, we're all free to speak our minds! I know what you're saying about it seeming arrogant.....but it's not that. I know that's not how I feel anyway............what shocked me about what he said..and this may be simply because I want to go into filmmaking, it's my whole life, my biggest passion.....it shocked me because it was so narrow. And the big deal to me isn't the fact he didn't care about pleasing the fans....the connection with that is simple. The fans would be looking for truth....some sort of sign the film was done with love and that it would hopefully capture something splendid that was in the Edie story. The pleasing of fans and people who knew her would entail in being honest and thorough. The film wasn't.
I'm not going to go further into a debate about what Edie would have wanted to be....I think that could get really complex. And I think if anything would be helpful in making her big it would be a documentary...with HER in it. That would be far more beautiful. The only reason this film is upsetting is because many people, me included, hence my own upset, think that it wasn't a TO THE CORE portrayl of Edie Sedgwick. And all the people who never knew her before will see someone else on that screen. I heard opinions from friends who saw the film without knowing her....and no one had anything to say that reminded me of the real Edie. In fact, a lot of people had lots of negetive things to say that didn't relate to her personality.

But listen, man....yeah, Art will always spurr different opinions. It's good to express ourselves, but no use tryin to fight other people's opinions. I accept anyone else's thoughts, even if they oppose mine, because we're driven by different experiences. And I wasnt tryin to enforce my thoughts, just expressing myself.

 

[fairyx]

yes you can see them here http://www.absentcinema.com/ just click on blog and scroll down...they have the full movie.

actually they don´t show them at that site anymore. The Andy Warhol Museum threaten to sue the website.

 

[lizzardqueen]

P.S. No one was talking about 'true fans'. I wasn't anyway...I was just talking about TRUTH......I don't believe in the whole fan-egomania. However you 'discover' Edie everyone is entitled to feel and to live and to like whoever, whenever. But people hold Edie dear in their hearts and for some dude who decided to expose her story on celluloid to say he didn't give a rats *** about those people...it's kinda strange. Maybe he should have put it a better way. Maybe to say...the film isn't just for some people...it's for the whole world...maybe even for Edie herself...but no, that's not what he said.

 

[zembla]

I think the movie did wonders for preserving her image...and with the movie brought a bunch of new books to light...she sort of had a rebirth over the past year...well her image and story anyway.

I know there were a lot of people on here opposed to the film and I remember someone posting here claiming to be a part of her family and also dissing it constantly, but it's just a film. And I think the DVD was really made for Edie/Warhol fans...the special features alone show that and a lot of people close to her were invovled in the picture so that speaks volumes...

 

[dumbledore-lives]

can we get into a dialogue about this? i find it interesting...

the way i see it is that she wasn't a sympathetic person; intriguing, stylish, tragic, yes, but not someone with whom one might empathize. and so, for reasons of narrative and catharsis, they had to change bits of her story to make her more marketable to the masses (which it ultimately failed to do, but that's neither here nor there) who go to movies to see the 'triumph of the human spirit.' (i totally and completely apologize for such a tragic phrase; my sister and i have been making fun of it constantly since we read it in the newspaper because what does it even mean?????)
i also think that it was done entirely with passion; Sienna Miller really cared about Edie as much as any 'true fan,' and i think the director, in his desire to market her to as many people as possible, did it out of admiration.
i think there is nothing wrong with tweeking the 'core portrayal' of Edie because, otherwise, it would have been this self-destructive display of narcissism. and maybe i give too much credit to the unwashed masses, but if one's interest is sparked, then one will follow through in attempts to find out as much as possible about said interest. in fact, 'factory girl' has probably opened up the discourse on Edie and pop art moreso than any other marketing in the past couple of years.

(however, i feel like i HAVE given too much credit because after 'Troy' came out, all i could think about was how Homer must be rolling over in his grave.)

 

[dumbledore-lives]

^ ah. i was responding to lizzardqueen, and did not realize anything else had been said.
edit edit edit.

 

[lizzardqueen]

can we get into a dialogue about this? i find it interesting...

the way i see it is that she wasn't a sympathetic person; intriguing, stylish, tragic, yes, but not someone with whom one might empathize. and so, for reasons of narrative and catharsis, they had to change bits of her story to make her more marketable to the masses (which it ultimately failed to do, but that's neither here nor there) who go to movies to see the 'triumph of the human spirit.' (i totally and completely apologize for such a tragic phrase; my sister and i have been making fun of it constantly since we read it in the newspaper because what does it even mean?????)
i also think that it was done entirely with passion; Sienna Miller really cared about Edie as much as any 'true fan,' and i think the director, in his desire to market her to as many people as possible, did it out of admiration.
i think there is nothing wrong with tweeking the 'core portrayal' of Edie because, otherwise, it would have been this self-destructive display of narcissism. and maybe i give too much credit to the unwashed masses, but if one's interest is sparked, then one will follow through in attempts to find out as much as possible about said interest. in fact, 'factory girl' has probably opened up the discourse on Edie and pop art moreso than any other marketing in the past couple of years.

(however, i feel like i HAVE given too much credit because after 'Troy' came out, all i could think about was how Homer must be rolling over in his grave.)

Your first few lines....exactly what I'm talking about. To me it's taking the audience for fools, much of Hollywood likes to go down that road too. Give you what they think you want to see. I hated how they made her a wreck, a victim.......it would have been much more honest, becautiful, powerful to try and capture her as honestly, even objectively as possible. Let the audience make up their own minds. Haha! Lord...good point, what does it mean...'the triumph of the human spirit'...? But yes I know Sienna was passionate about it...but she wasn't Edie to me. Not at all. She didn't have her essence. I know it's f*ckin difficult to ask of an actor...but it's almost like Sienna couldn't see the whole woman. I'm not a Sienna fan at all, so I'll stop there. The script was appauling. Many people were terribly stereotyped. Her father for one...that was a heinous performance. Many scenes simply did not happen...I know what you're saying, that it opened doors and peeked people's interests...I'm not against that. Thank God....yes, it's wonderful that it all adds to keeping her memory alive and burning. But I just didn't like the film. It didn't have to change so much, it didn't have to look so wrong or feel so wrong. But that's just me, just my opinion and I'm not going to argue with anyone else who feels differently. I respect that! It's not my call to judge. I just felt saddened by it. Personally. Probably has a lot to do with the fact that film what I want to do with my life, and I'm very critical. Factory Girl was no Sid and Nancy. A remarkable film...it managed to be creative...truly as if worked by an atist. It didn't pull any strings or cheat by turning on the masses. It fanatazied the ending, but still managed to be as honest as possible. You felt the actors just bled their souls dry in front of the camera. Bio-pics are so hard to get right...but I don't respect them for being half-***ed. You either go all the way, be brave, be bold, be honest...or don't do it all.

Again, just my feelings. No right or wrong. I'm not tryin to convince you against the film. And even if Edie herself liked it, I just can't....

 

[babydoll1125]

First of all, this movie has absolutely nothing to do with art. For anyone who knows anything about cinema this movie was horrible, even for those who don't know who Edie is. It's just a bad movie, bad acting, Sienna and Guy aren't even bad actors and i'm not blaiming them, but overall the acting was BAD. Secondly, the whole story of this movie is saying Bob Dylan and Edie had a serious relationship...no one knows if this is true and even if it is it is not THAT significant in Edie's story, so why make it the main story of the movie?? Thirdly, the people who knew Edie who were associated with this film were either in it for some extra cash/fame, were trying to bring some truth to a fictional story, or are crazy! Liberty Bell said that Jonathan is a bit off and the rest of the family didn't approve.

 

[babydoll1125]

First impressions mean a lot and it kills me that this will be so many people's first impression of Edie. Even if it does lead them to launch an investigation on Edie and discover her for what she REALLY was and what ACTUALLY happened, this terrible film will still be their first impression.

 

[madison01]

I agree, babydoll. All biases aside, it was plainly and simply just a bad movie. The script especially was rubbish. And Hickenlooper is always full of crap when he talks about Factory Girl. I've seen his posts in message boards shamelessly promoting and defending his film, and he makes it so apparent that his ego overshadows any sort of regard for the truth. He also likes to flaunt his hatred for Weisman, and it's funny that he accuses him of cashing in on Edie! Ugh that man annoys me. (Random tidbit: he said Mischa Barton and Jessica Biel were auditioned for Edie's part )

And what's sad is that people actually BELIEVE the film. Oh, the things I've seen people say all over the web! And in person!

 

[lizzardqueen]

I agree, babydoll. All biases aside, it was plainly and simply just a bad movie. The script especially was rubbish. And Hickenlooper is always full of crap when he talks about Factory Girl. I've seen his posts in message boards shamelessly promoting and defending his film, and he makes it so apparent that his ego overshadows any sort of regard for the truth. He also likes to flaunt his hatred for Weisman, and it's funny that he accuses him of cashing in on Edie! Ugh that man annoys me. (Random tidbit: he said Mischa Barton and Jessica Biel were auditioned for Edie's part )

And what's sad is that people actually BELIEVE the film. Oh, the things I've seen people say all over the web! And in person!

Wow...what a corrupt popularity game. I didn't know behind the scenes. No wonder it feels so wrong watching it....it was all done for bad reasons. Mischa Barton and Jessican Biel? Further shows how truth and genuine love for the project weren't in the minds of the makers.

 

[lost in kyoto]

"factory girl" was hilariously stupid. as lou reed said "factory girl is a wh*re".. or something to that effect. i'd rather see a good documentry on her life than the sappy overwrought film with sienna miller, who in my opinion her acting is cringeworthy and should be honored with a razzie for that performance of a lifetime.

 

[zembla]

First of all, this movie has absolutely nothing to do with art. For anyone who knows anything about cinema this movie was horrible, even for those who don't know who Edie is. It's just a bad movie, bad acting, Sienna and Guy aren't even bad actors and i'm not blaiming them, but overall the acting was BAD. Secondly, the whole story of this movie is saying Bob Dylan and Edie had a serious relationship...no one knows if this is true and even if it is it is not THAT significant in Edie's story, so why make it the main story of the movie?? Thirdly, the people who knew Edie who were associated with this film were either in it for some extra cash/fame, were trying to bring some truth to a fictional story, or are crazy! Liberty Bell said that Jonathan is a bit off and the rest of the family didn't approve.

I thought Guy and Sienna were amazing...and I do not believe some random poster on a messageboard about what the family thinks...That's exactly what I was talking about, I remember that poster going on and on, it's just odd...I don't understand why people look down on this movie when it was the reason there was such a resurgence of Edie all of a sudden...

Just my opinion but...even in the Edie documentary on the DVD...many of her friends and relatives met with Sienna and were invovled in the film. Again that says something...

 

[nel16]

^ Edie was a socialite and met and knew LOADS of people during her time, so of course there's going to be an attention-hungry group of people to milk their relationship with Edie for some bad Hollywood movie. Or maybe, hopefully they didn't realize that they were supporting the type of movie they were. You can't go by what poor choices some have made.

Libery Bell was not "just some random person", she's been a very kind, thoughtful member here who has provided Edie fans with several unseen family photos and other insights and she contributed a lot more to this thread than some people who's main contribution is defending Factory Girl.