But, Kit and others, what can one expect from the house of Sander? How can one move such degree of minimalism forward exactly? Jil or the design team - I couldn't tell the difference for the life of me. But this is exactly while Jil and Helmut will always crash and burn without their namesake designers. That was my point all along - that people don't simply buy their clothes - they buy a certain state of mind, or an aura if you will, that comes with what the namesake designers of these labels have come to represent.