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Lady Gaga on MTV Boiling Points (3 years ago)

Read the entire article. Is there an explanation needed for what she does? Mj liked to garb his crotch.:lol: Was that just him paying homage to fertility gods? It's just pop music. Simple.

Even if is her or her production team decided to take ideas from some sort of occult book, it's really not nothing to write home about ,Call the news, pop artist uses pseudo esoteric images in her videos, something never done before, very original.

I think when people start seeing a hidden significance in a checkered floor a visit to the local health facility is really the next step.



That was the most ignorant post I have ever read on TFS. Just thought I'd share that.
 
To say that people who study what is being presented to them rather than just eat it up without question are mentally insane, is nothing short of ignorant.
 
Anyway, back to my point. I understand where you are coming from as someone who hasn't studied the insides of the world of pop culture, subliminal messages, or "blah blah blah" as per what most of you are thinking. However, as someone who has, I have to admit that I should have pointed out from the beginning that the heads of Viacom (owners of MTV, etc), top heads of Universal, etc are themselves occult members. I could break down the MTV music awards and show you how the entire award show this season was staged as an occult ceremony but I've made my point enought. It's not just Gaga, Kanye West, Beyonce, Rihanna - there have been transitions in their personas and music after the coming of success that DIRECTLY and OBVIOUSLY incorporate these messages and blatantly put the message out there. Whether they are aware of this or it is just the direction of their handlers brought on by higher figures in the industry that have knowledge of the messages - that is something that I do not know. But it would be ignorant of me to believe that they have no idea. Furthermore, it would be ignorant of you to not at all take into consideration that a force as strong and influential and pop culture/media has not been recruited by higher forces in the world as a stage for their messages as well.

How many people watch the MTV awards and show? How many people have knowledge of the illuminati's recruitment of pop culture as their stage? The numbers speak for themselves. The highest powers in the world would be the absolute dumbest if they didn't take advantage of the hold that pop culture has on the world for their own agenda.

What I posted may not be the extent because it's not my full time job to make people "believe" but I thought I would share - I encourage you to take some time to do some research on the topic.

I think if you should take anything from this it's that you give evil the most power when you don't believe that it exists. Don't be so quick to deny. What if the courts of law did this?


;)

not denying the Illuminati dont exist but pop culture and rock have been using their symbols as long as i can remember (Blue Oyster Cult, Ozzy, Alice Cooper, LedZep...) the music industry loves using it.. because it's cool? it's appropriate to the song being sung? cool to the singer/s or band's image? whatever it is they've glamourized it for years.

years ago in the 70's and 80's for instance the rampant usage of dark magic, hidden messages in vinyls when played backwards, had the record industry preferably heavy metal accused of this, however, not in so much as saying they're Illuminatis but more like singing about it which led critics accusing said singers of practicing such cult...so this Illuminati symbolism and hidden messages in videos and/or songs is nothing new.

anything that will sell to the public has some sort of hidden messages to get the consumer's attention to get interested and buy (ex. Lady Gaga's video). it's harmless, unless, you delve into it deeper to the point of being a conspiracy theory nonesense.

The real Illuminati (and Freemasons) do not show nor act even remotely, suggestively or obviously in public. You would never know who is a member because they act and look like any other citizen. They only become Illuminati in their own environment not with society. JayZ and Kanye's symbol making you often see in photo opt is not what a real Illuminati would do. Who knows, they probably are in some sort of their own group they form but surely it is not THE Illuminati that is known throughout history.

I got hook on Lady Gaga's songs from listening to it not watching her videos. the hidden messages you claim that's in her video, did not make me a fan of her music .... it is her catchy songs that made a fan out of me.
 
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not denying the Illuminati dont exist but pop culture and rock have been using their symbols as long as i can remember (Blue Oyster Cult, Ozzy, Alice Cooper, LedZep...) the music industry loves using it.. because it's cool? it's appropriate to the song being sung? cool to the singer/s or band's image? whatever it is they've glamourized it for years.

years ago in the 70's and 80's for instance the rampant usage of dark magic, hidden messages in vinyls when played backwards, had the record industry preferably heavy metal accused of this, however, not in so much as saying they're Illuminatis but more like singing about it which led critics accusing said singers of practicing such cult...so this Illuminati symbolism and hidden messages in videos and/or songs is nothing new.

anything that will sell to the public has some sort of hidden messages to get the consumer's attention to get interested and buy (ex. Lady Gaga's video). it's harmless, unless, you delve into it deeper to the point of being a conspiracy theory nonesense.

The real Illuminati (and Freemasons) do not show nor act even remotely, suggestively or obviously in public. You would never know who is a member because they act and look like any other citizen. They only become Illuminati in their own environment not with society. JayZ and Kanye's symbol making you often see in photo opt is not what a real Illuminati would do. Who knows, they probably are in some sort of their own group they form but surely it is not THE Illuminati that is known throughout history.

I got hook on Lady Gaga's songs from listening to it not watching her videos. the hidden messages you claim that's in her video, did not make me a fan of her music .... it is her catchy songs that made a fan out of me.

I never said you were denying the existence of the illuminati. I didn't say anything remotely near that. My last quote was regarding the situation, not the group. The fact that the symbolism has been used since the 70's/80's etc - an overabundance of it at that is great but it hasn't been so strategicly placed, so hidden, unacknowledged and yet so obvious - for a reason. We are not talking Marilyn Manson here, we are talking mainstream artists. Of course any Tom, Dick, and Harry who wakes up feeling a little rebelious can rock out to some KISS, walk around in black, and preach a quickie to the devil. What I am talking about is unrelated. These members are anonymous etc etc. I mean, really? That's neither here nor there, influence is strategic in these situations. That doesn't mean the heads are going to come out with signs and form picket lines around churches.

An example of the hidden messages - completely unrelated to "APPEARING COOL AND ROCK-STAR-ISH"


The Omarion Icebox video.

The actual song is about Omarion not being able to control his anger towards his girlfriend due to bad experiences in the past. He claims that he has “an icebox where his heart used to be”, which means that he feels dead inside. Timbaland ensues by saying “I’m so cold, I’m so cold, I’m so cold“, which further confirms the concept of death. But, as you can see in the video, he’s not really devoid of life, as he is singing and dancing. He has however been traumatized by past experiences who make him feel emotionally and spiritually dead. During the whole song and video, Omarion communicates a sense of tension, confusion and despair. The video then depicts how his symbolic death is an occasion for him to turn to an evil entity which will initiate him to satanic forces and apparently soothe his pain.

In all spiritual initiations, whether they are good or evil, the candidate has to symbolically die to then experience a rebirth with his new faith. In the song Omarion claims that he is dead, and thus he is ready to be reborn. The video of the song has absolutely nothing to do with relationships and everything to do with an initiation process where a troubled Omarion decides to pledge alliegance with Satan. Here’s the video:

The video starts off with a shot of Omarion with a giant clock. During the various shots of it, the time is always the same: a minute to midnight. This time is very significant. First, it symbolizes the coming of a new day and of a new beginning. Secondly, midnight has also been associated with the spiritual realm and the supernatural world.


A minute to midnight


“It was believed that at midnight the invisible worlds were closest to the Terrestrial sphere and that souls coming into material existence slipped in during the midnight hour”. -Manly P. Hall, Secret Teachings of all Ages

In occult sciences, it is known fact that contacts with entities populating the etheric world have the most chances of succeeding at midnight. So in the video, the time is 11:59 and Omarion is tense as if he is expecting something significant to happen. Several visual clues express the spiritual nature of the singer’s struggle. The front of his jacket bears a Christian cross and he is also shown assuming the classical position for christian prayer.
Prayer position

And then it happens.
First Contact with Evil Entity

Omarion is sitting and apparently talking to an empty chair. Subtlety hidden in the decor of his house is the true object of worship. Did you notice it?

Once again, Baphomet, the occult figure that appears on the sigil of the Church of Satan, appears in a pop song. Under it is a pyramid which has also an esoteric meaning.
Baphomet idol hanging on the wall

So the time is a minute to midnight, Omarion is disturbed, he sings to an empty chair and he has an idol of Baphomet hanging on the wall…what do you think happens next? An evil entity appears out of thin air in the form of an attractive woman.
Solange (Beyonce’s sister) is dressed in black and looking pretty devilish. She sits on the empty chair Omarion was singing to, as if he was invoking her. Then Omarion gets up and pledges his allegiance to Satan by turning around and flashing the huge face of Baphomet on the back of his jacket, while raising his hands in the air.


Pledging his allegiance with big face of Baphomet on jacketHe then turns around and Solange, the Evil Entity has disappeared. This confirms the fact that this character isn’t human, but a personification of an etheric entity which can appear and disappear at will.
The Initiation

The entity then reappears outside of Omarion’s house so he can follow her to grim looking woods, which will be the site of his initiation.
There Solange disappears again and evil looking characters appear in the woods and circle him. He gets symbolically “beaten down” by the group and apparently tortured by their icy breath (judging by the expression of pain on his face).


Satanic initiationHe then jumps in the air with a couple of Olympic team style spins, symbolizing the end of his initiation and his spiritual “lift-off”.
The Mentor

When then see Omarion walking on an abandoned path when his mentor, Timbaland, appears in the backseat of a white luxury car. Timbaland is being chauffeured by an unknown entity. He is already initiated and he will guide the new initiate Omarion in his new life. When Timbaland talks, the window of the car gets frosty, symbolizing the cold and non-human nature of his character.
Timbaland as the Mentor with the same frosty breath as the spirits in the woods


When Omarion sees the car he gets ecstatic, dancing like he never danced before. He finally kneels in front of it knowing that this car is the vehicle for his “satanic salvation”.
When he enters the car, his clothes magically change to a white suit which is similar to the Mentor’s. This signifies Omarion’s acceptance into the Cult and the fact that he has become the Mentor’s protégé. Timbaland then taps the shoulder of the unknown driver, which will be, from now on his spiritual chauffeur.

The video ends with a shot of Omarion still sitting in his house, which tells the viewer that all of those events happened in his head. They were all symbolic scenes that represented the spiritual switch that happened inside Omarion’s soul.


I suppose all this is coincidental. Shall I present to you more examples of the hidden messages?

Vigilant
 
So you see, we are debating two different ideas. You are presenting the idea that the BLATANT worshipping of satan has been a part of rock and roll for years and it's just what was the cool thing to do back then - image-wise.

I don't dispute this.

I am presenting a very different reality to you. The reality that these symbols are being displayed in a blatantly hidden nature - if that even makes sense. Blatant to those who can easily recognize them, hidden to those who simply believe they are watching a cool video. If they are hidden to the average fan, why hide them in the first place? They are not even being ackknowledged. It's important to remember this. They are not being acknowledged.
 
Baphomet and Beyonce - just hanging out.


Baphomet in Gagas paparazzi video hanging on the wall:


So thats Omarion, Beyonce, Gaga who have a newfound interest in satanic symbols - an unlikely choice. Yet the symbol itself is consistently hidden.
 
I will begin to study the symbolism of the Illuminati and put generous portions of it into my small photo shoots and fashion shows...it looks really cool!!!:lol:

I am only a casual film fan,so when I watch movies with hardcore film students they seem to get so much more out of the "symbolism and "referances" than I do.....

Same goes with fashion though....my friends latest girlfriend is 100% fashionista and we literally had a two hour conversation about designers and no one else knew what the hell we were talking about!!! :p

As for being a "hater" you did a lot more than just find her "distasteful" you should go back and read your "rant"

As for Miss Lady Gaga.....her team should try to hide the Illuminati symbolism a little more.....the game is much more fun when you have to "look a little harder",but don't get me wrong the "find the Illuminati symbolism" is fun!!!:lol:

As for the "Illuminati".....I want to join.....better to reign in hell!!!!!:lol::lol::lol:
 
^^ first off me saying "not denying Illuminati exist..." did not mean you said i was denying it.

anyhoo... my understanding is that there are directors for music videos who interpret what the story line will be and incorporate that to the song. perhaps, they all have that same director... ?

symbols can be interpret many ways. it's the person who does his own interpretation. that's how the director wants it. the same with photographers shooting an editorial...in fashion. pretty much the same concept.

whether or not these artists uses or is fascinated with satanic symbols , the thing is if they practice it , thats a concern. but this is pop music, rap, hip hop which the music industry have been known to use such symbols in music pertaining to the song or the direction of the video. if that makes sense.

From what Beyonce is wearing Naomi had worn similar at a Versace Fashion Show years back....

i dont know you really delved into it too much when it might not be anything at all.

i think the fans gravitate to their song because they like it nothing more nothing less. majority dont look for symbols hidden or not hidden. that's my interpretation of it

ETA:
AH HAA! I think i solved the Illuminati Music Conspiracy... the video music director is a member! lol
 
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What a big ****ing coincidence that MTV had a show she JUST happened to be on and then later MTV would be one of the things that helped her reach stardom. She's a total fake, an image, and anyone who falls for it is gullible.

ok edit so I didn't read the last few pages I see you guys are discussing the Illuminati, which yes of course exists. I would suggest typing "jay z mason" in youtube and see for yourself...music industry is controlled by "them". If you don't want to believe it, then congrautlations, you're doing exactly what they want you to do.
 
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^^^That's what just about the last 5 pages were about,nobody's falling for anything.....she's just a pop star who has catchy tunes.....get over yourself
 
there will always be a higher echelon in every industry, but the power that holds the key to success (entertainment industry) is the fan base
in the World Economy, however, is another story....:innocent:
 
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What a big ****ing coincidence that MTV had a show she JUST happened to be on and then later MTV would be one of the things that helped her reach stardom. She's a total fake, an image, and anyone who falls for it is gullible.

ok edit so I didn't read the last few pages I see you guys are discussing the Illuminati, which yes of course exists. I would suggest typing "jay z mason" in youtube and see for yourself...music industry is controlled by "them". If you don't want to believe it, then congrautlations, you're doing exactly what they want you to do.

congratulations, you are doing exactly what the youtube conspiracy theorists want you to do.....
 
. She's a total fake, an image, and anyone who falls for it is gullible.

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Just like Agyness Deyne. Total fakery. Marketed by the Brits. But at least the person behind Lady Ga Ga is a talented singer/songwriter.
:innocent:
 
^^^ why would you even dignify that comment with a response???.....anyone who doesn't think it's complete image is gullible,to bad there's only like 5 of them.....we already got past this.....
 
Oh my god my mother has a necklace with a goat head...baphomet? Maybe my mother is an Illuminati!! :rolleyes:
 
^^ first off me saying "not denying Illuminati exist..." did not mean you said i was denying it.

anyhoo... my understanding is that there are directors for music videos who interpret what the story line will be and incorporate that to the song. perhaps, they all have that same director... ?

symbols can be interpret many ways. it's the person who does his own interpretation. that's how the director wants it. the same with photographers shooting an editorial...in fashion. pretty much the same concept.

whether or not these artists uses or is fascinated with satanic symbols , the thing is if they practice it , thats a concern. but this is pop music, rap, hip hop which the music industry have been known to use such symbols in music pertaining to the song or the direction of the video. if that makes sense.

From what Beyonce is wearing Naomi had worn similar at a Versace Fashion Show years back....

i dont know you really delved into it too much when it might not be anything at all.

i think the fans gravitate to their song because they like it nothing more nothing less. majority dont look for symbols hidden or not hidden. that's my interpretation of it

ETA:
AH HAA! I think i solved the Illuminati Music Conspiracy... the video music director is a member! lol


1) Re: your last little comment, I don't get it?

2) You're just stating the same thing over and over again.

The amount of ignorance on the matter is astounding. If someone doesn't want to believe it, they just wont - there's nothing I can say that would prove otherwise. So I concur, everything is a giant coincidence, none of it is significant. The highest powers in the world are there by accident and have no plans to grow in power. You're not being brainwashed. Gaga is soooOo cool.

/end.
 
Someone should send a tfs invite to David Icke:

At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax. In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.

Although he's fond of using pop videos on his website to back up his messages, so maybe they've got to him too.
 
1) Re: your last little comment, I don't get it?
my last statement is just that... "Agyness Deyn" persona was concocted by her agency. Laura Hollins was not like that or at least that outrageous with hair and clothes.
she wasn't a model's model. heck, she was just a plain old British girl who was transformed into such a "cool hip figure" that will grace the catwalk and glossy. similar concept with Lady GaGa persona. but the woman behind Lady GaGa is actually talented in her profession whereas, the girl behind Agyness was transformed, manufactured. Fortunately for Laura she did quite well surprisingly, because she got fans to fall for the image.
 

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