Q&A: Mickey Rourke uncut
November 24, 2011
By Neala Johnson
MICKEY Rourke stars as the baddest of all bad guys in the new swords 'n' sandals epic Immortals. Here he talks about everything from rugby to scumbags to title fights.
What is happening in Mickey Rourke world?
>> Right now I'm eating a cheeseburger.
Will that keep you happy?
>> For now. Until the sun goes down.
What happens then?
>> Heh. All hell breaks loose.
You seem to have been one of the busiest actors in the movie business over the past couple of years. Has it felt that way to you?
>> Not really, I took a year off to do some writing right after
Immortals, so I feel well-rested now.
What have you been writing?
>> The Gareth Thomas story, about the rugby player. The more research I did and the more writing I did I realised I've gotta take a whole year off to train for it before I even think about doing it. So it took me several months to write the script and we've been in training for the last six months.
When will you start shooting?
>> Hopefully, end of March. It's called
The Beautiful Game.
How does an American get so interested in a rugby story?
>> It all happened one night when I was in London promoting something and I ended up in a bar at 4 in the morning and met these four guys that played for Huddersfield. We were arm-wrestling, I tore my ligament, this guy, he was a front-row guy, he was just huge! We became friends, we kept in contact.
They gave me a magazine about their team and there happened to be an article in there about Gareth Thomas. Then a few months later there was a sports show on TV and they were talking about Gareth coming out of the closet and I thought, ‘F---, that would make a great movie'. I flew over to Wales, introduced myself and said, ‘I wanna do your story'.
Are you going to do a Welsh accent?
>> Yes, unfortunately (laughs). That's gonna take three months or four months ... That's gonna be part of the ground work.
What's going to harder – the accent or the physical side of the role?
>> Well, right now the physical thing is harder than I thought it was going to be. We've scheduled about 15 days of rugby in the movie and I'm just trying to get fit enough that I can do several things: running 30 metres at full speed ... Oh God. I actually moved my trainer into living with me now.
Alongside that, you also have a big fight scene in your latest film, Immortals. While doing these things, do you find yourself thinking, ‘I'm too old for this crap'?
>> I thought I was too old for this crap 10 years ago! Are you kidding? When I was 27, I got my first grey hairs in my beard and I was furious. And I was thinking, ‘F--- this man, we're not young for very long! It's all f---ing downhill in such a short period of time'. And (in October), Gareth announced his retirement.
I sent him a text and said, ‘Well, the first part is a lot of fun, the second half is less painful'. So I guess that applies to, you know, the second half.
Which half are you in now?
>> I'm in the fourth quarter! (Laughs) I'm in overtime.
You've got a big birthday coming up next year. How do you feel about 60?
>> No, we're not going to talk about that. I'm disgusted with it.
It's only a number.
>> Yup. Yeah right. Listen, I didn't like the birthday 20 years ago so let's ... F--- that.
So when you're presented with a role these days, do you have to really think about what it will require of you physically?
>> I have to say, ‘This will be this much work', because the way I work, I put my all into it and I grind it out really hard. So I have to pick and choose because I won't be at my all for everything, you know. This rugby, it'll probably be the most passionate and best movie I ever make in my life.
Has there been a film before this one that you've felt that way about?
>> No. This is it for me. It's all or nothing, the chips are all on the table. This is the last time that you'll see Mickey Rourke sprint 30 metres.
We hope – you haven't done it yet!
>> Oh no, we've been training for six months. We are gonna do it. I've got my trainer sitting here glaring at me now – making me eat a cheeseburger without the bread. He's relocated from Miami to New York so he's with me 24/7. He's the first thing I see in the morning ... (To his trainer) That's right, ‘thing', motherf---er. Tattooed, steroid motherf---er (laughs).
You've famously made this comeback in movies. When things started to turn around for you, were you clear what you wanted to do with your second chance?
>> I had clear in my mind that I couldn't behave the way I did, I had to be accountable for my actions and s--- that I said or some people I associated with. Because there are repercussions and in the old days I didn't give a f--- about repercussions. But when I was out of work for 12-13 years, it was a lonely, f---in' pathetic, ugly place to be. It would have been better if they just woulda just shut the lights off. Because it's better to have never been something than to have been something and just lose it. Especially in LA where it's a town built on envy and they can't f---in' wait to grind you into the cement. My point of view was, you know what, I'm gonna tell these motherf---ers when it's over, they're not gonna tell me. But I had to change a lot of my ways, I had to become something else, rather than what I turned myself into.
Did you believe if you'd turned yourself into that, you could turn it back around the other way?
>> Yeah, but it was equally as hard to take off the armour. It's like my shrink would say to me, 'Mick, there's no war goin' on, you're fighting it all by yourself. It's all in your head. You should have been born 200 years ago'.
You should have been a Greek god.
>> (Laughs) I have my nights.
Do you still find anyone is cautious about casting you?
>> Oh absolutely! Abso-f---in'-lutely. I just dealt with this scumbag producer from England on a movie where he wanted to treat me like a f---in' slave. I say, ‘F--- you', you know. I said, ‘What the f--- have you done?' I think he got a little bit of acclaim for something and I said, ‘Well take your arty farty to somebody else, this is the wrong train'.
The director of Immortals, Tarsem Singh, says he didn't direct you.
>> He did in his own way. What can I say, ‘Let him feel that?' No (laughs). He did. He's very smart. I would do something and then he would come over and it would be an adjustment and it would elevate my choice or my performance to another level. I think he brought the best out of me because he knew exactly what he wanted. If I made a choice that might not have been the best choice, he was full of really great ideas.
Some actors who have worked with you say they love the challenge of trying to keep up with the curveballs you're throwing them. Do you realise that is happening?
>> I think some of them talk about it but then when it actually happens they freeze. Or s---. Everybody wants the championship fight but you've gotta do the roadwork otherwise you're gonna get knocked flat on your ***. So if you're in shape, bring it, come on, let's see what you're made out of.
Who's the last actor you got on set with that you had to keep up with in that way?
>> De Niro was very concentrated actor. Eric Roberts, very talented actor. And there was a young kid who was really a very brave actor – he died, he OD'd, I forget his name – he was a bully, he was very good. God bless his soul. Not too many.
Do you feel like you're an easy guy to work with?
>> It depends. It depends how much I believe in the project, the director, the other actors. If I have a director like I had on
The Wrestler – like Aronofsky – that pushes you to another level, then I love that. Somebody who's so smart. Tarsem is the same way, but more gentle; he's not a son of a b*tch like Darren is (laughs). But I would work with Darren in two seconds, you know. But it's almost a relief to work with somebody like Tarsem because he is so smart, he is so gentle, he doesn't break you down to where you're just exhausted at the end of the day.
The Darrens and the Tarsems must be harder to find.
>> Yeah, but those are the guys that I wanna work with, that challenge you. Darren elevated me; Tarsem elevated me in a different way. It was two different kinds of movies.
Immortals was more just fun, going to work and having a good time, I didn't take it all that serious, it wasn't that kind of movie. Yet at moments you've gotta work just as hard, like, really.
Was Immortals a different style of filming with the 3D and a lot of green screen and so on?
>> Well that doesn't necessarily ... I think it's the subject matter, what's going on in the moment. Immortals is so far out, you can only personalise it so far.
So your character, King Hyperion, was it like playing a cartoon bad guy?
>> Yeah, but I still deliver the line how I would say it, and make it personal, but there wasn't that much, let's say, emotional stuff on the line, when you had to dig really deep. An emotional investment where like – Darren would say ‘Cut' and I'd still be crying, you know.
Did you come off The Wrestler set just exhausted?
>> Yeah, I had to see the doctor for like three days straight after that movie. The head doctor and the physical doctor. But that's why doing a movie like this I enjoy it to a degree because it's not all that, you don't have to flip out.
You seem to be given a more amazing look with each film you do. How did you feel looking in the mirror as this Immortals character?
>> Well I had a little bit to do with that, Tarsem had a little bit to do with that. I like movies where I can almost hide ... especially if I don't like the movie, they don't know it's me then (laughs).But I got a kick out of this one, so it was nice. We had a lot of clever people around, you know the wardrobe lady worked two years on the wardrobe, the sets were beautiful, Tarsem's a very visual shooter. So I did my performance and because they add so much to the movie, it's like taking a sip of water and there's all this s--- going on.
Do you feel like a tiny piece of a giant puzzle on a film like that?
>> Absolutely. Yeah. This kind of movie, I don't know if I would have done the movie – I don't think so – if it wasn't Tarsem. I just don't wanna do some 3D piece of crap, you know. At least if I'm gonna do something like this, let me work with the best guy and smartest group of people that are around.
Henry (Cavill) was very hard working, he was really into it, doing his push ups and flying around. And a very nice kid, gentleman. And I met Freida (Pinto) before and I like her, respect her, she's interesting, good person. So there wasn't any scumbags around, so there was no problems.
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