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*032c.comWhat about the Asian market?
It’s not a market I know as well, but their approach was similar to the Americans. They began by requesting the lower priced items, but in the end they also wanted the robust pieces. It’s not El Dorado as everyone says. It’s amazing to think you can address such massive audiences, but at the same time I’d like to start by communicating to those who are able to understand the brand and spread the right message. I think people are moving too fast. We should take time with Asia, and avoid provoking rapid consumption that leads to cheapened, quickly obsolete brands. Many labels have gotten mired there and it’s dangerous. There has to be a sort of apprenticeship phase, where we talk about how things are made, about luxury in the Western sense. It’s a bit of a cultural shock. The “flowers” collection did well, but so did the “punk”. It’s still mysterious.
To understand where we are in fashion today, you have to understand the history of Western fashion and of course Asia has different references. For example, in China, for complex reasons, there is little historical sensibility. History is fabricated in the way the French have always reconstructed the Ancien Régime.
Yes, novelty there seems to trump any idea of conservation. It’s easier to destroy and start again, then to restore.
Seeing an archival Balenciaga dress next to one of your creations has to have a completely different effect in that context. The way you work with materials seems to be a way of counteracting wannabe luxury with non-luxury, which in the end revitalizes the industry’s end game.
Luxury is the art of transformation, handling, and adding value to even the most commonplace material. You are right, it’s a message that is harder to communicate in Asia. But the big question about the Asian market now is “does everyone want to look alike?” We’re told they want the safety of uniformity, so when something clicks, apparently they’ll all want it, like with the Japanese. But, at the same time, we are told that they’ve had enough of repressive codes and are seeking individuality. I couldn’t tell you what’s really happening.
Do you look at Japanese designers, like Rei Kawakubo and Junya Watanabe; there are clear resonances in their work.
Of course – with almost every season they open doors to new possibilities. Without resorting to plagiarism, these designers are really models to which one can aspire. At the same time, they’ve dipped into a fashion’s shared heritage. We can identify ourselves in their work because of a totally idiosyncratic use of that heritage, from Chanel to 60s Balenciaga for example, and at the same time because the way they handle it takes us to new horizons. They give us a sharper and more discerning eye. Rei Kawakubo is not only exemplary for her uncompromising and radical design but because she really is the queen of merchandising – from leather accessories to the satellite collections. Miuccia Prada also has an amazing knack for merchandising; Prada managed to translate a robust idea into an accessible one. But, Rei Kawakubo is a tremendous businesswoman, in the noble sense. Like Azzedine, it’s inspiring to see that there are several paths to success. They tell us you need so much money to do fashion and luxury, but then again maybe not. Rei Kawakubo obviously has great means now, but it all starts with an individual’s determination and individual perspective. We’re not in the fuzzy realm of finances, corporations, or merchandising where it’s unclear who decides, corporate or creative. Of course Miuccia Prada and Patrizio Bertelli are a very effective duo. Rei Kawakubo works with her husband, but it’s fundamentally a creative vision. It’s all very encouraging for someone just getting started.
What would you advise young designers today?
Be self-reliant but also understand how to secure financing and organize logistics. It’s particularly true in France, where entrepreneurship is discouraged in comparison to the rest of the world, and yet our cultural values inspire enterprising by sheer contrast. That’s probably why we pay dearly for success here. Stay true to your identity; know how to figure things out yourself; don’t get stuck at roadblocks; and get a rounded education, which I no doubt lacked in matters of business. You have to be all-terrain.
As a young designer, you took an unmistakably unique approach to retail expansion at Balenciaga, not surprisingly. Your New York store for example shifted the traditional context of luxury retail to a gallery setting, in an emerging arts district. Your L.A. store picks up on the same idea. What was your strategy?
Comme des Garçons was already on West 22nd Street in Chelsea. But, it all started with Paris, where we wanted to take a stance against globalization, the game of having the same dress at a moment’s notice all over the world. While Prada, Gucci, and everyone else were deploying carbon-copy stores everywhere – Prada shifted of course – Dominique Gonzalez-Foerster and I wanted our boutiques to be varied, to integrate the local urban context. Starting with Avenue George V in Paris we rejected the idea of a standard reproducible display so you might have different experiences, like going to a local museum or a restaurant when you travel. At that time, Balenciaga was with Gucci Group. They found a very lovely space on Madison Avenue. “You’ll be very happy”, they said, since it’s surely a fantasy for a designer to have a store on Madison. I remember when I walked into the location, I immediately spouted, “I’ll never show my clothes here!” It just wasn’t for me, especially not for our first U.S. location. With some assistance, I found a couple of old warehouse spaces in Chelsea that I showed the executives. Domenico De Sole was the CEO of the group at the time and he rather brilliantly agreed to give me the same budget for the space and carte blanche on the design, except that in Chelsea we had 1600 square feet versus 230 square feet on Madison Avenue! Dominique suggested we keep a lot of the rough existing details, and we worked with what he had, which wasn’t so bad. In a year the store was pulling in several million dollars, which far surpassed the projections we had for the Madison Avenue location. It gave me great credibility vis-à-vis the group to continue developing spaces in that vein. The L.A. store is one of the best; it’s incredibly beautiful. It was a 40s timber frame building slated for demolition by the city. We completely re-built it from the inside out, with a plant and mineral garden. London and Milan are great. I have to admit that this saddens me a bit. Dominique has decided not to work for them in the future and I am not sure how the company will handle the stores.
The stores may have been varied, but your identity is crystal clear. They all have an incredible effect of transforming the clothes into alien works of art.
At the time, Dominique refused to play the speculative game of the art market, so she had no gallery representative in New York. We were tickled by the fact that with the store, she gained tremendous presence in the heart of the Chelsea gallery district. Hurricane Sandy unfortunately destroyed the store and I don’t think it will reopen. I am not at all superstitious, but I took it as a sign that I should leave. It was strange. In French we say, ‘Après moi le deluge’.
Going back to Mario Sorrenti and Joe McKenna’s 2001 W photos, plastic surgery lends the models some of their commanding appeal. Do you foresee a future when plastic surgery is part of a designer’s repertoire?
Of course, I am sure of it. Even for big spenders what’s available today is bottom-of-the-line, the standardization of faces. Whenever plastic surgery becomes bespoke, and design enters the equation, it’s a license I’d sign immediately. I’m much more interested by that than a global distributor of down-market clothes. One would have to review the classics and go through a couture phase, for sure. It will be amazing, morphing and transforming the body and inventing new criteria for the body. We’ll have to create a chamber of commerce to oversee everything!
Would you say your interest in smuggling material and cultural trash into the world of high fashion is a form of futurism?
Yes. Historically in fashion, being trashy was being provocative. These elements took on value by the simple fact that it wasn’t clear what value anything had anymore. My work integrates these elements, to ennoble them through the quality of fabrication. Trash is future luxury. For example, the German shepherd graphic was lifted from a fireman’s calendar. We made it in cashmere and created a new icon. I’ve always remixed elements from different aspects of our culture like this. When I did Spring/Summer 2002 with stonewashed patchwork cargo pants, the colors were based on Hollywood Chewing Gum. The pants were stonewashed in a friend’s bathtub and in the washing machine at the office. In France, cargo pants were totally exotic. I wasn’t aware of the connotation they had in the United States, but we transformed them. They became an item people purchased at $1000 each, and we must have sold 2,500 pieces, which was enormous and an immediate success for us. You’d never seen cargo pants like this, a real mixture of high and low.
It reconciles what is possible for some and impossible for others. It’s a utopia. It demonstrates to someone with money that what is popular and amusing can have promise, and for those of limited means, that what they enjoy will one day become luxury, and that’s the direction in which things have always evolved.
Fashion today, because of its unprecedented scale, raises tremendous ecological, social, and economic questions, not to mention creative ones. What goals should the industry set in the coming years to be sustainable on any of these levels?
I think it does start with sustainability and no one has found a solution. No concrete actions have really been taken, whether it’s the sourcing of materials, working conditions, or dying which is incredibly toxic. Some labels have an organic label now, but the chains of supply and production are unmonitored. There’s so much work to be done. It starts with a certain discipline, and we are very far from achieving it. The whole industry is based on timing. The faster the production, the more money comes in. To be sustainable you have to take the time to make it happen. There’s also a huge hypocrisy around out-sourcing and working ethically in other countries, while entire areas have been disenfranchised locally as a result, whether it’s in France, Italy, Spain, or Eastern Europe. It’s not enough to simply have an iconic address. There are fundamental questions to ask and I myself have to be very vigilant. We can all do a little something, but I think we’re all waiting to see which group will pull ahead and lead on this issue. Sustainability is a very taboo topic. I remember being very concerned about a certain product I was developing, because it required substantial manufacturing and packaging. I was extremely concerned. I was told the consumer doesn’t care and neither did the group. It should be moving faster. “What does it mean to be sustainable in fashion?” was the theme of Suzy Menkes’ 2009 luxury business conference in New Delhi, which I attended. My lecture topic was how to reawaken an old house while coming to terms with sustainability. I asked her recently if we shouldn’t reprise the discussion. Fashion weeks are more concerned with visibility then sustainability, that’s for sure.
What does the immediate future look like? Are you considering anything outside of fashion?
It’s been a while since I’ve been in a position to build and visualize an idea – thinking and conceptualizing, doing workshops – without having to materialize it right away. It’s a real pleasure. I am preparing something, but I have choices to make. I will announce something when I am ready. I’ve wanted to do this for a long time. Now is my time to question inter-seasonality – it’s always the opposite season somewhere else in the world – and fashion’s need to be global while respecting the environment and local cultures and of course the usual six-month cycle for collections. I may decide to fulfill that mission again and I’ll enjoy it as I always have. Another part of me, absolutely wants to break these rules. I may be putting myself in danger, but that’s what I want today. I enjoyed years of extreme comfort with Balenciaga. It’s fantastic to harvest that status to explore in new ways, rather then sticking to a routine, even if it was the most comfortable and incredible, I couldn’t be in a better position.